Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

a_squirrelman

TheCitizen wrote: »

We had it down in Ireland. It came back because it was brought in. Irish people mostly returning for Christmas, the stupid fools should have stayed where they were.

No. It was Irish people already in Ireland having their meaningful Christmas. Most people did stay away.
Take ownership for the lovely Christmas ye all had. Stop looking to clear your consciences by blaming something that wasn't responsible.

UDAWINNER

Should be two weeks quarantine like in some countries and at their own expense.
People should not travelling at this time and tourists should not be welcomed either during this period. But micheal and his cohorts won't have the balls to do it.

TheCitizen

a_squirrelman wrote: »

No. It was Irish people already in Ireland having their meaningful Christmas. Most people did stay away.
Take ownership for the lovely Christmas ye all had. Stop looking to clear your consciences by blaming something that wasn't responsible.

It was both and I’m not looking to clear conscience, but it’s the UK strain that is taking over now. Fairly obvious where that came from

Cerveza

TheCitizen wrote: »

It was both and I’m not looking to clear conscience, but it’s the UK strain that is taking over now. Fairly obvious where that came from

All the house parties and the Mary’s downing Lidl wine in each other’s houses didn’t spread it all.

TheCitizen

UDAWINNER wrote: »

Should be two weeks quarantine like in some countries and at their own expense.
People should not travelling at this time and tourists should not be welcomed either during this period. But micheal and his cohorts won't have the balls to do it.

Better do it now. Then get that eejit Johnson to do the same so The North does likewise

ginoginelli

CJhaughey wrote: »

Looks like most of EU is starting to move towards total travel bans even intra-EU.
What is the bet that our shambolic government will be last to the party and move towards the ban gradually, while wringing their collective hands and muttering about disproportionality and two island problems etc.
FFS! this is a global problem and aside from the damage caused already to lives and livelihoods it can potentially go on and on ad infinitum as the new variants mutate and render the vaccines less effective.

Don't forget we went from one of the best to the worst in the world all because we had a *meaningful christmas*.
Thanks very much Taoiseach for all the deaths and misery that that piece of stupidity caused.

If you were in NPHET right now it must feel like being Dr Fauci under Trump, this virus doesn't obey political feelings or gut feelings.
Having the country locked down is not sustainable forever, a travel ban and mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks like NZ have done is the only way we will move away from this present cycle.

Well summed up. The frustration of the public is palpable now.

90 percent in a recent poll want hotel quaranting. It's being recommended by nphet too.

Those ****ers in the dail better get their act together and implement this asap.

faceman

CJhaughey wrote: »

Looks like most of EU is starting to move towards total travel bans even intra-EU.

Not true

https://www.euronews.com/2021/01/22/eu-travel-bans-bloc-leaders-agree-to-keep-borders-open-for-now

CJhaughey

CJhaughey wrote: »

Looks like most of EU is starting to move towards total travel bans even intra-EU.
What is the bet that our shambolic government will be last to the party and move towards the ban gradually, while wringing their collective hands and muttering about disproportionality and two island problems etc.
FFS! this is a global problem and aside from the damage caused already to lives and livelihoods it can potentially go on and on ad infinitum as the new variants mutate and render the vaccines less effective.

Don't forget we went from one of the best to the worst in the world all because we had a *meaningful christmas*.
Thanks very much Taoiseach for all the deaths and misery that that piece of stupidity caused.

If you were in NPHET right now it must feel like being Dr Fauci under Trump, this virus doesn't obey political feelings or gut feelings.
Having the country locked down is not sustainable forever, a travel ban and mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks like NZ have done is the only way we will move away from this present cycle.

Think you’ll find that EU leaders are desperate to do the exact opposite of what you are suggesting. They want to keep borders open, and implement a rigorous PCR testing regime for all internal borders. Exactly what Ireland and the UK have now done

CJhaughey

faceman wrote: »

Not true

https://www.euronews.com/2021/01/22/eu-travel-bans-bloc-leaders-agree-to-keep-borders-open-for-now

Your link states: For Now...
I said Moving towards...
Not a lot of daylight between those two terms IMHO.
Look at Denmark, I accept this is not a ban but in real terms its as stringent as New Zealands travel requirements.


COVID-19 Status
Travel to Denmark from Ireland

Information about restrictions on passengers entering Denmark from green, orange, red and grey regions under the new EU Recommendation (‘traffic lights’ system) which applies to EU / EEA countries is available here: https://coronasmitte.dk/en/entry-into-denmark

Denmark’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs has now classed every country in the world as ‘red’ and advises against all travel, not just non-essential travel. In order to enter Denmark, all passengers regardless of nationality or purpose will need to show proof of a negative COVID-19 test taken within 24 hours of entry. This requirement comes into effect at 17:00 on 9 January. This test does not need to be a PCR test and can be a rapid test. In addition those wishing to enter Denmark will still need to prove that they have a worthy purpose, details of what constitutes a worthy purpose and requirements for the test are listed here: https://coronasmitte.dk/en/entry-into-denmark/persons-resident-in-banned-countries.

Requirements for restricting movements on arrival are detailed in the Danish Ministry of Foreign Affairs website: https://um.dk/en/travel-and-residence/coronavirus-covid-19/. Those entering Denmark will need to isolate for 10 days upon arrival, this period can be shortened by a negative test taken a minimum of four days after entry. There are certain exemptions to the self-isolation requirement depending on the reason for entry.
https://www.dfa.ie/travel/travel-advice/a-z-list-of-countries/denmark/

tom1ie

a_squirrelman wrote: »

No. It was Irish people already in Ireland having their meaningful Christmas. Most people did stay away.
Take ownership for the lovely Christmas ye all had. Stop looking to clear your consciences by blaming something that wasn't responsible.

It was a mixture of both.
People went mad and they should take the blame for that. There should have been no Christmas visits.
However plenty of people came home to visit from other hotspots and infected family and friends.
We are all paying for this selfishness now.
Therefore a three pronged attack is what is finally happening:
Vaccinations
Enforced quarantine for people coming into the country.
Enforced restrictions for residents.

a_squirrelman

tom1ie wrote: »

It was a mixture of both.
People went mad and they should take the blame for that. There should have been no Christmas visits.
However plenty of people came home to visit from other hotspots and infected family and friends.
We are all paying for this selfishness now.
Therefore a three pronged attack is what is finally happening:
Vaccinations
Enforced quarantine for people coming into the country.
Enforced restrictions for residents.

I was listening to RTE Radio 1 interviewing those coming in before Christmas, almost all of those interviewed said they had self isolated before travelling.
Sounds more responsible than selfish to me.
But for sure some of those that arrived weren't careful before travelling, no more than the countless selfish people having gaf parties.

tom1ie

a_squirrelman wrote: »

I was listening to RTE Radio 1 interviewing those coming in before Christmas, almost all of those interviewed said they had self isolated before travelling.
Sounds more responsible than selfish to me.
But for sure some of those that arrived weren't careful before travelling, no more than the countless selfish people having gaf parties.

Do you honestly think they’d tell rte they hadn’t isolated?
Don’t be so naive!

jam_mac_jam

a_squirrelman wrote: »

I was listening to RTE Radio 1 interviewing those coming in before Christmas, almost all of those interviewed said they had self isolated before travelling.
Sounds more responsible than selfish to me.
But for sure some of those that arrived weren't careful before travelling, no more than the countless selfish people having gaf parties.

If they were responsible they wouldn't have travelled. As loads of people who didn't travel.

Because there was a pandemic. Even if they isolated before they travelled you can't isolate while you are travelling.

a_squirrelman

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

If they were responsible they wouldn't have travelled. As loads of people who didn't travel.

Because there was a pandemic. Even if they isolated before they travelled you can't isolate while you are travelling.

No, things aren't black and white. Some people who travelled home took precautions and were careful.
I wasn't comfortable with it so didn't make the trip. But yeah, feel free to blame those who travelled. Nothing to do with the lovely Christmas ye had.

a_squirrelman

tom1ie wrote: »

Do you honestly think they’d tell rte they hadn’t isolated?
Don’t be so naive!

One girl was in full PPE from London to Dublin and was gonna isolate before meeting her elderly parents.
A dope of a man was flying in in the morning to spend the day with friends before f-ing back to London on an evening flight.
So yeah, Rte shared a variety of stories.

gozunda

faceman wrote: »

All this focus on travel is such crap.

1/3 of cases acquired at present occur in hospitals. Why no discussion about that?

Confirmed covid cases in Ireland are under no obligation to isolate. Why no discussion about that?

Not quite.

A "third of patients with Covid-19 in hospital contracted the virus"* whilst in hospital.

https://www.thejournal.ie/third-contracting-covid-in-hospital-varadkar-5331491-Jan2021/

jam_mac_jam

a_squirrelman wrote: »

No, things aren't black and white. Some people who travelled home took precautions and were careful.
I wasn't comfortable with it so didn't make the trip. But yeah, feel free to blame those who travelled. Nothing to do with the lovely Christmas ye had.

I'm not blaming anyone. Didn't say anything about anyones lovely Christmas.

Just making the blindingly obvious point that more responsible people didn't travel. Doesn't matter if they took precautions they choose to take a risk by travelling.

If they were more concerned about the spread they would not have travelled.

caveat emptor

About time 5km was treated as 5km. Wonder how many will actually be fined for non essential travel. Fairly severe if turned back as you get a fine and the cost of rescheduling /cancelling the flight.

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1352938773458378752?s=20

fm

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I'm not blaming anyone. Didn't say anything about anyones lovely Christmas.

Just making the blindingly obvious point that more responsible people didn't travel. Doesn't matter if they took precautions they choose to take a risk by travelling.

If they were more concerned about the spread they would not have travelled.

Same so could be said about people working or college students say in dublin and going home to their parents for Christmas in galway or wherever and getting a test before hand. We're they as irresponsible also?, it's the same

jam_mac_jam

caveat emptor wrote: »

About time 5km was treated as 5km. Wonder how many will actually be fined for non essential travel. Fairly severe if turned back as you get a fine and the cost of rescheduling /cancelling the flight.

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1352938773458378752?s=20

Delighted they are finally doing something about this.

faceman

caveat emptor wrote: »

About time 5km was treated as 5km. Wonder how many will actually be fined for non essential travel. Fairly severe if turned back as you get a fine and the cost of rescheduling /cancelling the flight.

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1352938773458378752?s=20

Theres no legal mandate to say you can't travel internationally. Ireland has signed up to the EU traffic light system. Therefore Im not sure on what grounds the Gardai cant prevent people travelling to the airport.

Also isn't people's gripe the incoming travellers? Shouldn't they be on the other side of the road? :P

faceman

gozunda wrote: »

Not quite.

A "third of patients with Covid-19 in hospital contracted the virus"* whilst in hospital.

https://www.thejournal.ie/third-contracting-covid-in-hospital-varadkar-5331491-Jan2021/

Yeah thats what I meant. I cant reveal where but I know first hand of a hospital that was mixing covid and non-covid patients on wards.

Tenzor07

caveat emptor wrote: »

About time 5km was treated as 5km. Wonder how many will actually be fined for non essential travel. Fairly severe if turned back as you get a fine and the cost of rescheduling /cancelling the flight.

That's just for PR, won't stop anyone leaving the country and won't stop anyone arriving....

Wasn't a single checkpoint anywhere near the airport all 2020 when it may have made sense back in March/April...

Coillte_Bhoy

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Delighted they are finally doing something about this.

Doing what exactly? Just a PR exercise

fly_agaric

People going to airports (to fly out) is a distraction.
If countries are foolish enough to let them in without ensuring proper precautions are in place that is their problem. Ireland's responsibility around air travel in relation to coronavirus control is people coming into the state, including Irish people returning from spring breaks in Belgrade and the like! :pac:

CJhaughey wrote: »

If you were in NPHET right now it must feel like being Dr Fauci under Trump, this virus doesn't obey political feelings or gut feelings.

Ah its not that bad, the US leadership/politicians have been in a class of their own
Any political/policy errors here have also been made in other European countries and were more (IMO) a case of not taking the whole situation seriously enough in hindsight rather than trying to deny (or cherry pick) evidence/science etc to fit beliefs and political ideology

gmisk

One flight into Ireland sparked 59 Covid cases in six HSE regions - study
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40213163.html

Harry Palmr

Israel to ban all commercial passenger flights for two weeks. Then review.

Danno

faceman wrote: »

People really have the horn for this topic.

Not quite, but you really have a badger up your pipe about any form of restrictions on incoming passengers. I presume from your profile pic that you are somewhat involved in aviation and are looking at another few months of PUP and thus are suffering serious financial shortcomings because of this kunt of a virus.

However, I present the following facts:

Late June and Early July 2020 we had cases down in single figures here. However, airlines resumed flying Irish people out for their "hols" as soon as school term ended. The result: https://www.newstalk.com/news/coronavirus-60-irish-cases-traced-one-strain-spain-1099162

There were 1.45 million passenger movements through our airports during this time. (July, August, September) https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/as/aviationstatisticsquarter32020/

After all that virus was imported AGAIN, we had another lockdown in late October as you well know. With Christmas coming, our glorious leaders decided to leave airports open to anyone who wished to come. The result: https://www.newstalk.com/news/coronavirus-51-further-virus-related-deaths-and-2608-new-cases-announced-1138838

We are still awaiting the Q4 data from the CSO, but rest assured it won't be pretty.

Already we know the south African strain is here: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-south-african-strain-detected-for-first-time-in-ireland-1.4453160 and it sure didn't swim here.

We also know that 1,500 passengers arrived here from the South American continent: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/concern-over-covid-19-variants-prompts-call-for-recent-arrivals-from-brazil-to-seek-a-test-1.4460650

It is POINTLESS asking Irish people to suffer a third (in some cases a fourth) lockdown.

We as a nation done very well getting cases down to low single figures by the start of July. Going back to the well and asking us all to keep restrictions going gets very tiresome, wrecks the economy and public morale - especially while we have wide open borders.

Fcuk the EU, Fcuk Arelene Foster, Fcuk Borris Johnson and most importantly Fcuk Michael O Leary.

The following actions must take place:
* Phonecall to Stormont and ask them to pick one - join the Dublin Govt in an all-island approach to keeping Covid19 out or face a border seal from Donegal to Louth. No ifs buts or ands. Anyone employed in NI but living in the ROI will get €700-€1000 per week PUP payment.
* Trucking companies to be encouraged to arrange drop at port/border and have internal Irish trucking companies complete the last mile of the trip. Government could temporarily refund excise and carbon tax fees on fuel to encourage co-operation for truckers.
* Anyone essential travelling here must provide a negative PCR test and mandatory quarantine here for four or five days until a second negative PCR test is obtained.

These measures would pretty much rule out any further importation of the virus.

Once these measures are in place turn to the Irish Public and guarantee them that four weeks of strict restrictions followed by four weeks of lighter restrictions will be followed by a complete relaxation of all restrictions.

In this eight-week period, test and trace the fcuk out of this virus. 7am-11pm teams working on this. Ditto for the vaccine - 7am-11pm roll out seven days a week.

By St. Patrick's Day we'd be pretty much home and dry with our own country back. Keep international restrictions painfully severe until the rest of the EU is sorted.

Anything else is going to be an utter and complete failure.

Either get rid of the virus now or let it fcuking rip. This one foot in, one foot out pussying about is nauseating.

UDAWINNER

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/13838970/covid-quarantine-hotels-uk-arrivals/

I know its the Sun, but if it is put in place in the UK, we surely have to do the same, lets see how many selfish pricks travel when they have to for fork out for this as well as 2 tests.

maestroamado

Tenzor07 wrote: »

That's just for PR, won't stop anyone leaving the country and won't stop anyone arriving....

Wasn't a single checkpoint anywhere near the airport all 2020 when it may have made sense back in March/April...

There is absolutely no need for Gardai be involved in this.
There are Airport police at the Airport and this is their purpose.
If there not enough it may be an option to second some of the new Garda recruits.
I was at Dublin Airport last week and it was very quiet.
Now the Gardai in their wisdom have decided to disrupt traffic around the Airport and only ba small percent of cars on-route to Airport. CRAZY STUFF

Also the powers that be that said 10 days ago was compulsory to enter this country are now saying that if people have not proper test stay in hotel for 5 nights. WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THIS?