Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

PhilOssophy

Tenzor07 wrote: »

To think, Aircraft cabins contain filtered air through Medical grade Hepa filters and Dublin Bus's don't...Definitely don't have to queue for a bus either like you do at an airport.. :rolleyes:

Oh well that's alright then.....since nobody is breathing in anything of the fellow beside/behind/in front of them.....

PhilOssophy

Tenzor07 wrote: »

No, move to China or North Korea.

Thanks, you just proved the last line of the post you quoted.

Tenzor07

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Oh well that's alright then.....since nobody is breathing in anything of the fellow beside/behind/in front of them.....

Yea people hold their breath when on Buss's, Trains and everywhere else that doesn't have a medical grade air filtration systems... Better ban breathing so :rolleyes:

Tenzor07

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Thanks, you just proved the last line of the post you quoted.

Well, off you go so if you like authoritarian rules so much, let us know how your 14 day stay goes..

Was due to travel on a holiday break to Kiev this week. Ryanair is running what I guess is a fairly empty airplane that I won't be on. Going to Kilkenny instead of Kiev, to heck with the loss.

gral6

I think people should quaranitine in the state run facility for 2 weeks after taking a journey on Luas. It is a shame that there is still no control over people taking Luas everyday. Travel related Covid transmitions for sure.

PhilOssophy

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Yea people hold their breath when on Buss's, Trains and everywhere else that doesn't have a medical grade air filtration systems... Better ban breathing so :rolleyes:

Well, people do need to function something in a daily life to get to work, etc but whatever you say....

theological

Deleted User wrote: »

They’re not mutually exclusive, as plenty of our EU peers are illustrating

The rate of infection in Europe is spiking. France and Spain are seeing a huge number of new cases on a daily basis. They are the argument as to why travel should be restricted.

Tenzor07

theological wrote: »

The rate of infection in Europe is spiking. France and Spain are seeing a huge number of new cases on a daily basis. They are the argument as to why travel should be restricted.

Let's stop travel from countries where infections are spiking to and from a country where infections have also been spiking, yea makes perfect sense! :rolleyes:
While we're at it lets keep giving dry clothes to someone who's in the pool for a swim!

Tenzor07

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Well, people do need to function something in a daily life to get to work, etc but whatever you say....

Just as people do when traveling by Aircraft, yeap your right..

theological

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Let's stop travel from countries where infections are spiking to and from a country where infections have also been spiking, yea makes perfect sense! :rolleyes:
While we're at it lets keep giving dry clothes to someone who's in the pool for a swim!

The rate of infection in France and Spain is significantly higher than in Ireland or the UK at the moment. You can see this in ECDC incidence figures.

PhilOssophy

theological wrote: »

The rate of infection in France and Spain is significantly higher than in Ireland or the UK at the moment. You can see this in ECDC incidence figures.

I think at this stage theological, we both need to listen to Mark Twain "Never argue with an idiot. You'll never convince the idiot that you're correct, and bystanders won't be able to tell who's who"

Time to unfollow, thread is on the 2nd/3rd loop of the same arguments. Slán.

Tenzor07

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I think at this stage theological, we both need to listen to Mark Twain "Never argue with an idiot. You'll never convince the idiot that you're correct, and bystanders won't be able to tell who's who"

Time to unfollow, thread is on the 2nd/3rd loop of the same arguments. Slán.

Views expressed are little more than "Theillogical Philosophy" on Travel....

johnire

If air travel is so safe as some on this thread are maintaining then how can the fiasco on the TUI flight from Zante to Cardiff be explained away?
Just asking.......

normanoffside

johnire wrote: »

If air travel is so safe as some on this thread are maintaining then how can the fiasco on the TUI flight from Zante to Cardiff be explained away?
Just asking.......

Well the infected people seem to have all been infected when they boarded the plane.
The proof of whether air travel is sag or not is when they get the results of those that were on the flight with them.

Anyway how is it any different to 7 infected people getting on a bus or a train?

johnire

It’s actually 16 cases and all 200 people on the flight have to self isolate. According to passengers on the flight masks were not being worn correctly and there was no social distancing.

normanoffside wrote: »

Well the infected people seem to have all been infected when they boarded the plane.
The proof of whether air travel is sag or not is when they get the results of those that were on the flight with them.

Anyway how is it any different to 7 infected people getting on a bus or a train?

normanoffside

johnire wrote: »

It’s actually 16 cases and all 200 people on the flight have to self isolate. According to passengers on the flight masks were not being worn correctly and there was no social distancing.

Ok,it doesn’t change my point that the 16 were positive when they got on the flight (would they have been contact traced, tested and showing positive in 4 days when the average incubation period is 4-5 days?).

The proof of whether airplanes are spreaders is if the other passengers got it off them. TBC.

mandrake04

Tenzor07 wrote: »

To think, Aircraft cabins contain filtered air through Medical grade Hepa filters and Dublin Bus's don't...Definitely don't have to queue for a bus either like you do at an airport.. :rolleyes:

HEPA filters are nothing but spin, sure they would be very effective if they were filtering air into individual bubbles but you have to be realistic.

HEPA filters the air coming out of the nozzle, once the air is in the cabin and it hits some sweaty infected cunt 2-3 seats in front it’s going be coming down wind and is no different than being on a bus with its aircon set on fresh air in (as opposed to re-circulate) where it is drawing in air from outside and not recirculating the virus within the bus.

johnmcdnl

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Well, off you go so if you like authoritarian rules so much, let us know how your 14 day stay goes..

Add Australia and New Zealand to your list of authoritarian ran states along with China and North Korea with 14 day quarantines for people returning to the country.

It also doesn't make sense to say 'off you go' because those countries wouldn't let the other poster in, with them no being citizens in the first place :rolleyes:

Diarmuid

theological wrote: »

The essence of my argument is that international travel is a significant cause of spread of coronavirus even if only 3% of cases are directly because of travel. Those 3% could account for many more cases if they are out in the community.

The R0 in Ireland is about 1. So even if you theory was correct, the 3% travel would at most mean another 3% of community transmission. Not the "many more".

Diarmuid

johnire wrote: »

If air travel is so safe as some on this thread are maintaining then how can the fiasco on the TUI flight from Zante to Cardiff be explained away?
Just asking.......

The exception that proves the point. The fact that one flight in months, in all of the UK and Ireland made the headlines shows how few cases are as a result of travel

I think that this thread is literally the only place that people are still talking about international travel

munchkin_utd

Deleted User wrote: »

I think that this thread is literally the only place that people are still talking about international travel

in ireland theres been 70 cases in a fortnight related to travel, nearly 1500 non travel related.

so yep, travel is definitely the issue !!!!

theological

munchkin_utd wrote: »

in ireland theres been 70 cases in a fortnight related to travel, nearly 1500 non travel related.

so yep, travel is definitely the issue !!!!

This chestnut has already been explained. If you exclude the people they go on to infect and if you're only counting people directly infected when abroad you'd be right but it is a bad measurement.

I guess in March or April that statistic also would have shown very few people infected directly through travel even when we know the virus was introduced through travel.

My only worry is that the same mistake will be made again now.

Tenzor07

munchkin_utd wrote: »

in ireland theres been 70 cases in a fortnight related to travel, nearly 1500 non travel related.
so yep, travel is definitely the issue !!!!

Wasting your time explaining the facts to these sorts of people, they have a little wet dream about Ireland being New Zealand and that we should pull up the drawbridge until there's a vaccine or zero cases for 100 days, total fantasists!

DebDynamite

munchkin_utd wrote: »

in ireland theres been 70 cases in a fortnight related to travel, nearly 1500 non travel related.

so yep, travel is definitely the issue !!!!

Or how many of those 1500 cases were infected by those 70 related travel cases?

The clusters in the meat factories started off when we were at one of our lowest levels of cases per day. If the virus was barely out there in the community, why or how did it suddenly take off in meat factories? I would imagine there was definitely cases of workers flying home for their summer holidays, contracting the virus but not knowing it as they were asymptomatic, not doing the 14 day isolation (as who wants to use two week’s annual leave when you don’t have the option to work from home), and going back to work and infecting their colleagues.

Meat factories had been open all along, why did we only start seeing clusters pop up all over the place once Europe opened up again to international travel?

munchkin_utd

DebDynamite wrote: »

Meat factories had been open all along, why did we only start seeing clusters pop up all over the place once Europe opened up again to international travel?

Clusters happen when the virus gets the chance to spread, so in your case a cold environment that preserves the virus for longer than normal, matched with substandard air condtioning filters (if any!), matched with suspect living conditions.

Similarly, take a load of young ones in a house having the craic, windows closed, sharing glasses, playing beer pong, you'll similarly create perfect conditions for a cluster.

But, as you point out you need someone to introduce it to these settings.

So, if theres 30 cases per 100k of population in Ireland, and 30 cases per 100k of population in say the UK, is someone who goes on holiday in Ireland more or less likely to introduce the infection into the meat plant than someone holidaying in the UK ?

The answer is that its the same, and if the rate is a little lower or higher abroad, its can be still considered as the same.

What IS a problem is if that person goes from Ireland with its 30 cases per 100k to say Spain with 200+ cases, or especially Madrid which is higher than that again.
Thats the issue, going to places which increase your chances substantially of catcing the virus, but not travel per se.

Diarmuid

munchkin_utd wrote: »

in ireland theres been 70 cases in a fortnight related to travel, nearly 1500 non travel related.

so yep, travel is definitely the issue !!!!

It was the bogeyman for official Ireland for a month so half of boards were bending over backwards to explain how many grannies were being killed by international travel. Now that the bogeyman had moved into other targets, the resident experts have also moved on

fly_agaric

Diarmuid wrote: »

It was the bogeyman for official Ireland for a month so half of boards were bending over backwards to explain how many grannies were being killed by international travel.

"Official Ireland" usually means the government, important politicians, leaders of the public sector, journalists, union heads, bosses of largest companies in Ireland etc doesn't it? I don't think that covers Joe Duffy callers or social media users!

saabsaab

DebDynamite wrote: »

Or how many of those 1500 cases were infected by those 70 related travel cases?

The clusters in the meat factories started off when we were at one of our lowest levels of cases per day. If the virus was barley out there in the community, why or how did it suddenly take off in meat factories? I would imagine there was definitely cases of workers flying home for their summer holidays, contracting the virus but not knowing it as they were asymptomatic, not doing the 14 day isolation (as who wants to use two week’s annual leave when you don’t have the option to work from home), and going back to work and infecting their colleagues.

Meat factories had been open all along, why did we only start seeing clusters pop up all over the place once Europe opened up again to international travel?

Nail on the head!

How many had traveled back from Brazil perhaps?