Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

whisky_galore

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I’m well capable of that but you’re completely missing the point. At this time in this situation all foreign visitors should be ran.

By the time they're hiring cars it's already too late.

PhilOssophy

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Back when this all could have made Ireland a Zero Case nation, the Varadkar administration decided to allow flights in from Covid hotspots in N. Italy, thousands to mingle at horse races, and no co-ordination with the UK/NI Govt. no joined up policies, useless!

Apart from detaching the Republic of Ireland from N.I and toeing it out into the middle of the Atlantic until there's a cure for Covid then the genie is out of bottle and we just have to deal with it now.

But even after we allowed those events, etc we got the numbers right down to a point where there were no new case. But since then, we have allowed flights to land from Texas and for Yankee Doodle himself to do whatever he wanted for his holiday here. And then we scratch our heads wondering what happened? It is absolutely ludicrous.

I can't believe Dublin and London can't come to a common approach regarding flights in/out of Dublin and Belfast. It is the only solution to stopping this, it and another lockdown for a few weeks probably to try to stifle it again.

Is it possible that a cohort of the hired cars are actually by people resident in Ireland who want a vehicle/larger vehicle for touring on their "staycation"? Eg a family who own a Ford Fiesta l, but decided to hire a Skoda Octavia Estate for bring family and luggage around on their hone-based holiday.

votecounts

PhilOssophy wrote: »

New Zealand celebrates 100 days without a community transmission. They are not even wearing masks over there.
First thing they did was close the border, and any citizen coming home had to spend 14 days in a govt-managed facility before being allowed to leave it.

If only we could learn those lessons......but no point if old Paddy thinks going to Belfast and flying wherever is a good idea.

what border, the're thousands of kms from the nearest country, can't compare them them to us, with a border on the Island and a CTA with our nearest neighbour

fly_agaric

PhilOssophy wrote: »

But even after we allowed those events, etc we got the numbers right down to a point where there were no new case. But since then, we have allowed flights to land from Texas and for Yankee Doodle himself to do whatever he wanted for his holiday here. And then we scratch our heads wondering what happened? It is absolutely ludicrous.

I can't believe Dublin and London can't come to a common approach regarding flights in/out of Dublin and Belfast. It is the only solution to stopping this, it and another lockdown for a few weeks probably to try to stifle it again.

Eaxctly, we have a small population that lives on an island so it is quite possible to put this "genie back in the bottle" to use the phrase if the politics ever allowed it.

I would not hold my breath but if the costs continue to mount up for ourselves and NI with no vaccine on horizon + no sign of the disease easing off (e.g. by having gone through large enough numbers of susceptible people) you never know.
Until then we should be controlling what we can get a handle on (managing all the points of entry we do have authority over which are effectively wide open for import of new cases, enforcing compliance in workplaces here if needed etc etc).

Tenzor07

PhilOssophy wrote: »

But even after we allowed those events, etc we got the numbers right down to a point where there were no new case. But since then, we have allowed flights to land from Texas and for Yankee Doodle himself to do whatever he wanted for his holiday here. And then we scratch our heads wondering what happened? It is absolutely ludicrous.
I can't believe Dublin and London can't come to a common approach regarding flights in/out of Dublin and Belfast. It is the only solution to stopping this, it and another lockdown for a few weeks probably to try to stifle it again.

Yea after many deaths in care homes and other vulnerable users had died with Covid.
I'm not one to blame a handful of possible U.S tourists when the Genie is out of the bottle with regards to a highly infectious virus. Once it's in the country you can't eliminate it without a cure. Unless you want to detach the country and movie it 1650 miles into the Atlantic as New Zealand is from the next populated country. And we can becoming a completely self-sufficient Island.

PhilOssophy

votecounts wrote: »

what border, the're thousands of kms from the nearest country, can't compare them them to us, with a border on the Island and a CTA with our nearest neighbour

When I said border I meant people entering/exiting the country, I am hoping you didn't need that explained to you.
We have a border and with a bit of foresight from all sides (which is desperately lacking as we lurk along in this crisis) we could say that anybody entering Dublin/Belfast/Larne/whatever has to isolate in a government ran facility, not just allowed off to do as they like without even a follow-up call.
The so-called "Green List" is flawed because it depends on the level of testing and on countries being honest about their cases, aside even from the asymptomatic worry.
I heard on the radio that we are the only European country allowing flights. Is that really true and if so, how are we so stupid as to allow that?

PhilOssophy

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I heard on the radio that we are the only European country allowing flights. Is that really true and if so, how are we so stupid as to allow that?

You heard wrong. Most European countries have banned American tourists, which we have now done. but eu residents and their families can still fly from the USA and there are still flights available. And there is no forcible detention upon arrival. I don’t think you can fly direct from the USA to Germany - that’s the strictest ban

PhilOssophy

Deleted User wrote: »

You heard wrong. Most European countries have banned American tourists, which we have now done. but eu residents and their families can still fly from the USA and there are still flights available. And there is no forcible detention upon arrival. I don’t think you can fly direct from the USA to Germany - that’s the strictest ban

I can't see where they are banned.....

copeyhagen

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I can't see where they are banned.....

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/travel/american-travelers-restrictions-coronavirus.html

yes, we are the only ones. banana republic.

PhilOssophy

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I can't see where they are banned.....

The EU published a new list a few days ago. It applies to schengen and selected others, so ireland was never included in the ban of Americans.

https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/health/coronavirus-response/travel-and-transportation-during-coronavirus-pandemic/travel-and-eu-during-pandemic_en#travel-restrictions

“For all other third countries not on this list, Member States and Schengen Associated countries are temporarily suspending all non-essential travel from those third countries to the EU+ area”

Needless to say, the USA is not on the list, and probably won’t be until they lift their ban on EU travellers. Which I am guessing will not be until after the election and, if Trump wins, then longer

copeyhagen

copeyhagen wrote: »

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/travel/american-travelers-restrictions-coronavirus.html

yes, we are the only ones. banana republic.

Ha, yes, we are in some pretty exalted company there!!

Limpy

Most state's have banned travel incoming from high risk countries. There could be medical or political flights but not holiday flights.

Ireland is doing pretty bad so state's will be asking for mandatory quarentine on arrival, if departing from here.

Its ironic we in the Republic would have to depart from Belfast to avoid quarentine in the next few Weeks.

Yurt2

votecounts wrote: »

what border, the're thousands of kms from the nearest country, can't compare them them to us, with a border on the Island and a CTA with our nearest neighbour

The number one rule of boards is, Ireland must never be compared to anywhere else in any respect when someone makes a point that undermines your argument. We are completely different in every respect. Sui generis Hibernia

Charles Babbage

I think this flyng from Belfast thing will become pointless. Britain now has a rate similar to this island so that isn't really a loophole. In relation to other extrernal countries they'll largely harmonise arrangements. But unless they follow up people it doesn't make much difference

xhomelezz

copeyhagen wrote: »

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/travel/american-travelers-restrictions-coronavirus.html

yes, we are the only ones. banana republic.

Love what's there about Ireland

Authorities are asking nonessential travelers not to visit the Republic of Ireland, but those who do are asked to self-quarantine for 14 days.

We are ASKING

Charles Babbage

Charles Babbage wrote: »

I think this flyng from Belfast thing will become pointless. Britain now has a rate similar to this island so that isn't really a loophole. In relation to other extrernal countries they'll largely harmonise arrangements. But unless they follow up people it doesn't make much difference

I believe the infection rate in Northern Ireland is about a fifth of ours, so we could in theory see them demand a two week quarantine for people or entering a travel ban for non essential travel.

PhilOssophy

2 week quarantine is a load of me asre without it being strictly enforced. Yankee Doodle probably has had his holiday, spread Covid-19 to every establishment he has ate and stayed in and is gone back to the US before there is even a follow-up.
Either enforce it, have a strict quarantine or say no you are not welcome end of story.

Feria40

PhilOssophy wrote: »

2 week quarantine is a load of me asre without it being strictly enforced. Yankee Doodle probably has had his holiday, spread Covid-19 to every establishment he has ate and stayed in and is gone back to the US before there is even a follow-up.
Either enforce it, have a strict quarantine or say no you are not welcome end of story.

If and I accept it's a big IF but if said establishments that Mr Yankee Doodle ate and slept in followed all correct protocol's then surely the chances of onward transmission are pretty slim?

saabsaab

Feria40 wrote: »

If and I accept it's a big IF but if said establishments that Mr Yankee Doodle ate and slept in followed all correct protocol's then surely the chances of onward transmission are pretty slim?

'If'

Alkers

Is there anywhere I can report people I know not to be self isolating following travel abroad? In this instance Dubai - UK - Dublin, all documented on social media

Fr Tod Umptious

Alkers wrote: »

Is there anywhere I can report people I know not to be self isolating following travel abroad? In this instance Dubai - UK - Dublin, all documented on social media

Yeah, sure, the Stasi have a new office on Newtwopothouse in north Cork.

You can report them there.

PhilOssophy

Alkers wrote: »

Is there anywhere I can report people I know not to be self isolating following travel abroad? In this instance Dubai - UK - Dublin, all documented on social media

Of course not, Céad Míle Fáilte to them and their Covid-19......as we lock down parts of the country.

Only in Ireland are we so stupid. Have we asked any American when their flight back is?

faceman

Alkers wrote: »

Is there anywhere I can report people I know not to be self isolating following travel abroad? In this instance Dubai - UK - Dublin, all documented on social media

You want to report someone for not breaking any laws?

copeyhagen

copeyhagen wrote: »

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/travel/american-travelers-restrictions-coronavirus.html

yes, we are the only ones. banana republic.

Flights from Seattle, Chicago and LA due to land in Frankfurt in the next 2 hours

PhilOssophy

German rules:
1.Passengers are not allowed to enter Germany.
This does not apply to:
- nationals of Germany;
- passengers with permanent residence in Germany obtained before Coronavirus (COVID-19) or with a D-Visa issued by Germany;
- husband, wife, child and registered partner of nationals or residents of Germany;
- passengers with evidence that their travel is to perform a professional activity, e.g., commuters, diplomats, nursing staff, food industry personnel, specialists;
- passengers in transit to their home country, if there is no other travel option. The purpose of travel and the entry requirements for the destination and transit countries must be proved;
- US military personnel stationed in Germany and their family members；
- merchant seamen who are going to sign up on board or leave Germany for the purpose of repatriation.

So I don't think Hank can arrive on holidays and say "of course I'll quarantine".....

PhilOssophy

PhilOssophy wrote: »

German rules:
1.Passengers are not allowed to enter Germany.
This does not apply to:
- nationals of Germany;
- passengers with permanent residence in Germany obtained before Coronavirus (COVID-19) or with a D-Visa issued by Germany;
- husband, wife, child and registered partner of nationals or residents of Germany;
- passengers with evidence that their travel is to perform a professional activity, e.g., commuters, diplomats, nursing staff, food industry personnel, specialists;
- passengers in transit to their home country, if there is no other travel option. The purpose of travel and the entry requirements for the destination and transit countries must be proved;
- US military personnel stationed in Germany and their family members；
- merchant seamen who are going to sign up on board or leave Germany for the purpose of repatriation.

So I don't think Hank can arrive on holidays and say "of course I'll quarantine".....

Hank will not be allowed to board by the airline and if he does somehow blag his way on, he'll be turned away at the border. My partner is American and we flew to Switzerland recently for a holiday. We had to carry our marriage certificate and some joint bills, and we had to show them to the staff at the boarding gate, and also to immigration in Switzerland. There is not a chance that she was getting on the flight, or getting into the country without them

But that is being introduced into Ireland now, right? Wasn't that in the news last week?

joseywhales

I'll be pulling in from Boston in the morning, locator in hand, as far as I know they haven't implemented the ban on non-essential travel yet(irishtimes rumoured Friday), I am uncertain whether visiting family is considered essential or not in that circumstance.

joseywhales

joseywhales wrote: »

I'll be pulling in from Boston in the morning, locator in hand, as far as I know they haven't implemented the ban on non-essential travel yet(irishtimes rumoured Friday), I am uncertain whether visiting family is considered essential or not in that circumstance.

If it’s replicating the EU ban, then no. Family visits would not be essential. My experience getting into Switzerland with my American partner made that very clear.

joseywhales

Deleted User wrote: »

If it’s replicating the EU ban, then no. Family visits would not be essential. My experience getting into Switzerland with my American partner made that very clear.

Well the only difference would be having an Irish passport. I am not sure if they will ever ban citizens from returning, the thing is that the virus does not care what passport one has but legally I don't know how they could do that.