Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

Harika

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

5 flights from America coming in tomorrow morning. How are they allowing these flights to come in? All the while telling us to avoid travel.

Such hypocrites.

There could be legitimate reasons for people to fly over from the US, what you have to ask is why the self quarantine is not enforced like it is done in Taiwan, south Korea or Austria where when you are not coming from a green country you get checked on daily and if you are not met at the location you said you would isolate 3000 euro fine.
Btw people in Austria were fined 300 EUR for breaking social distancing rules, what can be seen excessive but seemed to have to work

PhilOssophy

Harika wrote: »

There could be legitimate reasons for people to fly over from the US, what you have to ask is why the self quarantine is not enforced like it is done in Taiwan, south Korea or Austria where when you are not coming from a green country you get checked on daily and if you are not met at the location you said you would isolate 3000 euro fine.
Btw people in Austria were fined 300 EUR for breaking social distancing rules, what can be seen excessive but seemed to have to work

Sure we had fines of 3k for going more than 5k.....just another stupid Irish unenforced law

MickeyLeari

whomitconcerns wrote: »

Maybe they are here more than 14 days? Maybe they moved to Ireland? Maybe they have had a plethora of tests and dont have it?

Generalisations are useless.

Agree and may well be Irish people in those cars back for good reason.

There are also many non Irish (including EU citizens) who work, live and pay taxes in Ireland who are being tarred with the ‘reckless visitor’ tag when deciding to travel around the country and staycation. Some of those have already been subject to the nastiness whipped up by the media.

MickeyLeari

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

5 flights from America coming in tomorrow morning. How are they allowing these flights to come in? All the while telling us to avoid travel.

Such hypocrites.

Most of which are carrying very few passengers but will carry cargo going back Including medical supplies from Irish based companies for export. Do you want to stop that activity?

Like Greece, we should be doing tests in the airport based on risk but this whipped up frenzy is a disgrace by our media/politicians/NPHET which is frankly an embarrassment.

theological

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Most of which are carrying very few passengers but will carry cargo going back Including medical supplies from Irish based companies for export. Do you want to stop that activity?

Like Greece, we should be doing tests in the airport based on risk but this whipped up frenzy is a disgrace by our media/politicians/NPHET which is frankly an embarrassment.

Doing tests at the airport wouldn't give you a full picture. The incubation period for the virus is about 6 days. If you test someone in that period it is likely that they will test out negative only to have the virus later. The risk is that you give false assurance.

This is why isolation at a minimum is important for those coming from high risk countries. I say at a minimum because I don't believe there should be any flights from high risk countries until the pandemic is managed in those places.

MickeyLeari

theological wrote: »

Doing tests at the airport wouldn't give you a full picture. The incubation period for the virus is about 6 days. If you test someone in that period it is likely that they will test out negative only to have the virus later. The risk is that you give false assurance.

This is why isolation at a minimum is important for those coming from high risk countries. I say at a minimum because I don't believe there should be any flights from high risk countries until the pandemic is managed in those places.

It is a measure to manage risk - people will not travel if they are from another country and face isolation if there is a positive test as is the case in Greece. It is not a silver bullet - that is banning all flights everywhere and putting a border on the island of Ireland. What do you do about a passenger flying via Frankfurt?

Do you want to stop Irish based US companies exporting medical equipment to the US?

faceman

DelaneyIn wrote: »

The saps in the dail will never close the borders. A global pandemic and they’re still allowing people from the worst regions affected enter.

It’s absolute insanity. If it spreads due to people arriving here, those responsible for allowing them entry will have blood on their hands.

Whoa there Ted. Travel isn’t presenting an issue with the spread for the virus for Ireland or other countries in the EU. The more the weeks going on, the more that it’s the case. We can’t compare now with January/February as Farr’s law is very much proven itself. Human behaviours have changed

Speaking from Spain (I’m not on holiday here), borders have been open since 21st June including to the U.K. Despite all the fear particularly around the influx of Brits, all outbreaks of the virus here have not been related to travel by EU visitors. (There are a couple of cases attributed to domestic travel by Spaniards)

That being said Shengen EU isn’t open to USA, Russia, Brazil etc. But Ireland is and we just aren’t seeing an impact. Mostly because people aren’t travelling and human behaviour has changed.

Not trying to be a knob about it, I was also shouting from the rooftops about the US etc. But now for the EU we have over a months worth of data and Ireland has more because our borders aren’t closed.

Travel just isn’t the problem people were expecting.

whisky_galore

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Most of which are carrying very few passengers but will carry cargo going back Including medical supplies from Irish based companies for export. Do you want to stop that activity?

Like Greece, we should be doing tests in the airport based on risk but this whipped up frenzy is a disgrace by our media/politicians/NPHET which is frankly an embarrassment.

Just carry cargo then and essential personnel, not any old gob****e who wants to holiday.

theological

MickeyLeari wrote: »

It is a measure to manage risk - people will not travel if they are from another country and face isolation if there is a positive test as is the case in Greece. It is not a silver bullet - that is banning all flights everywhere and putting a border on the island of Ireland. What do you do about a passenger flying via Frankfurt?

Do you want to stop Irish based US companies exporting medical equipment to the US?

Cargo and people are different.

The US has a high incidence of the virus. Doing tests at the airport and then allowing people to walk around freely when they could be still incubating the virus seems unwise to me.

The same rules should apply to transit passengers. If someone presents at border control from the US on a transit flight at the airport they should be asking for evidence of their flight details to the transit airport and from the transit airport to Ireland surely. They could still be refused entry based on this information.

caveat emptor

#winning

Away With The Fairies

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Most of which are carrying very few passengers but will carry cargo going back Including medical supplies from Irish based companies for export. Do you want to stop that activity?

Like Greece, we should be doing tests in the airport based on risk but this whipped up frenzy is a disgrace by our media/politicians/NPHET which is frankly an embarrassment.

You can make all the excuses, there's Americans here on holiday.

ShineOn7

caveat emptor wrote: »

#winning

"Ours is the greatest curve. It's a magnificent curve"

ShineOn7

'A very real danger': Just 4,000 calls made to 60,000 Dublin Airport arrivals in first two weeks of July

https://www.thejournal.ie/arrivals-dublin-airport-5157639-Jul2020/

Many countries right now when you land: "Install this app, we're going to track you for 2 weeks to make sure you're doing the right thing"

Ireland "Ah! A céad míle failte to you there. Would you mind filling in that form for us there like a good lad. We might be ringing ya to make sure you're following quarentine"

It's a fcuking disgrace and will undo 5 months of sacrifice

Over 180 countries of the over 200 affected by Covid have banned American tourists and our "government" has yet to to even address the issue!

ShineOn7

This comment under that Journal article

So they call you on your mobile!

“ are you staying at the address you gave ?”
“ Yes”
“ ah grand”
“ is that the sound of wind and waves?”
“ No , the back doors open and I’m boiling the kettle”
“ ah, grand, good luck”

Feria40

ShineOn7 wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/arrivals-dublin-airport-5157639-Jul2020/

Many countries right now when you land: "Install this app, we're going to track you for 2 weeks to make sure you're doing the right thing"

Ireland "Ah! A céad míle failte to you there. Would you mind filling in that form for us there like a good lad. We might be ringing ya to make sure you're following quarentine"

It's a fcuking disgrace and will undo 5 months of sacrifice

Over 180 countries of the over 200 affected by Covid have banned American tourists and our "government" has yet to to even address the issue!

When you say many countries.. how many and whom exactly?

I totally agree with the US and Brazil being banned outright along with a handful of others... But beyond that we need to keep some context:

61,000 passengers in the first 2 weeks of July 2020 versus 3,400,000 passengers in the month of July last year.

Air Travel into Ireland has completely and utterly crashed. While it will begin to pick up, it will be a fraction of what is was for some time to come.

We can't close ourselves off, it doesn't work

The_Brood

I think anyone with any kind of decision making power who has decided it is ok for Americans to be coming in needs to go to prison. Of all the horrible decisions all around lately, this one truly takes the cake.

ginoginelli

It's ok. They're fixing it now. The meaningless quarantine form that has to be filled out will have to be filled electronically in a few weeks. Sorted.

whisky_galore

ginoginelli wrote: »

It's ok. They're fixing it now. The meaningless quarantine form that has to be filled out will have to be filled electronically in a few weeks. Sorted.

Jokeshop.

Seems like we are moving on from this now. Finally. Much less in the papers now, and even Pat Kenny has stopped going on about it

Beechwoodspark

So the form will now be completed electronically instead of paper.

No mention of actually following up on phone calls.

Is that the height of the progress made

Feria40

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

So the form will now be completed electronically instead of paper.

No mention of actually following up on phone calls.

Is that the height of the progress made

I think there was mention By MM of a new dedicated call centre.

Not much to be done apart from that. The decision seems to be set that we are not going to fully close up shop.

There will be well in excess of 100,000 arrivals at Dublin airport this month (versus 3.5m July last year), the state simply doesn't have the resources to carry out physical checks on whether or not people are restricting there movements.

Like with anything we can only hope that 95% plus of arrivals (who will be mostly Irish residents) will use their cop on, wear masks and keep their distance from others for a couple of weeks.

Feria40

Feria40 wrote: »

Like with anything we can only hope that 95% plus of arrivals (who will be mostly Irish residents) will use their cop on, wear masks and keep their distance from others for a couple of weeks.

And, despite the nonsense from the keyboard warriors on here, I think most will.

caveat emptor

Did we ever trace even one case to Italian tourists on st Patricks weekend?

Do we think that there really wasn't any transfer of infection.

Holiday makers tend to go home.

No contact tracing necessary.

Handily, no evidence of tourism causing any infection.

It must have got here via the ether.

Fr Tod Umptious

caveat emptor wrote: »

Did we ever trace even one case to Italian tourists on st Patricks weekend?

Do we think that there really wasn't any transfer of infection.

Holiday makers tend to go home.

No contact tracing necessary.

Handily, no evidence of tourism causing any infection.

It must have got here via the ether.

The initial travel related infections were likely as a result of people coming back from places like northern Italy in the weeks before anyone even realised it was in northern Italy.

caveat emptor

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

The initial travel related infections were likely as a result of people coming back from places like northern Italy in the weeks before anyone even realised it was in northern Italy.

If you say so Father.

lawrencesummers

The_Brood wrote: »

I think anyone with any kind of decision making power who has decided it is ok for Americans to be coming in needs to go to prison. Of all the horrible decisions all around lately, this one truly takes the cake.

It’s a government decision that is being taken against this advice of NEPHET. When we have an enquiry into all this down the road that’s what going to be swept under the carpet first.

A Texan can fly here, but we can’t fly there.

Michael Martin showing his lack of spine. It was never going to take long.

PhilOssophy

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It’s a government decision that is being taken against this advice of NEPHET. When we have an enquiry into all this down the road that’s what going to be swept under the carpet first.

A Texan can fly here, but we can’t fly there.

Michael Martin showing his lack of spine. It was never going to take long.

Can't wait for that enquiry, I have no doubt it'll cost €40-50m and be a complete waste of money.........

saabsaab

Flights from higher risk areas should be stopped.


Logic says so..


e.g.



'Only' 10% of cases recently are travel related!

'Only' 150,000 visitors in June/ July this year! (saw on a site recently)


on a rough calculation this implies a 10 to 20 times greater chance that they have covid 19 than the general population!

Feria40

saabsaab wrote: »

Flights from higher risk areas should be stopped.


Logic says so..


e.g.



'Only' 10% of cases recently are travel related!

'Only' 150,000 visitors in June/ July this year! (saw on a site recently)


on a rough calculation this implies a 10 to 20 times greater chance that they have covid 19 than the general population!

That's a big leap to be fair. Give some specific numbers with specific time frame.

Also bear in mind that you could have a cluster of ten cases with the route cause being one individual who came from abroad. The track and trace system will count this as being all travel related if they can tie in a group of infections together

saabsaab

Feria40 wrote: »

That's a big leap to be fair. Give some specific numbers with specific time frame.

Also bear in mind that you could have a cluster of ten cases with the route cause being one individual who came from abroad. The track and trace system will count this as being all travel related if they can tie in a group of infections together

Are you sure? I saw the following quote from the gov website..



'Imported cases only indicates locations where all cases have been acquired outside the location of reporting.'


It may be a bit of a leap as you said but we must remember that this arrived here at all due to travel. Probably involving several separate individuals.