Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

Mortelaro

ShineOn7 wrote: »

That's .... not really how this virus works

How does one pick up the virus if one is 2 metres from anyone with unknown virus status and if one washes one's hands frequently, never touches face eyes nose etc prior to washing?
If everyone is doing that how is the virus spread?

YellowBucket

How can you “keep away from them” ?!

Hotels, B&Bs etc will have loads of Irish domestic tourists, so will restaurants, pubs, shops and also public transport.

It’s not like we place American or any other tourists into some kind of compound bubble or something. Being a tourist in Ireland is being very much part of day to day life in Ireland. It’s all about the mingling.

Mortelaro

YellowBucket wrote: »

How can you “keep away from them” ?!

Hotels, B&Bs etc will have loads of Irish domestic tourists, so will restaurants, pubs, shops and also public transport.

It’s not like we place American or any other tourists into some kind of compound bubble or something. Being a tourist in Ireland is being very much part of day to day life in Ireland. It’s all about the mingling.

Social distancing and mingling are mutually exclusive concepts
If you are socially distancing from tourists, you are not at risk
Tourist sites or hotels or bars not enforcing covid 19 regulations are breaking the law and can be closed
If you mingle with unknown people, it is you yourself that is putting yourself in danger
You need to step back from those situations and report violations of the law to management and the gardai

faceman

average_runner wrote: »

Spain have struggled to get their numbers under 300, mostly over 400 this week, had two big local lockdown, closed 55 beaches due to.social distancing and now compulsory to wear masks in public in most parts of spain

Nonsense. Beaches are closed when they reach capacity. Capacity is severely reduced compared to what a packed beach used to look like. They reopen then when footfall drops.

Masks have been compulsory since lockdown began. This is nothing new. In most regions they must be worn indoors in public and outdoors where social distancing can’t be observed. Exceptions to this are the Balearics, Catalonia and the Andalusia region who have made masks mandatory in public places (except beaches)

The clusters are under control and given there’s a population of nearly 50m here and what the transmission rate was at its worst, Spain has done incredible work to get it under control.

I fail to see the issue here.

Mortelaro

Mortelaro wrote: »

Tourist sites or hotels or bars not enforcing covid 19 regulations are breaking the law and can be closed


You need to step back from those situations and report violations of the law to management and the gardai

And none of those things stop a virus from spreading.

I know someone that caught covid 19, she lives alone, worked alone in an office, wages her hands regularly, sanitised her areas regularly, no contact with anyone unknown & no close contact with anyone known.

Mortelaro

bubblypop wrote: »

And none of those things stop a virus from spreading.

I know someone that caught covid 19, she lives alone, worked alone in an office, wages her hands regularly, sanitised her areas regularly, no contact with anyone unknown & no close contact with anyone known.

It didn't fly in the window
She did have close contact with someone who has the virus or forgot to wash her hands on some occasion and has forgotten this

Mortelaro

Mortelaro wrote: »

It didn't fly in the window
She did have close contact with someone who has the virus or forgot to wash her hands on some occasion and has forgotten this

No, she didn't.

Mortelaro

bubblypop wrote: »

No, she didn't.

You have her under 24/7 surveillance?

YellowBucket

Mortelaro wrote: »

Social distancing and mingling are mutually exclusive concepts
If you are socially distancing from tourists, you are not at risk
Tourist sites or hotels or bars not enforcing covid 19 regulations are breaking the law and can be closed
If you mingle with unknown people, it is you yourself that is putting yourself in danger
You need to step back from those situations and report violations of the law to management and the gardai

So basically what you’re saying is contact tracing and restrictions should only apply to the local peasants, not our American overlords blissfully wandering around, having flown in from extremely high risk locations and we should just all depend on social distancing and nothing else?

They don’t have contact tracing going on properly in the USA. There are still no real systems in place in many states. No apps and they aren’t sharing data or preventing people boarding flights.

Right now we can’t even travel to the USA from Ireland as they’ve banned us from entry, but we are apparently terrified to offend Trump.

The majority of Americans would very likely support our taking a pragmatic approach to inbound tourism right now. They’ve done just that themselves and may even have to deal with internal restrictions before long too.

We can’t get back to business as usual if we can’t control the risks.

If we can get US based visitors in, having tested them, great but they’ve an out of control pandemic going on over there at the moment and unless and until they get to grips with that we need to be prudent.

Mortelaro

Mortelaro wrote: »

You have her under 24/7 surveillance?

No. But she knew exactly where she was & what she did, she did not have contact with anyone nor did she forget to wash her hands.
The hospital think she may have got it from her grocery shopping

Mortelaro

bubblypop wrote: »

No. But she knew exactly where she was & what she did, she did not have contact with anyone nor did she forget to wash her hands.
The hospital think she may have got it from her grocery shopping

Yeah,there's something she's not telling you or the hospital
It didn't fly in the window

Mortelaro

YellowBucket wrote: »

So basically what you’re saying is contact tracing and restrictions should only apply to the local peasants, not our American overlords blissfully wandering around, having flown in from extremely high risk locations and we should just all depend on social distancing and nothing else?

They don’t have contact tracing going on properly in the USA. There are still no real systems in place in many states. No apps and they aren’t sharing data or preventing people boarding flights.

Right now we can’t even travel to the USA from Ireland as they’ve banned us from entry, but we are apparently terrified to offend Trump.

The majority of Americans would very likely support our taking a pragmatic approach to inbound tourism right now. They’ve done just that themselves and may even have to deal with internal restrictions before long too.

We can’t get back to business as usual if we can’t control the risks.

If we can get US based visitors in, having tested them, great but they’ve an out of control pandemic going on over there at the moment and unless and until they get to grips with that we need to be prudent.

There is full contact tracing in bars restaurants and hotels for everyone

Mortelaro

Mortelaro wrote: »

Yeah,there's something she's not telling you or the hospital
It didn't fly in the window

Listen.
She has no reason to lie. She is not hiding anything.

YellowBucket

Mortelaro wrote: »

There is full contact tracing in bars restaurants and hotels for everyone

In the USA and that will link to flight data and onwards to Ireland?

No there is not.

And those tourists turning up in umpteen reports spent 14 days self isolating?! Seems very unlikely.

Mortelaro

YellowBucket wrote: »

In the USA and that will link to flight data and onwards to Ireland?

No there is not.

And those tourists turning up in umpteen reports spent 14 days self isolating?! Seems very unlikely.

A tourist entering any bar or restaurant must give lead contact details

Mortelaro

bubblypop wrote: »

Listen.
She has no reason to lie. She is not hiding anything.

you don't know this
Its possible but extremely unlikely to get covid 19 from shopping goods alright
The chances that would be related to American tourists tinier still

Mortelaro

Mortelaro wrote: »

you don't know this
Its possible but extremely unlikely to get covid 19 from shopping goods alright
The chances that would be related to American tourists tinier still

American tourists can & do go wherever they want. They can touch anything or anyone they want.
There is no real restrictions on their movements.
They are coming from highly infected areas of America. I heard a couple interviewed on radio the other day, they said they were here in Ireland to travel around & escape from where they live, Florida, which is full of covid.

Surely you can see an issue with that?

Mortelaro

bubblypop wrote: »

American tourists can & do go wherever they want. They can touch anything or anyone they want.
There is no real restrictions on their movements.
They are coming from highly infected areas of America. I heard a couple interviewed on radio the other day, they said they were here in Ireland to travel around & escape from where they live, Florida, which is full of covid.

Surely you can see an issue with that?

They cannot touch anyone they want
I'm thinking test on arrival with a 24hr result turnaround or a test pre flight is the better solution

It doesn't matter what the tourists say,its what people do
You can steer clear of them and you should socially distance from unknown people
Washing etc etc then,how can an American tourist infect you or anyone local?
The line about people working in hotels etc being affected disproportionately is greatly exaggerated
They're no more at risk than shop workers which is tiny if following covid 19 prevention procedures properly

Outkast_IRE

We should be closed to tourists from high risk countries - end of story.

How the **** we can all listen to NPHET each evening telling us to be careful , the R number is rising. Standing in queues like lemmings. Making sacrifices. Whilst at the same time we have American tourists flying here to escape their own country increasing the risk massively.

The politicians need to grow a pair - enough is enough . They didnt close our borders quick enough at the start , and now they are going to drop the ball again leaving this unaddressed.

In a few weeks time when some locality is shut down , i am sure they will point the finger at the locals. Not the plague rats fleeing the sinking ship USA.

Purple Mountain

What's really sad for me right now was I was respecting foregoing a foreign holiday this year. I had planned one or two nights this summer in a hotel or b and b somewhere in Ireland to get away and to support our domestic tourism.
There's not a cat in hells chance I'm going anywhere now knowing the Irish tourist hot-spots might be hot with Covid risks from tourists from America/UK etc.
I'll be using my annual leave to fix up the garden etc.

Mortelaro

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

We should be closed to tourists from high risk countries - end of story.



How the **** we can all listen to NPHET each evening telling us to be careful , the R number is rising. Whilst at the same time we have American tourists flying here to escape their own country increasing the risk massively.



The politicians need to grow a pair - enough is enough . They didnt close our borders quick enough at the start , and now they are going to drop the ball again leaving this unaddressed.

Explain to me the impact so far of these American tourists on our disease situation then, over the last month
The effect on our rate is negligible
We have a 0.3% positivity rate in tests

Reason for this success is simple,people are by and large social distancing from strangers when not drunk
Our biggest problem looks to be corona parties and some bars that should lose their licence

Purple Mountain

Mortelaro wrote: »

Explain to me the impact so far of these American tourists on our disease situation then, over the last month
The effect on our rate is negligible
We have a 0.3% positivity rate in tests

Reason for this success is simple,people are by and large social distancing from strangers when not drunk
Our biggest problem looks to be corona parties and some bars that should lose their licence

You know from the last 4 months that there is an incubation period with Corona.
Watch this space for August.

Mortelaro

Purple Mountain wrote: »

What's really sad for me right now was I was respecting foregoing a foreign holiday this year. I had planned one or two nights this summer in a hotel or b and b somewhere in Ireland to get away and to support our domestic tourism.
There's not a cat in hells chance I'm going anywhere now knowing the Irish tourist hot-spots might be hot with Covid risks from tourists from America/UK etc.
I'll be using my annual leave to fix up the garden etc.

In all fairness,thats a very poor faith you have in hotels etc implementing covid 19 prevention regulations ,none of whom have an interest in cutting back on their cleaning regime
I'm failing to see how customers of hotels would not be equally hygienic as its in their own interests
Its all up to us now,we can be virus friendly or its enemy
Its biggest enemy is people following guidelines

Mortelaro

Purple Mountain wrote: »

You know from the last 4 months that there is an incubation period with Corona.
Watch this space for August.

yeah 2 weeks max,no surge yet and I'm not expecting anything huge if the pubs situation is policed properly
There will be an increase but it will be mostly from the lockdown easing because there will be slip ups as the disease is here possibly since last year
Getting it to zero without an effective vaccine is pie in the sky talk

Purple Mountain

Mortelaro wrote: »

In all fairness,thats a very poor faith you have in hotels etc implementing covid 19 prevention regulations ,none of whom have an interest in cutting back on their cleaning regime
I'm failing to see how customers of hotels would not be equally hygienic as its in their own interests
Its all up to us now,we can be virus friendly or its enemy
Its biggest enemy is people following guidelines

I'm sorry but I think you can have all the cleaning in the world and best intentions but one little droplet is all it takes.
I don't just mean hotels but the shops, bars, restaurants, public toilets etc in the tourist traps.
We really should have left Ireland to the Irish this summer.
Anyone coming here from a current CoVid hot-spot is a selfish twat imo.
I was due to go to the Canaries in April which were all but CoVid free back then. Even if the flight hadn't been cancelled, there wasn't a hope I was going over there when the Irish numbers were escalating and potentially be the one to be carrying it into another country.

Mortelaro

Purple Mountain wrote: »

I'm sorry but I think you can have all the cleaning in the world and best intentions but one little droplet is all it takes.
I don't just mean hotels but the shops, bars, restaurants, public toilets etc in the tourist traps.
We really should have left Ireland to the Irish this summer.
Anyone coming here from a current CoVid hot-spot is a selfish twat imo.
I was due to go to the Canaries in April which were all but CoVid free back then. Even if the flight hadn't been cancelled, there wasn't a hope I was going over there when the Irish numbers were escalating and potentially be the one to be carrying it into another country.

well you're entitled to your opinion,I don't share it obviously
I think the answer or the fight against this pandemic in the absence of vaccines/cures lies with each individual socially distancing from those of unknown virus status and using all the other tools drummed into us for months now
The answer is not closing down tourism blanketedly
You just apply focused pre arrival or airport local fast turnaround testing to make outcomes better than the good that they already are

The primary and best prevention though being those habits drummed into us now,washing etc and social distancing
Doing those properly means no spread

Tenzor07

Mortelaro wrote: »

The answer is not closing down tourism blanketedly.You just apply focused pre arrival or airport local fast turnaround testing to make outcomes better than the good that they already are

That's a pipe dream unfortunately, try ringing the HSE and asking for a Covid test and you'll be told more or less to go get one yourself privately.
The Navy ship that was parked in Dublin city is gone, Croke park drive through centre is gone.

No use people coming on here angrily waving their keyboards demanding all the Airports and Ferries are shutdown, go email your T.D and ask them to bring in free testing and ensure incoming travellers are downloading the tracing app...

Ardillaun

ShineOn7 wrote: »

The Americas (all of them) are seriously skewing that number though no?

Apart from Sweden, Europe have pretty much controlled it now

Like Europe, the Americas are a mixed bag. Canada’s cases are mainly in two provinces, Quebec and Ontario, esp. the nursing homes of Quebec. This week, my Canadian province recorded its first new case in 43 days in a man returning from the US.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/covid19-newfoundland-labrador-july10-new-case-1.5644709

Movement within Canada is subject to various restrictions. In South America, Uruguay has done particularly well in keeping Covid out.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-30/in-midst-of-covid-chaos-one-latin-american-nation-gets-it-right

threeball

Mortelaro wrote: »

In all fairness,thats a very poor faith you have in hotels etc implementing covid 19 prevention regulations ,none of whom have an interest in cutting back on their cleaning regime
I'm failing to see how customers of hotels would not be equally hygienic as its in their own interests
Its all up to us now,we can be virus friendly or its enemy
Its biggest enemy is people following guidelines

I suppose they'll change the mattress every day just to be sure. You're away with the fairies. You haven't the foggiest how this disease operates.

Mortelaro

threeball wrote: »

I suppose they'll change the mattress every day just to be sure. You're away with the fairies. You haven't the foggiest how this disease operates.

No one is an expert but there's some rabid exaggeration

threeball

Mortelaro wrote: »

No one is an expert but there's some rabid exaggeration

You don't need to be an expert to understand that flying in dickheads that couldn't be bothered to do what it takes to control a disease in their own country definitely won't give a toss about transmitting it in ours. The yanks should be told to sling their hook in no uncertain terms until they get their house in order. Same for any other country with high transmission rates.

Mortelaro

threeball wrote: »

You don't need to be an expert to understand that flying in dickheads that couldn't be bothered to do what it takes to control a disease in their own country definitely won't give a toss about transmitting it in ours. The yanks should be told to sling their hook in no uncertain terms until they get their house in order. Same for any other country with high transmission rates.

Thats harsh
They're all dickheads
Its not as simple as that

BTW Boston's covid outcome with a population similar to Ireland but cooped up in a metro area is better than ours
New York has improved such that covid 19 positive tests are now only 0.8%

Chicago's is high alright at 2.6%

So Nope there aren't rivers of Covid flowing out of those planes I'd expect hardly any tbh

ShineOn7

At the top of page one of Reddit Ireland today


No mean feat on the same day the legendary Big Jack passed away

It's great to see momentum building for this

ACitizenErased

Letter template from Reddit.

Dear

I have concerns regarding the reports of American tourists entering and travelling around Ireland without any restrictions (by reports, none of them are isolating) This is an insult to the people in this country who went into lockdown, thousands losing their jobs and yet we done it willingly in order to protect the citizens of this country. Allowing visitors from the most infected country in the world to arrive on our shores is an absolute disgrace and more importantly it again puts our frontline workers in danger. The government needs to step up to the mark and either ban American tourists or put more stringent measures in place.

Kind regards

Send it to your local TDs.
https://www.whoismytd.com/
https://www.whoismytd.com/
https://www.whoismytd.com/

threeball

Mortelaro wrote: »

Thats harsh
They're all dickheads
Its not as simple as that

BTW Boston's covid outcome with a population similar to Ireland but cooped up in a metro area is better than ours
New York has improved such that covid 19 positive tests are now only 0.8%

Chicago's is high alright at 2.6%

So Nope there aren't rivers of Covid flowing out of those planes I'd expect hardly any tbh

And Dallas? A pretty small city but over 1000 cases a day. A state which railed against any kind of lockdown whatsoever. If you're so enamoured with the yanks, go live with them. At least 50% of them are irresponsible gob****es and we should bother trying to find out which 50% a particular tourist belongs to. Its more important with protect our economy and citizens.

ShineOn7

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Letter template from Reddit.


Send it to your local TDs.
https://www.whoismytd.com/
https://www.whoismytd.com/
https://www.whoismytd.com/

Thanks Citizen

What Reddit Ireland thread was that in today?

There was a few on this topic on page one alone

ACitizenErased

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Thanks Citizen

What Reddit Ireland thread was that in today?

There was a few on this topic on page one alone

In the comments of the link you posted.

ACitizenErased

I've done my bit anyway.

ShineOn7

ACitizenErased wrote: »

In the comments of the link you posted.

Thanks

There was 700 replies to it so hadn't seen them all

YellowBucket

Considering they’re getting 12% positivity rates on tests in some parts of Texas (up from 2% in early June) keeping those doors open seems incomprehensible.

Hrududu

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Letter template from Reddit.


Send it to your local TDs.
https://www.whoismytd.com/
https://www.whoismytd.com/
https://www.whoismytd.com/

If I were a TD and got 50 copies of the exact same email I’d probably not pay too much attention to them. Anyone can copy and paste. I think if people are going to email their TD they should write their own email. 50 emails that are all different but concerning the same topic would surely be more effective.

Everyone should bombard their Twitter, etc and keep it public. Too easy to for them to ignore a private email.

threeball

YellowBucket wrote: »

Considering they’re getting 12% positivity rates on tests in some parts of Texas (up from 2% in early June) keeping those doors open seems incomprehensible.

They're having Covid parties ffs. People who don't believe it an actual thing trying to prove their belief by having parties to see if they catch the virus. They've created a country where being thick as a brick is actively encouraged and rewarded. Theres no reason we should suffer for their Darwin award winning levels of stupidity.

threeball

threeball wrote: »

They're having Covid parties ffs. People who don't believe it an actual thing trying to prove their belief by having parties to see if they catch the virus. They've created a country where being thick as a brick is actively encouraged and rewarded. Theres no reason we should suffer for their Darwin award winning levels of stupidity.

And we leave our doors open to these imbeciles because we’ve always been whores for the american coin. Money > lives.

ChikiChiki

Amazing to see the hostility aimed at the general American population mainly in my opinion due to the administration they are governed by being complete fools. Their international standing has really declined.

Such a sad decline. I definitely agree that we need to stop flights right away for an indefinite period until they get a grip on the virus.

Away With The Fairies

I think they always wanted to go down herd immunity route. They only put restrictions in so that the hospitals didn't get overwhelmed. But now that the hospitals are doing ok, they don't really care.

Stheno

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I think they always wanted to go down herd immunity route. They only put restrictions in so that the hospitals didn't get overwhelmed. But now that the hospitals are doing ok, they don't really care.

Are you talking about Ireland?

There has to be a reason flights from America haven't been banned. It's not an oversight

My guess would be theres been strong pressure from the MNCs, that travel is affecting their operations here.
These things are always driven by money and nothing else adds up.

It's worth noting, that man who lived in Kildare who had a documentary made on him. He had a family farm and Intel or similar wanted his land.
In the end the IDA tried to force him out with a bogus CPO that he challenged all the way.

If we have verified examples of a Government department issuing bogus CPOs to satisfy American MNCs it's not a stretch to imagine they could force the Government into allowing Ireland be used as a base into the EU.

Away With The Fairies

Stheno wrote: »

Are you talking about Ireland?

Yes

Beechwoodspark

So angry having read the Sunday world article about the Texas flights and Americans swanning around Ireland.

My preferred option - all American flights (and other countries with an unacceptable r rate) banned

I could live with - enforced hotel quarantine with mandatory testing paid for by the arrivals