Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

doublejobbing 2

faceman wrote: »

Nonsense. Have you even research the topic? What are you basing your science on? NZ? Australia?

If you think we would have went from 9 cases per day in July, to tens of thousands in January, 75 to 90% of which were of a variant that didn't exist in Ireland prior to December, you are trolling.

Says it all really. :rolleyes:

Indeed it says it all. If there was any justice the clowns who came home would be put on some public shaming list.

Maths isn't your strong point either.

The type of gimp who cared so little about society around them to travel against advice is clearly going to be at a higher risk of being a carrier than the general population, so lower than 1 in 30.

Yep, you've read the weekly HSPC reports right. Yay.

Would this be by the same crowd who released a report saying pubs were solely responsible for a minor surge in September, in a report that ignored the re opening of schools and colleges as a factor?

You're either on a wind up or you are mates with Simon Harris.

DaSilva

With the virus so widespread in our community and in all the countries not just the 20 deemed as "high-risk", this whole hotel quarantine thing is purely theatre. Those screaming for it the loudest are guaranteed to be those completely unaffected by it, everyone else will simply be unaffected by its supposed protections.

If these strains really can cause reinfection in a large portion of previously immune they will get here or just emerge here regardless of the "make me feel safe" half baked hotel quarantine plans

Banana Republic 1

DaSilva wrote: »

With the virus so widespread in our community and in all the countries not just the 20 deemed as "high-risk", this whole hotel quarantine thing is purely theatre. Those screaming for it the loudest are guaranteed to be those completely unaffected by it, everyone else will simply be unaffected by its supposed protections.

If these strains really can cause reinfection in a large portion of previously immune they will get here or just emerge here regardless of the "make me feel safe" half baked hotel quarantine plans

Your right the virus comes in on horse back shur !

doublejobbing 2

DaSilva wrote: »

With the virus so widespread in our community and in all the countries not just the 20 deemed as "high-risk", this whole hotel quarantine thing is purely theatre.

The mandatory quarantine list is sheer comedy.

"Right, so we need to make it look we are doing quarantine, but we don't want to interfere with European Freedom of Movement. Nor do we want to be policing thousands of people in hotels"

"Hmm. Right. Pick a load of random African countries that we have next to nobody coming from anyway. Stick Austria in there as well for some reason"

"What about the UK and US? Or Poland, Lithuania and Romania? Aren't they our some of our busiest routes?"

"We can't mess with our ex pats. And the East European one would be attacked as racist, I'm not even going there"

faceman

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

If you think we would have went from 9 cases per day in July, to tens of thousands in January, 75 to 90% of which were of a variant that didn't exist in Ireland prior to December, you are trolling.



Indeed it says it all. If there was any justice the clowns who came home would be put on some public shaming list.




The type of gimp who cared so little about society around them to travel against advice is clearly going to be at a higher risk of being a carrier than the general population, so lower than 1 in 30.




Would this be by the same crowd who released a report saying pubs were solely responsible for a minor surge in September, in a report that ignored the re opening of schools and colleges as a factor?

You're either on a wind up or you are mates with Simon Harris.

Mates with Simon Harris? Maybe I am Simon Harris

Seriously though, your tone is suggesting that lockdown is getting to you. Is your mental health suffering from all the restrictions? Well, we know what you think of mental health during a pandemic

Joking aside, you are pretty much advocating for a totalitarian governance of the state....

votecounts

Surprised there has not been more uproar tegarding the US soldiers not having covid tests coming in to shannon and then staying in limerick and clare unchecked. Is there any politician willing give out about this as they posed a huge risk to the local community.

maestroamado

votecounts wrote: »

Surprised there has not been more uproar tegarding the US soldiers not having covid tests coming in to shannon and then staying in limerick and clare unchecked. Is there any politician willing give out about this as they posed a huge risk to the local community.

Aargh sure their grand??

normanoffside

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

The type of gimp who cared so little about society around them to travel against advice is clearly going to be at a higher risk of being a carrier than the general population, so lower than 1 in 30.

The definition of a gimp is a submissive person who follows orders and does exactly what they are told by their betters.

You've described the exact opposite type of person.

IngazZagni

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

If Ireland had closed its borders to tourism in July we would have days, even weeks in a row with zero cases. There would always be a handful of cases from truckers, airline crews, ship crews but nothing unmanageable. Reduced capacity pubs and sporting events would be allowed, the only things still closed would be nightclubs and probably some concerts (concert licenses would probably be granted on how likely the attendees were to drink heavily and end up at parties afterwards). it.

This is pure fantasy and is being pushed by populist politicians.

The difference between us and New Zealand from a practical point of view is night and day. For example we have 6,000 HGV’s that cross our land border every day. New Zealand would have 0. We have hundreds of trucks arriving on roll on roll off ferries from Britain and mainland Europe every day. New Zealand has 0 roll on roll off ferries from outside the Country.

Even a tiny amount of those testing positive would have a huge effect on our covid rate by your very own argument against me relating to an international traveller. (Sean coming from London)

Ireland can’t have a zero covid policy barring a collective 2 island approach. However with the arrival of the vaccine and the natural decline of coronavirus in the summer season we should hopefully see very low numbers this summer.

agoodpunt

covid came in last march its here now we are trying to save 80+ yr olds while killing our healthy and the ecomomy for what and not a leader in sight only never ending lockdown

ShineOn7

Where the fcuk is this hotel quarantine system for the 20 Red countries?

Such a slow, slow, slow "government"

A year on and still behaving like a child who needs to be dragged kicking and screaming to do this

faceman

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Where the fcuk is this hotel quarantine system for the 20 Red countries?

Such a slow, slow, slow "government"

A year on and still behaving like a child who needs to be dragged kicking and screaming to do this

What does it matter now, Mehole leaked another 9 weeks of lockdown to the media last night

Banana Republic 1

IngazZagni wrote: »

This is pure fantasy and is being pushed by populist politicians.

The difference between us and New Zealand from a practical point of view is night and day. For example we have 6,000 HGV’s that cross our land border every day. New Zealand would have 0. We have hundreds of trucks arriving on roll on roll off ferries from Britain and mainland Europe every day. New Zealand has 0 roll on roll off ferries from outside the Country.

Even a tiny amount of those testing positive would have a huge effect on our covid rate by your very own argument against me relating to an international traveller. (Sean coming from London)

Ireland can’t have a zero covid policy barring a collective 2 island approach. However with the arrival of the vaccine and the natural decline of coronavirus in the summer season we should hopefully see very low numbers this summer.

The natural decline in summer bit is fake news. South Africa and Brazil are in there summer and it’s out of control.

faceman

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

The natural decline in summer bit is fake news. South Africa and Brazil are in there summer and it’s out of control.

It’s fair to say the summer time is the virus’ favourite time of year because we spend more times outdoors and than in. But yes, it doesn’t go in to hibernation and is still as contagious

basill

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Where the fcuk is this hotel quarantine system for the 20 Red countries?

Such a slow, slow, slow "government"

A year on and still behaving like a child who needs to be dragged kicking and screaming to do this

It doesn't matter very few of them are travelling anyway and have tested negative. Stop believing all the tripe you are fed. Look at the demographics and increase in transmissibility. It's all close contacts in areas where there is communal living. So when you want your curry for under a tenner delivered in 20mins or strawberries in the middle of winter consider where all these gig workers live if the average working class person in Ireland cannot afford to buy a house. I can assure you there is not going to be any chance of self isolation in a 2/3 bedroom apartment with 8 people rotating through the beds during the day.

Quarantine will do little it's pure optics. Vaccines will stop the old and vulnerable from dying and reduce the strain on the hospital system since the government has clearly raised the white flag and given up on doing anything there. Clearly having the lowest level of ICU capacity across the EU went over their heads or perhaps they are just admitting that after the children's hospital fiasco that they do not have the skills to manage a major infrastructure project which in itself is some admission.

Effectively we are heading towards herd immunity for the general population and we will be let out and to travel again once the EU say so.

scouserstation

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

The natural decline in summer bit is fake news. South Africa and Brazil are in there summer and it’s out of control.

No its not, both these countries are starting to return to some sense of normal

Eric Cartman

Why didnt anyone in government have the balls to just close off travel in december. If we had have banned flights from the UK we could have saved ourselves this spectacle of the new strain and had a route to exit level 5, instead we put on more planes to move the selfish and ignorant home for the christmas and now here we are, further from freedom

Banana Republic 1

scouserstation wrote: »

No its not, both these countries are starting to return to some sense of normal

The virus does not into hibernation in the summer.

For Forks Sake

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Why didnt anyone in government have the balls to just close off travel in december. If we had have banned flights from the UK we could have saved ourselves this spectacle of the new strain and had a route to exit level 5, instead we put on more planes to move the selfish and ignorant home for the christmas and now here we are, further from freedom

Because then RTE/Newstalk et al would have bombarded us with wailing mothers and fathers lamenting that the government wouldn't let their Johnny or Mary come and see their long-suffering parents at Christmas

Instead we got Johnny and Mary flying into Dublin, or thinking they were clever and going via the North untested and unchecked, saying hi, and then turning into superspreaders for a fortnight.

DaSilva

Guys, these border closures are theatre.

If we had closed our borders with China early on, it wouldn't have mattered because it would have come from Italy.
If we closed our borders with Italy, it wouldn't have mattered because it would have come from the UK
If we closed our borders with the UK, it wouldn't have mattered because it would have come from Spain (last summer's strain everyone has forgotten about now)

On and on...

It's here now, most people who are catching it are catching it from other Irish people, that has pretty much been the rule since it first got here. If you think the S.Afrian strain is only in those 20 "red" list countries you are delusional.

It will get here. And guess what, it wont matter.

But sure, go ahead and demand someone does something, anything, please, I need to feel like we are in control

Dyr

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

The mandatory quarantine list is sheer comedy.

"Right, so we need to make it look we are doing quarantine, but we don't want to interfere with European Freedom of Movement. Nor do we want to be policing thousands of people in hotels"

TBH thats the core of the governments whole approach, ride the citizens like tramore donkeys and tank the economy but lets not rock the boat in Europe or do anything that requires effort or enforcement on our part. Sure we'll get RTE to do a hatchet job on people leaving the country while ignoring the ****ers coming in, that should distract everyone

Dyr

IngazZagni wrote: »

This is pure fantasy and is being pushed by populist politicians.

The difference between us and New Zealand from a practical point of view is night and day. For example we have 6,000 HGV’s that cross our land border every day. New Zealand would have 0. We have hundreds of trucks arriving on roll on roll off ferries from Britain and mainland Europe every day. New Zealand has 0 roll on roll off ferries from outside the Country.

Even a tiny amount of those testing positive would have a huge effect on our covid rate by your very own argument against me relating to an international traveller. (Sean coming from London)

Ireland can’t have a zero covid policy barring a collective 2 island approach. However with the arrival of the vaccine and the natural decline of coronavirus in the summer season we should hopefully see very low numbers this summer.

So by that logic we're wasting our time restricting access to our hospitals, sure we have deliveries. cleaners, catering in every day, might as well let the general public wander around the wards as well so.

Banana Republic 1

DaSilva wrote: »

Guys, these border closures are theatre.

If we had closed our borders with China early on, it wouldn't have mattered because it would have come from Italy.
If we closed our borders with Italy, it wouldn't have mattered because it would have come from the UK
If we closed our borders with the UK, it wouldn't have mattered because it would have come from Spain (last summer's strain everyone has forgotten about now)

On and on...

It's here now, most people who are catching it are catching it from other Irish people, that has pretty much been the rule since it first got here. If you think the S.Afrian strain is only in those 20 "red" list countries you are delusional.

It will get here. And guess what, it wont matter.

But sure, go ahead and demand someone does something, anything, please, I need to feel like we are in control

They are now a year on. I keep hearing Ireland has the harshest lockdown restrictions in Europe but in the background you have the classic Irish thing of not enforcing those rules.
There is also the school boy stuff going on with MM and the leak Leo, it reminds me of the line from the untouchables, “he sends one of our guys to the hospital we’ll send one of yours to the morgue. The reason for all this communication balls is that there both scrambling to their message out. Joke the lot of them....

IngazZagni

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Why didnt anyone in government have the balls to just close off travel in december. If we had have banned flights from the UK we could have saved ourselves this spectacle of the new strain and had a route to exit level 5, instead we put on more planes to move the selfish and ignorant home for the christmas and now here we are, further from freedom

We banned flights from the UK on December 20th I believe. What happened then? The flights from Britain to Belfast in the subsequent few days instantly sold out.

faceman

The U.K. is giving consideration this week to the US and Spain to their red list meaning only U.K. citizens and residents can travel to and from with hotel detention centre quarantine required when landing in the U.K.

Likely to be retaliation for Spain and the US ban on U.K. travelers. (Just like what they did with Mauritius)

maestroamado

IngazZagni wrote: »

We banned flights from the UK on December 20th I believe. What happened then? The flights from Britain to Belfast in the subsequent few days instantly sold out.

We alloewed people to travel to Spain from Dublin without test after Spain decided to say requirement from UK airports travelling to Spain.
People were allowed break the law as there is no law for this??

Danno

FROM: https://www.thejournal.ie/three-cases-covid-19-variant-brazil-ireland-5360414-Feb2021/

Three cases of new Covid-19 variant, first identified in Brazil, reported in Ireland

Dr Glynn outlined that anyone who has recently travelled from Brazil, or any of the other 19 countries designated by the Minister of Health as Category 2, is required by law to quarantine at home for 14 days.

“In addition, any such passengers should phone any GP or GP out-of-hours service to arrange a free Covid-19 test. The test should be done five days after you arrive in Ireland or as soon as possible after those five days. Whatever the result of the test, you must complete the 14-day period of quarantine,” he said.

All passengers from overseas, regardless of originating country, are required by law to quarantine at home for 14 days.

Well done open borders brigade, take a bow.

I suppose the open borders brigade will somehow shoehorn in blame for Irish people breaking restrictions and downing pints in shebeens when this variant ramps up in the coming weeks, as sure as the sun rises in the morning no doubt.

DaSilva

Danno wrote: »

FROM: https://www.thejournal.ie/three-cases-covid-19-variant-brazil-ireland-5360414-Feb2021/



Well done open borders brigade, take a bow.

I suppose the open borders brigade will somehow shoehorn in blame for Irish people breaking restrictions and downing pints in shebeens when this variant ramps up in the coming weeks, as sure as the sun rises in the morning no doubt.

I am against the border restrictions because I see this as inevitable. Not to mention, it only punishes countries who actively do genomic monitoring. Plus it hasn't even been really demonstrated that these strains actually really matter. So far AZ's vaccine trial (which is run in the 3 countries with these doom strains, UK/SA/Brazil) has had 0 hospitalisations or deaths in the vaccine arm of the trial.

ShineOn7

Danno wrote: »

FROM: https://www.thejournal.ie/three-cases-covid-19-variant-brazil-ireland-5360414-Feb2021/

Three cases of new Covid-19 variant, first identified in Brazil, reported in Ireland

All cases are being followed up by public health teams and enhanced public health measures have been put in place, in line with guidance.

If you're religious or even spiritual, it's best you pray to whatever you believe in

Because, on top of the Kent variant, if this Brazilian one spreads in Ireland then we are completely fúcked

As in "no amount of current Restrictions will stop thousands of cases a day if both the Kent and Brazilian variants team up" kinda fúcked

And yet:

STILL THE AIRPORTS ARE OPEN WITHOUT HOTEL QUARANTINE FOR RED COUNTRIES! :mad:

DaSilva

ShineOn7 wrote: »

As in "no amount of current Restrictions will stop thousands of cases a day if both the Kent and Brazilian variants team up" kinda fúcked

This is hysterical nonsense, what can a hybrid Brazilian-Kent virus travel through walls?

The same vaccines being rolled out now will still work against these variants, and I'm sure our eventual Dublin variant when one of our local lab workers makes their career defining Twitter fame discovery of a previously unnamed isolate