Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

munchkin_utd

actually from a paper....

The Government is set to approve the addition of India, which is in the midst of a devastating surge of Covid infection, to the mandatory hotel quarantine list, alongside Iran.

Mr Donnelly does not need cabinet approval to take the step, but it is thought he will nonetheless inform cabinet colleagues of his intention to expand the list again this morning. Sources indicated several other countries, including Mongolia, may also be included on an expanded list.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/india-and-iran-set-to-be-added-to-mandatory-hotel-quarantine-list-1.4548868

so, no new EU countries mentioned but also no mention of the existing ones being removed

Elsewhere it was mentioned that Ireland still hasn't made up an excuse passed on its experts' reasoning as to why Italy and other EU countries were added to the MHQ list , when of the countries slapped on the list only France is considered to have a (regional) variant problem and other countries have much higher case numbers and are not on the list.

lawred2

lawred2 wrote: »

What is it that you told 'the papers'?

Which papers?

Really? I thought my comment was pretty simple.

Welcome to the thread by the way. It's a big read. He's my comment again

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Yes, even mhq was started the papers stated that the defence forces and private security had no powers of arrest or detention.

I'll shorten it down Mr demanding,

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

lthe papers stated that the defence forces and private security had no powers of arrest or detention.

lawred2

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Really? I thought my comment was pretty simple.

Welcome to the thread by the way. It's a big read. He's my comment again



I'll shorten it down Mr demanding,

It's your composition that needs work not my comprehension

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I already told you and the papers also, no one at the premises will stop them returning to the airport to leave the state

What did you tell "the papers"?

lawred2

lawred2 wrote: »

It's your composition that needs work not my comprehension



What did you tell "the papers"?

Do you still not get it or just trolling because you have no actual input to this issue?

saabsaab

faceman wrote: »

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You keep spouting the same nonsense every time these cases arise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnX5wci404

Daft bringing up these 'hard luck' cases they mean nothing in the overall scheme of things look at India now. Millions sick.

AMIIRISH

Hi all
I'm new to boards so forgive me if I happen to step on anybody's toe I assure you it would not be intentional...With regard to this MHQ I understand the reasoning behind it but is it legal? the reason I ask is that according to the constitution of Ireland Equality before the law
All citizens shall be held equal before the law (Article 40.1 of the Constitution). This means that the State cannot unjustly, unreasonably or arbitrarily discriminate between citizens. You cannot be treated as inferior or superior to any other person in society simply because of your human attributes or your ethnic, racial, social or religious background. Then why is it that "ELITE SPORTS PERSONS" do not have to MHQ.

Also I have it on good authority that some people who arrived into Ireland last Monday with negative PCR-test and tested five days later again having tested negative, have received notification from a contract tracing message to say that they been in close contact of a variant of concern.. This may be due to the fact that when they arrived at passport control they were crammed into a very small area with no ventilation. I believe about 55 people including staff. Has the government not a duty of care to protect these people.

I would be very interested to hear your comments

faceman

saabsaab wrote: »

Daft bringing up these 'hard luck' cases they mean nothing in the overall scheme of things look at India now. Millions sick.

This just gets funnier and funnier.

You know how many are sick in Ireland at the moment? Do you think MHQ has saved the rest of us?

seansouth36

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Do you still not get it or just trolling because you have no actual input to this issue?

I would learn how to write a coherent sentence before criticising the other poster for trolling. Can you not see how bad a writer you are?

FileNotFound

saabsaab wrote: »

Daft bringing up these 'hard luck' cases they mean nothing in the overall scheme of things look at India now. Millions sick.

India relatively speaking is currently experiencing less than 25% the infection rate and about 10% the death rate the UK had at its height.

Sounds huge numbers but then its got 3 or 4 times EU population.

cnbyz

What kind of document do i need to prove that i am fully vaccinated ? I dont want to find out at the border that i should have done x first (e.g notarised translation ?) . The website doesnt go into the details. In Turkey you can download the vaccine card in pdf from the ministry of health website . The document shows what vaccine did you get and dates etc. It also has a QR code on it which takes you to the ministry of health website to verify the information. I really dont want to end up in the MHQ.

Red Silurian

normanoffside wrote: »

Do you even read the article before commenting?

She is already in Ireland, she is trying to leave Ireland to comfort her mother as her father has just died.

And will she be escorted to the airport by security or by the military or are we to just trust that what she says is true?

We took too few precautions and trusted people too much in the past and as a result we had 1,000 deaths in January... I get the feeling we aren't getting the full story here

Red Silurian

cnbyz wrote: »

What kind of document do i need to prove that i am fully vaccinated ? I dont want to find out at the border that i should have done x first (e.g notarised translation ?) . The website doesnt go into the details. In Turkey you can download the vaccine card in pdf from the ministry of health website . The document shows what vaccine did you get and dates etc. It also has a QR code on it which takes you to the ministry of health website to verify the information. I really dont want to end up in the MHQ.

I don't know exactly how you can prove your vaccination but remember you need to make sure you got an EU approved vaccine, Sinovac (one of the Chinese ones) isn't approved in the EU but you may have gotten it if you were vaccinated in Turkey

cnbyz

Red Silurian wrote: »

I don't know exactly how you can prove your vaccination but remember you need to make sure you got an EU approved vaccine, Sinovac (one of the Chinese ones) isn't approved in the EU but you may have gotten it if you were vaccinated in Turkey

Thanks! I am getting the Pfizer vaccine in Turkey

normanoffside

Red Silurian wrote: »

And will she be escorted to the airport by security or by the military or are we to just trust that what she says is true?

We took too few precautions and trusted people too much in the past and as a result we had 1,000 deaths in January... I get the feeling we aren't getting the full story here

According to Niner she can just walk out

mmclo

cnbyz wrote: »

What kind of document do i need to prove that i am fully vaccinated ? I dont want to find out at the border that i should have done x first (e.g notarised translation ?) . The website doesnt go into the details. In Turkey you can download the vaccine card in pdf from the ministry of health website . The document shows what vaccine did you get and dates etc. It also has a QR code on it which takes you to the ministry of health website to verify the information. I really dont want to end up in the MHQ.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2021/si/183/made/en/print

“ ‘certification of vaccination’ means a record or evidence in written or electronic form in the Irish language or the English language, or, where in a language other than the Irish or English language, an official translation into the Irish or English language, that contains the following information:

(a) confirmation that the person to whom the certification refers is a vaccinated person;

(b) the date or dates on which the person was vaccinated;

(c) the body in the state concerned implementing the vaccination programme (howsoever described) on behalf of the state that administered or caused to be administered the vaccination to the person concerned;

NB must be "fully vaccinated" and between 7 & 14 days after that depending on vaccine type

normanoffside

It looks like we might be turning a corner in relation to MHQ

https://twitter.com/NoonanJoe/status/1387064292722282499

Coincidentally at the same time this was announced I got a reply from my FG TD (from the email I wrote 3 weeks ago) saying in no uncertain terms that she has major concerns over the whole system.

CruelSummer

normanoffside wrote: »

It looks like we might be turning a corner in relation to MHQ

https://twitter.com/NoonanJoe/status/1387064292722282499

Coincidentally at the same time this was announced I got a reply from my FG TD (from the email I wrote 3 weeks ago) saying in no uncertain terms that she has major concerns over the whole system.

EU countries and the US were added to this without a second thought. Meanwhile India is still not on our MHQ list?
Putting EU countries on our list is suicide diplomatically, never bite off the hand that feeds you. Especially as at least 70/80% of people in these countries will either be partially or fully vaccinated shortly.
I don’t support the system, it’s inhumane, the recent case of the woman who missed her fathers death in Argentina by being kept as a prisoner in a hotel here is a case in point.

normanoffside

normanoffside wrote: »

Coincidentally at the same time this was announced I got a reply from my FG TD (from the email I wrote 3 weeks ago) saying in no uncertain terms that she has major concerns over the whole system.

And I'm sure she will do **** all but agreed with you. I'm still waiting to know why people on covid payment for a Christmas bonus but those that work minimum wage jobs didn't.

AMIIRISH wrote: »

Hi all
I'm new to boards so forgive me if I happen to step on anybody's toe I assure you it would not be intentional...With regard to this MHQ I understand the reasoning behind it but is it legal? the reason I ask is that according to the constitution of Ireland Equality before the law
All citizens shall be held equal before the law (Article 40.1 of the Constitution). This means that the State cannot unjustly, unreasonably or arbitrarily discriminate between citizens. You cannot be treated as inferior or superior to any other person in society simply because of your human attributes or your ethnic, racial, social or religious background. Then why is it that "ELITE SPORTS PERSONS" do not have to MHQ.

Also I have it on good authority that some people who arrived into Ireland last Monday with negative PCR-test and tested five days later again having tested negative, have received notification from a contract tracing message to say that they been in close contact of a variant of concern.. This may be due to the fact that when they arrived at passport control they were crammed into a very small area with no ventilation. I believe about 55 people including staff. Has the government not a duty of care to protect these people.

I would be very interested to hear your comments

First off, I'm 100% in agreement that the exemption for Elite sports is a bull**** move. I'm also opposed to mhq.

Now an answer, the courts have held time and time again that when there's a conflict between the rights of one and the rights of many, the one loses. They have touched on this regarding the covid restrictions but not made a definitive judgement. We may never see a definitive judgement as the limits are supposed to end soon.

In regards discrimination, there's 9 accepted grounds of discrimination. None would even be close to relevant on this occasion.

So is it legal? Yes at the moment it seems to be.
It's it moral? That's a personal opinion.

As for contact tracing, that's separate to testing negative at this point. The ten day test will be more conclusive.

Passport control, I'm confused here. You seem to have a grievance that people traveling are in an enclosed area. The government, in fairness has recommended people don't travel unless necessary. The area in question has the same protections as other areas. Masks, sanitiser and social distancing. Staff are behind barriers.

Not sure what else can be done but if the people you refer to where less than 2 meters from others, they weren't standing on the blue dots.

normanoffside wrote: »

According to Niner she can just walk out

Correct. Unless anyone can point out in the legislation where a power of detention by force has been granted to non Gardai under these circumstances?

Red Silurian

normanoffside wrote: »

It looks like we might be turning a corner in relation to MHQ

https://twitter.com/NoonanJoe/status/1387064292722282499

Coincidentally at the same time this was announced I got a reply from my FG TD (from the email I wrote 3 weeks ago) saying in no uncertain terms that she has major concerns over the whole system.

Government ignoring NPHET advice but they'll happy take anti-vax NiAC advice - despite overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary of the latter

Top that with people believing what a Fianna Fail politician says... Have I woken up in hell?

is_that_so

Red Silurian wrote: »

Government ignoring NPHET advice but they'll happy take anti-vax NiAC advice - despite overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary of the latter

Top that with people believing what a Fianna Fail politician says... Have I woken up in hell?

The government response as stated takes into account the EU perspective along with reiterating that it's just about variants. That NPHET are looking at putting all potentially risky countries on a list is a reminder that this has really been their attitude all along to MHQ. It's why FG consistently said No to them last year.

Red Silurian

Red Silurian wrote: »

Government ignoring NPHET advice but they'll happy take anti-vax NiAC advice - despite overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary of the latter

Top that with people believing what a Fianna Fail politician says... Have I woken up in hell?

yes thats part of being a government and seeing the wood from the tree's, its advice,

will nphet solve a 16 Billion tax hole next year too?

reeling in the years on MHQ will have millions scratching their heads in 10 years time.

Feria40

Folks, the EU Digital Green Pass ( or vaccine cert as the Irish media love to incorrectly call it) is up for vote by MEP's today. Fingers crossed ��

munchkin_utd

Feria40 wrote: »

Folks, the EU Digital Green Pass ( or vaccine cert as the Irish media love to incorrectly call it) is up for vote by MEP's today. Fingers crossed ��

it'll be approved

the unfortunate Greeks and Spanish dont have the safety net of harbouring major multinationals and letting them essentially smugle 100s of billions out of the EU every year, taking a cut of about 10billion for yourself , not to mention the associated jobs, which Ireland has

They really need the tourism cash and the jobs it generates.
Ireland though seems to not need the approx 7 billion a year in turnover generated by foreign incoming tourism (or is that just the perspective of someone on a 6 figure salary for life in the medical system that is calling the shots?)

It was missed by the irish media late last spring that the Italian prime minister threatened to initiate Italys exit from the EU if travel arrangements in support of the tourism industry couldnt be organised and agreed on. And thats italy who actually have a proper indigineous industrial base, so they arent as reliant on tourism as the likes of Greece or Portugal.

Ireland is unique in Europe that they REALLY dont give a sh1te about the tourism industry, so regardless of whats done by the MEPs , dont be surprised if Ireland is also unique in struggling to implement the Green pass in time.

is_that_so

Our focus this summer seems to be on local tourism only so what's going on in Europe is not all that relevant. Equally the risk of a country suddenly ending up on the red list will give people pause. Ultimately it depends on just how long the MHQ system remains in place.

Feria40

is_that_so wrote: »

Our focus this summer seems to be on local tourism only so what's going on in Europe is not all that relevant. Equally the risk of a country suddenly ending up on the red list will give people pause. Ultimately it depends on just how long the MHQ system remains in place.

For sure, what happens in Europe is irrelevant.

We are just members after all :pac:

Lmkrnr

If the UK keeps getting the vaccines out and the case's come keep coming down then it will be a nice place to visit. Lots to see and do from sporting events to theme parks. It all boils down to the vaccine roll out here tho.

is_that_so

Feria40 wrote: »

For sure, what happens in Europe is irrelevant.

We are just members after all :pac:

Not all that relevant does not mean irrelevant and there is a context you seem to have skipped.

M_Murphy57

Lmkrnr wrote: »

If the UK keeps getting the vaccines out and the case's come keep coming down then it will be a nice place to visit. Lots to see and do from sporting events to theme parks. It all boils down to the vaccine roll out here tho.

Lots to see and do, better weather than here (certainly in the south of England anyway), indoor dining coming back and the abundance of choice means no price gouging on accomodation.

Their govt also implemented the sensible/easy to follow "eat out to help out" last year, whilst the dopes over here implemented an impossibly complex system involving uploading receipts to the revenue and waiting to get a piddly refund (which had almost no uptake)

No comparison between the 2 for holidays unfortunately.

FF are to blame for destroying the aviation industry and doing almost nothing to make staycation in Ireland seem appealing when faced with literally any other choice.

Red Silurian

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Lots to see and do, better weather than here (certainly in the south of England anyway), indoor dining coming back and the abundance of choice means no price gouging on accomodation.

Their govt also implemented the sensible/easy to follow "eat out to help out" last year, whilst the dopes over here implemented an impossibly complex system involving uploading receipts to the revenue and waiting to get a piddly refund (which had almost no uptake)

No comparison between the 2 for holidays unfortunately.

FF are to blame for destroying the aviation industry and doing almost nothing to make staycation in Ireland seem appealing when faced with literally any other choice.

Some lovely weather down Brighton, Worthing in July and they're just an hour by train to London. A handy tip... There's deals to be had during the the first 2/2.5 weeks of July as the British kids are still in school so demand is low

Red Silurian

Knuckles Kennedy wrote: »

Even nicer weather down in the Med.
Rather than Brighton I'd be getting off the train at Gatwick and heading down to Spain for me holliers.

Yeah but better vaccination rates with less likelyhood of a lockdown in Brighton and almost no chance of the UK being added to the MHQ list

Can't say the same for Spain realistically