Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

lawrencesummers

Deleted User wrote: »

No, its not. Its the behaviour of an individual who went out and socialised when he had COVID symptoms that is the problem

Yea because if we had stopped travel it wouldn’t have happened.
If we had testing around travel it wouldn’t have happened.
If we had follow up it wouldn’t have happened.
If we had actual punishment for not following the guidelines it wouldn’t have happened.


The time for expecting people especially in Ireland to do the right thing never existed.

Never.


We know the virus is asymptomatic in a lot of people, this case highlights someone who had symptoms, therefore a lot more people must have travelled inwards while asymptomatic and the controls in place wouldn’t have detected that.

faceman

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So travel isn’t a problem?


Travel clearly is a problem, but this piece would have you believe the “index case” is the problem with their behaviour when restrictions should have applied, testing should have been in place and follow up to check compliance happening.

Man who failed to restrict movements after trip abroad led to 56 Covid-19 infections

https://www.thejournal.ie/man-failed-restrict-movements-56-cases-5237110-Oct2020/

This article doesn’t highlight travel as a problem. Where are you seeing travel as the issue here?

theological

faceman wrote: »

This article doesn’t highlight travel as a problem. Where are you seeing travel as the issue here?

This is ostrich syndrome at this stage. Travel introduced the virus into Ireland and other western countries. There are documented cases of people transmitting the virus to others after travelling.

If travel had been restricted in the summer it is likely that we wouldn't be where we are now across Europe never mind just Ireland.

Every successful country has flight restrictions. It's really simple stuff.

faceman

theological wrote: »

This is ostrich syndrome at this stage. Travel introduced the virus into Ireland and other western countries. There are documented cases of people transmitting the virus to others after travelling.

If travel had been restricted in the summer it is likely that we wouldn't be where we are now across Europe never mind just Ireland.

Here we go again. :rolleyes:

Wrong.

BobMc

Its socialising is the problem all over, not travel, mixing with other outside your home is where spread is coming from.

If he'd followed the rules all would be OK, but going out mixing with others is where all this comes from. Went for dinner once during this for our wedding anniversary, table of 6 all individuals sat near us, No. 1 rule for this outbreak dont mix from
outside your household !

If the rules had been followed as per advice it would be fine, he also broke advice as its if not feeling any bit unwell ISOLATE and seek a test and ISOLATE till results are received !!

lawrencesummers

BobMc wrote: »

Its socialising is the problem all over, not travel, mixing with other outside your home is where spread is coming from.

If he'd followed the rules all would be OK, but going out mixing with others is where all this comes from. Went for dinner once during this for our wedding anniversary, table of 6 all individuals sat near us, No. 1 rull for this outbreak dont mix from
outside your household !

If the rules had been followed as per advice it would be fine, he also broke advice as its if not feeling any bit unwell ISOLATE and seek a test and ISOLATE till results are received !!

If he had followed the rules maybe.
But that doesn’t take into account the massive amount of the population that is asymptomatic that remains undetected and untraced.

lawrencesummers

faceman wrote: »

This article doesn’t highlight travel as a problem. Where are you seeing travel as the issue here?

Did you even read the headline?

fm

theological wrote: »

This is ostrich syndrome at this stage. Travel introduced the virus into Ireland and other western countries. There are documented cases of people transmitting the virus to others after travelling.

If travel had been restricted in the summer it is likely that we wouldn't be where we are now across Europe never mind just Ireland.

This person's actions after he travelled is the problem and caused the spread, had they developed symptoms after visiting the local pub, restaurant or went on a staycation they wouldn't have isolated either and caused the exact same problem but it's easy to blame travel, it's all about the blame these days, poor propaganda by the hse and the papers

lawrencesummers

It’s blatantly clear from that that expecting people to restrict their movement, (whatever the hell that means) Just isn’t enough.

spaceHopper

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Did you even read the headline?

Irish times carry the same story, one of his friends felt unwell, got tested, felt better went to a party then test result came back positive.

We need better education, people should be in no doubt that they have to self isolate when they return from abroad, or are waiting for a test or result of a test. It shouldn't be a "guideline" that's advice and you can ignore it. It should be the law and you should be followed up on.

Guy in work was going to visit his family in Lithuania he'd to apply for permission to travel, show where he was going to self isolate, if he needed to leave before the two weeks he's to apply for permission. He'd two phone calls from the police one before he was due to leave an one while he was due to be there. In the end he didn't go as it was to be week trip and there was no point.
That's how you do it. Check Check and Check, don't leave it up to people check on them.

Tenzor07

theological wrote: »

This is ostrich syndrome at this stage. Travel introduced the virus into Ireland and other western countries. There are documented cases of people transmitting the virus to others after travelling.
If travel had been restricted in the summer it is likely that we wouldn't be where we are now across Europe never mind just Ireland.

If in the E.U/World, there was a travel ban from China back in February, then the world would be in a much better place now, I agree with you there...

But the above is just stating the obvious now, and hindsight has 20/20 vision.

fm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It’s blatantly clear from that that expecting people to restrict their movement, (whatever the hell that means) Just isn’t enough.

Yes, it doesn't work as you are relying on all people doing the right thing, testing is the only way not stopping movement and general living

faceman

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Did you even read the headline?

Haha. Did you even read the article?

d15ude

If there's a new 4.5/5 lockdown, one might as well travel.
Won't infect anyone on return, as everything will be closed.

I'm off to check google flights...

whisky_galore

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So travel isn’t a problem?


Travel clearly is a problem, but this piece would have you believe the “index case” is the problem with their behaviour when restrictions should have applied, testing should have been in place and follow up to check compliance happening.

Man who failed to restrict movements after trip abroad led to 56 Covid-19 infections

https://www.thejournal.ie/man-failed-restrict-movements-56-cases-5237110-Oct2020/

Top entitled Me Feinery, right up there with the Cork numpty who threw a house party after coming back from his hollibobs.

It's like some are living in their own little bubble.

lawrencesummers

faceman wrote: »

Haha. Did you even read the article?

Twice.
Il give you the jist of it, a Fella ignored the Flimsy and arbitrary guidelines after an unnecessary trip abroad and infected a load of people, who infected a load of others.

yoshimitsu

Take a look at this: https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Are the countries that have much worse infections stats than Ireland (e.g. Belgium, Netherlands, Czech Rep) examples of countries that have had very relaxed travel policies and/or hotspots for summer travel?

Are the countries that have much better infections stats than Ireland (e.g. Germany, Greece, Cyprus) examples of countries that have banned travel, closed boarders, imposed the harshest quarantine restrictions?

Correlation between travel policies in Europe and infection cases is spurious at best, if not flat-out weak. Germany and Italy have had much more relaxed travel restrictions through the entire summer season and still much better numbers than Ireland.
Yet - if I understand correctly - in this thread we blame current Irish infection rates on not having had tough enough travel restrictions during the summer... is that right?
I'm glad I found this thread... it was getting boring on the "Will you fly" one

Golfman64

yoshimitsu wrote: »

Take a look at this: https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Are the countries that have much worse infections stats than Ireland (e.g. Belgium, Netherlands, Czech Rep) examples of countries that have had very relaxed travel policies and/or hotspots for summer travel?

Are the countries that have much better infections stats than Ireland (e.g. Germany, Greece, Cyprus) examples of countries that have banned travel, closed boarders, imposed the harshest quarantine restrictions?

Correlation between travel policies in Europe and infection cases is spurious at best, if not flat-out weak. Germany and Italy have had much more relaxed travel restrictions through the entire summer season and still much better numbers than Ireland.
Yet - if I understand correctly - in this thread we blame current Irish infection rates on not having had tough enough travel restrictions during the summer... is that right?
I'm glad I found this thread... it was getting boring on the "Will you fly" one

It’s complete madness on this thread - the ones irrationally complaining about foreign travel are probably the same people letting their guard down whilst in Ireland thinking ‘oh sure I wasn’t abroad - it’s all fine’

In any case, I think what this shows is that what IATA, the ECDC, the airlines and even Leo have stated - we need clear travel guidelines (per EU traffic light system) and we need to very quickly introduce rapid testing at airports for high risk countries. The quarantine advice has always been an illogical item in my view.

lawrencesummers

Travel is a problem,( as are other areas)
There is a solution to it that allows travel to return safely.
Asking people to restrict their movements Doesn’t cut it as we can see.

We live on an island, it doesn’t get sent by post.


We should be at a point by now where more travel is happening because the controls implemented around travel are sufficient to detect and isolate cases.

Tenzor07

yoshimitsu wrote: »

Yet - if I understand correctly - in this thread we blame current Irish infection rates on not having had tough enough travel restrictions during the summer... is that right?
I'm glad I found this thread... it was getting boring on the "Will you fly" one

Yes, in Ireland the Media and Government like to play a game of blame and distract on the ordinary citizens...
....Hospitals overcrowded and with insufficient staff? Oh...now did you go to that pub and house party, well it's your fault..
Testing and tracing system a complete failure? Oh now did you go on a flight? Well you're to blame so....

Now the citizens squabble amongst each other shunning close friends and family for having a drink or leaving their county... Meanwhile they forget about the piss poor leadership and heathcare system, as well as the complete lack of an objective media with journalists who properly challenge the narrative of those in power...

faceman

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Travel is a problem,( as are other areas)
There is a solution to it that allows travel to return safely.
Asking people to restrict their movements Doesn’t cut it as we can see.

We live on an island, it doesn’t get sent by post.


We should be at a point by now where more travel is happening because the controls implemented around travel are sufficient to detect and isolate cases.

Ah,we are in agreement, for the most part

lawrencesummers

faceman wrote: »

Ah,we are in agreement, for the most part

What parts are you still wrong about?

faceman

lawrencesummers wrote: »

What parts are you still wrong about?

Hahahahahah

I do like the banter with your posts

3xh

theological wrote: »

This is ostrich syndrome at this stage. Travel introduced the virus into Ireland and other western countries. There are documented cases of people transmitting the virus to others after travelling.

If travel had been restricted in the summer it is likely that we wouldn't be where we are now across Europe never mind just Ireland.

I quote you here, theological but this question is for anyone here ‘believing’ this article;

What country did this traveller return from?

lawrencesummers

Presumably Spain or somewhere that Irish people typically go on holidays.

3xh

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Presumably Spain or somewhere that Irish people typically go on holidays.

Haha! Ffs! Give me a break! Well now that that’s settled, pitch forks up!

No wonder NPHET and the Government can spout any auld crap and get away with it.

theological

3xh wrote: »

I quote you here, theological but this question is for anyone here ‘believing’ this article;

What country did this traveller return from?

I'm referring to other cases in other countries including a group of corona-positive teenagers who returned for Greece only to go out in Plymouth afterwards.

I don't know which article you're referring to, but it's daft to say that travel hasn't contributed to the spread of the virus when it is obvious it has done. This is particularly true when you consider that travel is the only reason the virus is here.

lawrencesummers

3xh wrote: »

Haha! Ffs! Give me a break! Well now that that’s settled, pitch forks up!

No wonder NPHET and the Government can spout any auld crap and get away with it.

It says in the piece he returned from holidays.
The majority of Irish people go to Spain on their holidays.

What the problem?

Tenzor07

The Problem is we don't know where exactly this person came back from and it doesn't matter....For all we know he went away for the weekend and was already infected here in Ireland, was asymptomatic when he travelled, only displaying symptoms when he returned..

The actual issue here is that this individual failed to follow the guidelines as did his contacts... had he been responsible and isolated himself and got tested then we wouldn't all be talking about this case right now... This is a failure of personal responsibility and obligations to others by the character in question!