Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

Jinglejangle69

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Who would want to go to LanzaGrotty, feck sake we know the type. Plastic Irish pubs and home from home.

4 hours or a little more in a plane for that?

I'd absolutely love to go to Lanzarote now!!

Jesus I'd take 2 nights in Leitrim at this stage.

faceman

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I'd absolutely love to go to Lanzarote now!!

Jesus I'd take 2 nights in Leitrim at this stage.

Slow down Ted.


We fall short sending even hardened criminals to Leitrim

Jinglejangle69

faceman wrote: »

Slow down Ted.


We fall short sending even hardened criminals to Leitrim

faceman

faceman wrote: »

This site gives a better snapshot of up to date cases and 14 day rates for the Canaries. Lanzarote is comparable with Ireland at present. However other areas are in way better shape with little or no covid.

Don’t tell the media about the good areas though. It will go against the TRAVEL BAD OK narrative

https://cvcanarias.com/en

Would hazard a guess the Lanzarote issues were caused by us (and the brits), than the other way around

Tenzor07

Deleted User wrote: »

Would hazard a guess the Lanzarote issues were caused by us (and the brits), than the other way around

Don't be so quick to blame visitors who arrived as Tourists.....

normanoffside

Deleted User wrote: »

Would hazard a guess the Lanzarote issues were caused by us (and the brits), than the other way around

It's widely recognised in Lanzarote that it was caused by celebrations over Christmas. Packed bars, House parties many returning locals from the mainland and Europe.
There were big celebrations on Christmas, New years and 5th January (3 kings) hence the delay in Spike compared to Ireland (about 2 weeks behind).
Numbers have dropped this week despite outdoor hospitality and retail remaining open throughout the harsher restrictions.

faceman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Would hazard a guess the Lanzarote issues were caused by us (and the brits), than the other way around

U.K. tourists haven’t been permitted in Spain since end of December...

gozunda

faceman wrote: »

This site gives a better snapshot of up to date cases and 14 day rates for the Canaries. Lanzarote is comparable with Ireland at present. However other areas are in way better shape with little or no covid.

Don’t tell the media about the good areas though. It will go against the TRAVEL BAD OK narrative

https://cvcanarias.com/en

To stay in context and not wandering off from Lanzarote to the other islands of the Canaries

But sure if we're pushing the 'sure its all grand lads - nothing to see here' narrative then that's fine. Otherwise maybe best to stick with the facts that Lanzarote is the only Island currently at the highest level warning for the Canaries

And from your link - it also is reporting the highest 7 and 14 day incidence rate in the Canaries.



As you said Lanzarote is indeed comparable with Ireland at present its best to avoid.

It would be a bit mean of us at the highest level to be descending on "other areas ... with little or no covid" test or no test

Per government advice

"Do not travel overseas for non-essential purposes"

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/e40d7-travelling-outside-of-ireland/?referrer=http://www.gov.ie/en/publication/e4ea6-travelling-abroad-from-ireland/

Potatoeman

If you’re coming from Brazil you need a test 24 before the flight and a test within 5 days of landing. This is checked before they board the flight and by immigration when they land. The problem was countries where no test was needed. All the Irish coming home from the UK at Christmas caused this outbreak and no test even needed. Some even fly to Belfast and had family collect them.

DavidJC

Potatoeman wrote: »

If you’re coming from Brazil you need a test 24 before the flight and a test within 5 days of landing. This is checked before they board the flight and by immigration when they land. The problem was countries where no test was needed. All the Irish coming home from the UK at Christmas caused this outbreak and no test even needed. Some even fly to Belfast and had family collect them.

You need a test 72 hours before actually. I think this should be reduced to catch more cases as a lot can happen in 72 hours. The fear is results not being back in time perhaps?


Source: https://www.dfa.ie/travel/travel-advice/a-z-list-of-countries/brazil/

Potatoeman

DavidJC wrote: »

You need a test 72 hours before actually. I think this should be reduced to catch more cases as a lot can happen in 72 hours. The fear is results not being back in time perhaps?


Source: https://www.dfa.ie/travel/travel-advice/a-z-list-of-countries/brazil/

That includes the flight time.

ginoginelli

Potatoeman wrote: »

If you’re coming from Brazil you need a test 24 before the flight and a test within 5 days of landing. This is checked before they board the flight and by immigration when they land. The problem was countries where no test was needed. All the Irish coming home from the UK at Christmas caused this outbreak and no test even needed. Some even fly to Belfast and had family collect them.

There are no direct flights from Brazil here.

People are just flying in from Portugal and they dont have to abide by the stricter rules, which aren't even in place yet anyway.

Ireland is now also being used as a backdoor into Britain from their red countries as they wont need to isolate.

It's a shambles.

a_squirrelman

ginoginelli wrote: »

There are no direct flights from Brazil here.

People are just flying in from Portugal and they dont have to abide by the stricter rules, which aren't even in place yet anyway.

Ireland is now also being used as a backdoor into Britain from their red countries as they wont need to isolate.

It's a shambles.

You're just making things up, a quick google showed me the following:
"Flights from the United Kingdom and from Brazil
All commercial or private flights between Portugal and the United Kingdom and between Portugal and Brazil are suspended.

Except for the right of entry for national citizens and their families and holders of residence permits in Portugal, only on flights of a humanitarian nature for the purpose of repatriation of those citizens. These passengers will have to present, at the time of departure, proof of a RT-PCR test with a negative result, carried out within 72 hours prior to departure time."


So pretty much the same rules, a PCR test.

On your Ireland being used as a backdoor point, that is pure speculation.

gozunda

Out of interest - which laws in the UK make all leisure / holiday travel illegal?

COVID-19 Travel

Under current UK COVID-19 restrictions, you must stay at home. You must not travel, including abroad, unless you have a legally permitted reason to do so. It is illegal to travel abroad for holidays and other leisure purposes. Check the rules that apply to you in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/travel-advice-novel-coronavirus

How come that outside the 5 Km rule that in Ireland we have an advisory restriction only?

Do not travel overseas for non-essential purposes

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/e40d7-travelling-outside-of-ireland/?referrer=http://www.gov.ie/en/publication/e4ea6-travelling-abroad-from-ireland/

ginoginelli

a_squirrelman wrote: »

You're just making things up, a quick google showed me the following:
"Flights from the United Kingdom and from Brazil
All commercial or private flights between Portugal and the United Kingdom and between Portugal and Brazil are suspended.

Except for the right of entry for national citizens and their families and holders of residence permits in Portugal, only on flights of a humanitarian nature for the purpose of repatriation of those citizens. These passengers will have to present, at the time of departure, proof of a RT-PCR test with a negative result, carried out within 72 hours prior to departure time."


So pretty much the same rules, a PCR test.

On your Ireland being used as a backdoor point, that is pure speculation.

Portugal literally suspended flights from Brazil today for 2 weeks. Point still stands that there is nothing to stop people from brazil flying into another airport in Europe and then continuing on to Ireland. It's a vital issue that needs to be addressed.

In regards to the backdoor for britain, there have been plenty of anecdotal reports already, it stands to reason as well, it's a clear path in for those who want to evade the rules.

Tenzor07

ginoginelli wrote: »

Portugal literally suspended flights from Brazil today for 2 weeks. Point still stands that there is nothing to stop people from brazil flying into another airport in Europe and then continuing on to Ireland. It's a vital issue that needs to be addressed..

Apart from the suspension of travel visas for Brazilians who want to come to Ireland?

a_squirrelman

ginoginelli wrote: »

Portugal literally suspended flights from Brazil today for 2 weeks. Point still stands that there is nothing to stop people from brazil flying into another airport in Europe and then continuing on to Ireland. It's a vital issue that needs to be addressed.

In regards to the backdoor for britain, there have been plenty of anecdotal reports already, it stands to reason as well, it's a clear path in for those who want to evade the rules.

But most countries have the 72 hour PCR test rule. So those from Brazil need it to get in.

I don't have time to go checking online the rules in every country in the EU but a quick check shows:
France - All passengers from non-EU countries, 72 hour PCR test.
Germany - Passengers from high risk or virus varient area, 48 hour old test.

gozunda

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Apart from the suspension of travel visas for Brazilians who want to come to Ireland?

No the suspension was for all 'visa free' travel from Brazil and most S. American countries.

They are still processing visa for travel for long stay purposes

“Anyone wishing to travel from these countries for essential purposes must apply for a visa online, and these will be considered with assistance from the relevant Irish embassy on a case by case basis,” a spokesman for the Minister said.

“Generally only applications for long stay visas granted for essential purposes are being considered.” 

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/visa-free-travel-banned-from-most-south-american-countries-and-south-africa-1.4470082

Tenzor07

gozunda wrote: »

“Generally only applications for long stay visas granted for essential purposes are being considered.” 

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/visa-free-travel-banned-from-most-south-american-countries-and-south-africa-1.4470082

What's the problem so, people coming here for work/education would only apply for long term visas, and is considered essential travel, plus they'll have a negative PCR and then quarantine after that?

Potatoeman

ginoginelli wrote: »

Portugal literally suspended flights from Brazil today for 2 weeks. Point still stands that there is nothing to stop people from brazil flying into another airport in Europe and then continuing on to Ireland. It's a vital issue that needs to be addressed.

In regards to the backdoor for britain, there have been plenty of anecdotal reports already, it stands to reason as well, it's a clear path in for those who want to evade the rules.

They still need to pass through immigration, show their flight plans and related documents.

gozunda

Tenzor07 wrote: »

What's the problem so, people coming here for work/education would only apply for long term visas, and is considered essential travel, plus they'll have a negative PCR and then quarantine after that?

Erh did I say there was a problem with the new system? We'll just have to see how it works out. Its certainly seems an improvement eitherway.

jackofalltrades

faceman wrote: »

Irish Examiner looked at a wider spread of data from this week and found just 1/3 of people travelling were holiday makers. This makes more sense given there aren't daily flights to holiday hot spots anymore. Some destinations are one flight a week.

Around a 1/3 is still way too high. There's no excuse for taking a foreign holiday during a pandemic.

faceman wrote:

Paul Reid also "doesn't think too much focus should be on the risk from international travel."

With the meat plant outbreak affected 220 people it would be great to see the mob shift their focus to looking for more regulation and enforcement around workplaces.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/28-people-arrived-at-dublin-airport-this-week-without-negative-covid-test-1072283.html

What he said was.

Mr Reid said: “We've seen a lot of public focus shifts at different times and in different waves, to different areas that might be the cause or result of the high transmission levels.”

He added: “On occasions that has been meat plants, sometimes Direct Provision centres, sometimes a perception of schools, or young people, or indeed now travel.”

From those quotes he's misunderstanding the public's view.
People aren't worried that foreign travel is resulting in high transmission levels.
They're worried that a variant will arrive on our shores through foreign travel that will make vaccines ineffective, potentially leading to never ending restrictions.

Tenzor07

gozunda wrote: »

Erh did I say there was a problem with the new system? We'll just have to see how it works out. Its certainly seems an improvement eitherway.

Glad you're happy about the final solution to the issue...

gozunda

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Glad you're happy about the final solution to the issue...

Ah I see you've still a bit mixed up. You now know that this is incorrect.

Tenzor07 wrote:

Apart from the suspension of travel visas for Brazilians who want to come to Ireland?

And they haven't banned visa travel from Brazil at all.

Anyway sorted and no bother at all. Glad I could help. If you need to know anything else just ask

theguzman

Could a Brazilian citizen fly from Rio de Janeiro to Frankfurt and then fly into Ireland the following day on a one way flight? Short stay visas have been cancelled as far as I can see.

theguzman

theguzman wrote: »

Could a Brazilian citizen fly from Rio de Janeiro to Frankfurt and then fly into Ireland the following day on a one way flight? Short stay visas have been cancelled as far as I can see.

No they could not. They would have to apply for a long stay visa, which would require the department to be conform that there is an essential need

gozunda

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No they could not. They would have to apply for a long stay visa, which would require the department to be conform that there is an essential need

The only possible exception to that I can think of are who hold joint EU country / S. American country passports and where they fly into another EU country and then to here using their EU passport.

a_squirrelman

People really have Brazilians in their sights around here. Sure have to have someone to blame.

gozunda

a_squirrelman wrote: »

People really have Brazilians in their sights around here. Sure have to have someone to blame.

Maybe have a word with the government and their recent changes to entry requirements for travellers from S America etc following issues with a new covid strain and the newspapers etc for reporting on same for someone to 'blame" ...

:rolleyes:

ginoginelli

a_squirrelman wrote: »

People really have Brazilians in their sights around here. Sure have to have someone to blame.

You are completely missing the point, it's nothing to do with Brazilians as a people and everything to do with the virus and variants.

Personally I love having the Brazilian people here. In my experience they're generally a hardworking and friendly bunch. Particularly the ones that get the chance to reside here after their student visa.

The only people that seem to have a problem with them are the usual anti mask, anti restriction, xenophobic dummies on the dole, that are now ironically fawning outrage at the ban to suit their own agenda.