Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

Irish Aris

saabsaab wrote: »

Why should he accept it? I don't think it should be an individual choice. Laws are not up to the individual to obey as they see fit.

Then maybe they should make it into a law, because at the moment is only an advice - as per that now infamous legal case against Ryan Air. . .

is_that_so

European Union countries have agreed to adopt a common "traffic light" system for tourism travel during the pandemic.

It aims to end a confusing patchwork of restrictions across Europe and bring back free movement of people, one of the key principles of the EU.

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/1009/1170570-eu-travel-latest/

is_that_so

is_that_so wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/1009/1170570-eu-travel-latest/

Interesting that it says the scheme was backed by a “majority” of EU governments. Not “all” EU governments. I wonder who did not back it, and whether that means they have an opt out

faceman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Interesting that it says the scheme was backed by a “majority” of EU governments. Not “all” EU governments. I wonder who did not back it, and whether that means they have an opt out

Tenner says Hungary didn’t back it

gozunda

And we wonder why infection rates are rising ...

"More than 191,000 people flew into Dublin Airport from Covid hotspots during a four-week period, according to figures given by Transport Minister Eamon Ryan. The airport saw arrivals from the US, Italy, Spain, Greece and Portugal between September 7 and October 4, as Covid-19 infections in these countries continued to rise. Health Minister Stephen Donnelly said Ireland will join the European Union’s “traffic light” system for travel this week."

From

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/dublin-airport-coronavirus-tourists-ireland-19093464

munchkin_utd

gozunda wrote: »

And we wonder why infection rates are rising ...

you do realise that Ireland is a covid hotspot, and has been since people are celebrating various family and community celebrations with gusto since a couple of months ago.

The virus spreads by contact, and if many people are literally not giving a ****e any more about acting in a sensible manner, then thats the problem with the explosive growth rates, not a couple of dozen people arriving on a virtually empty flight from the USA (which is only commercially viable due to the cargo in the hold)

zerosugarbuzz

munchkin_utd wrote: »

you do realise that Ireland is a covid hotspot, and has been since people are celebrating various family and community celebrations with gusto since a couple of months ago.

The virus spreads by contact, and if many people are literally not giving a ****e any more about acting in a sensible manner, then thats the problem with the explosive growth rates, not a couple of dozen people arriving on a virtually empty flight from the USA (which is only commercially viable due to the cargo in the hold)

Well the death rate is thankfully very low. So a hotspot isn’t what it once was obviously.

munchkin_utd

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Well the death rate is thankfully very low. So a hotspot isn’t what it once was obviously.

currently the high numbers are a combination of high testing capacity and the fact that its younger people showing up in those tests (for various obvious reasons) but its only a matter of time before older people are at the end of the infection chain whether relatives or in old folks homes.
Thats already happening and will only accelerate over time, unfortunately.

Anyhow, as I said, contrary to what people seem to think including the mother in law just 2 days ago, its not a yank off the plane who is going into an old folks home and infecting them, and its no addition to ban flights, close the airport, (shoot all foreigners, close the multinationals, swear at the government, or come up with other scapegoats for irish peoples irresponsible behaviour) the current wave is home grown, and the future exponential growth in the coming weeks and months will also be home grown - regardless of whether flights are running or not

saabsaab

gozunda wrote: »

And we wonder why infection rates are rising ...

"More than 191,000 people flew into Dublin Airport from Covid hotspots during a four-week period, according to figures given by Transport Minister Eamon Ryan. The airport saw arrivals from the US, Italy, Spain, Greece and Portugal between September 7 and October 4, as Covid-19 infections in these countries continued to rise. Health Minister Stephen Donnelly said Ireland will join the European Union’s “traffic light” system for travel this week."

From

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/dublin-airport-coronavirus-tourists-ireland-19093464

It certainly doesn't help. How is this allowed? Would you empty a bath with the taps still running?

munchkin_utd

saabsaab wrote: »

It certainly doesn't help. How is this allowed? Would you empty a bath with the taps still running?

At one stage there was just 60 or so travel related cases in 2 weeks compared to 1500 domestic "having the craic as if covid wasnt a problem any more" domestic transmissions

So, was the problem foreign travel, or lads having the craic ?

Stopping 60 cases, and telling the nation that travel is halted and the situation is under control would not have made any noticable difference

You wouldnt be turning off a tap, youd be screwing an already almost closed tap completely shut, when the nation is bathing in Covic craic related chaos

Away With The Fairies

saabsaab wrote: »

It certainly doesn't help. How is this allowed? Would you empty a bath with the taps still running?

Shut down businesses but allow flights in. Are our government going to help us in any way? Seems like they just want this thing to rip through.

Happydays2020

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Shut down businesses but allow flights in. Are our government going to help us in any way? Seems like they just want this thing to rip through.

Those flights are keeping the economy alive (particularly the US ones).

Away With The Fairies

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Those flights are keeping the economy alive (particularly the US ones).

What about the businesses that are closed? Did they help with the economy?

munchkin_utd

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Shut down businesses but allow flights in. Are our government going to help us in any way? Seems like they just want this thing to rip through.

people arriving on a flight do 14 days self isolation after the flight to avoid passing on the virus

Do you suggest people do the same after a restaurant or pub visit ?

normanoffside

gozunda wrote: »

And we wonder why infection rates are rising ...

"More than 191,000 people flew into Dublin Airport from Covid hotspots during a four-week period, according to figures given by Transport Minister Eamon Ryan. The airport saw arrivals from the US, Italy, Spain, Greece and Portugal between September 7 and October 4, as Covid-19 infections in these countries continued to rise. Health Minister Stephen Donnelly said Ireland will join the European Union’s “traffic light” system for travel this week."

From

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/dublin-airport-coronavirus-tourists-ireland-19093464

Such a rubbish article.
Most of those so called 'covid hotspots' have much lower infection rates than ireland.

faceman

munchkin_utd wrote: »

people arriving on a flight do 14 days self isolation after the flight to avoid passing on the virus

Do you suggest people do the same after a restaurant or pub visit ?

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Tenzor07

normanoffside wrote: »

Such a rubbish article.
Most of those so called 'covid hotspots' have much lower infection rates than ireland.

Of course, it's just an article trying to Rabble-rouse and divert attention away from the fact that the Irish Government has left the airports to rot...
They had 8 months in which to implement everything from passenger locating forms, temperature checks and random testing...

fly_agaric

munchkin_utd wrote: »

people arriving on a flight do 14 days self isolation after the flight to avoid passing on the virus

They fill a (usually) unverified form & swear solemnly (!) to isolate but it is unknown how many actually do it or not.

Judging by how many humans chuck litter on the ground, how many won't abide by other voluntary public health recommendations when they can get away with it, or even isolate & get a test if identified as a contact, we can be quite sure there are significant percentages of inward travellers not isolating. Some of them will have Covid-19 and infect people and such infections by their nature will be hard to ever link back to travel or to contact trace.

theological

munchkin_utd wrote: »

people arriving on a flight do 14 days self isolation after the flight to avoid passing on the virus

Do you suggest people do the same after a restaurant or pub visit ?

The difference is pretty simple. The 14 days isolation is to prevent importations of cases from abroad.

Other transmission is within the country so is easier to track and trace and isolate with more localised measures.

Away With The Fairies

munchkin_utd wrote: »

people arriving on a flight do 14 days self isolation after the flight to avoid passing on the virus

Do you suggest people do the same after a restaurant or pub visit ?

How about we keep infection out in the first place so that they don't have to close businesses?

saabsaab

normanoffside wrote: »

Such a rubbish article.
Most of those so called 'covid hotspots' have much lower infection rates than ireland.

Yea, they do Now, after importing them.

Happydays2020

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

What about the businesses that are closed? Did they help with the economy?

Do you realise that there are very few people on those flights particularly the US ones?

That they are carrying a lot of essential cargo including pharmaceuticals, heart stents etc.

And that passenger numbers are less than 10% of normal levels?

And that the vast majority of live positive cases have absolutely nothing to do with travel.

Tenzor07

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Do you realise that there are very few people on those flights particularly the US ones?
That they are carrying a lot of essential cargo including pharmaceuticals, heart stents etc.
And that passenger numbers are less than 10% of normal levels?
And that the vast majority of live positive cases have absolutely nothing to do with travel.

I think we have a few "Greta's" on this thread who've no interest in public health... :rolleyes:

saabsaab

Essential travel can't be stopped but much isn't. Travel is how this virus spreads and air travel is more guilty that anything.

Happydays2020

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Do you realise that there are very few people on those flights particularly the US ones?

That they are carrying a lot of essential cargo including pharmaceuticals, heart stents etc.

And that passenger numbers are less than 10% of normal levels?

And that the vast majority of live positive cases have absolutely nothing to do with travel.

Numbers are much less than 10%. My partner just flew to the US to spend some time with her family and there were 3 people on the plane

gozunda

munchkin_utd wrote: »

you do realise that Ireland is a covid hotspot, and has been since people are celebrating various family and community celebrations with gusto since a couple of months ago.

The virus spreads by contact, and if many people are literally not giving a ****e any more about acting in a sensible manner, then thats the problem with the explosive growth rates, not a couple of dozen people arriving on a virtually empty flight from the USA (which is only commercially viable due to the cargo in the hold)

I think you will find our rate of infection is rising. And the fact that "more than 191,000 people flew into Dublin Airport from Covid hotspots during a four-week period" does not equate to " a couple of dozen people arriving on a virtually empty flight from the USA". We are now looking at the culmative number of potentially infections from individuals on top of this. Though I'd reckon you are correct - a fair number dont give a '****e"

Tenzor07

saabsaab wrote: »

Essential travel can't be stopped but much isn't. Travel is how this virus spreads and air travel is more guilty that anything.

Right on man, if you go on an airyplane then you get the Virus... fact!

saabsaab

Cabinet has agreed to ban home visits. Where are the visitors to go now?

saabsaab

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Right on man, if you go on an airyplane then you get the Virus... fact!

Those that travel have a higher risk, yes.

theological

The fact that people are still arguing against travel restrictions despite the evidence is incredible. Particularly when the country is being effectively locked down again in part because new cases were imported from travel from abroad.