Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Why didnt anyone in government have the balls to just close off travel in december. If we had have banned flights from the UK we could have saved ourselves this spectacle of the new strain and had a route to exit level 5, instead we put on more planes to move the selfish and ignorant home for the christmas and now here we are, further from freedom

By the time it was identified, it was already here.

We are an Ireland that completely relies on ferries and airplanes to bring in supplies. We cannot simple stop travel because I'm December we wear still reliant on china for our ppe supplies!

The masks people are wearing are probable Chinese

ShineOn7

DaSilva wrote: »

This is hysterical nonsense

Let's see who's right 3-4 weeks from now if this Brazilian variant gets community transmission traction

saabsaab

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

By the time it was identified, it was already here.

We are an Ireland that completely relies on ferries and airplanes to bring in supplies. We cannot simple stop travel because I'm December we wear still reliant on china for our ppe supplies!

The masks people are wearing are probable Chinese

Who's talking about stopping all travel? just unnecessary travel. We may stop this virus with the vaccine but if we import a resistant variant then we may be back to square one. Why?

Danno

DaSilva wrote: »

This is hysterical nonsense, what can a hybrid Brazilian-Kent virus travel through walls?

It can't, you're right. But it can travel through air-routes and sea-routes as the evidence quite clearly shows...

saabsaab

saabsaab wrote: »

Who's talking about stopping all travel? just unnecessary travel. We may stop this virus with the vaccine but if we import a resistant variant then we may be back to square one. Why?

Eric cartman, the person I answered and quoted in my reply was talking about all travel.

scouserstation

ShineOn7 wrote: »

If you're religious or even spiritual, it's best you pray to whatever you believe in

Because, on top of the Kent variant, if this Brazilian one spreads in Ireland then we are completely fúcked

As in "no amount of current Restrictions will stop thousands of cases a day if both the Kent and Brazilian variants team up" kinda fúcked

And yet:

STILL THE AIRPORTS ARE OPEN WITHOUT HOTEL QUARANTINE FOR RED COUNTRIES! :mad:

We really need to get over this obsession with different variants, it does nothing but drive fear and hysteria, by nature viruses mutate into different strains, its the same with influenza, there are different strains every year, its why they tweak the flu vaccine every season,
In South africa and Brazil they are living their lives as normal, Id suggest we start doing the same over here

faceman

ShineOn7 wrote: »

If you're religious or even spiritual, it's best you pray to whatever you believe in

Because, on top of the Kent variant, if this Brazilian one spreads in Ireland then we are completely fúcked

As in "no amount of current Restrictions will stop thousands of cases a day if both the Kent and Brazilian variants team up" kinda fúcked

And yet:

STILL THE AIRPORTS ARE OPEN WITHOUT HOTEL QUARANTINE FOR RED COUNTRIES! :mad:

Hi Sam McConkey

Millions of people will die of this strain gets a hold of us! Brazilian tanks will be on O’Connell street! Dogs and cats living together!

The only reason it could spread through Ireland is if people don’t follow the level 5 rules which are here to stay till May

Banana Republic 1

DaSilva wrote: »

I am against the border restrictions because I see this as inevitable. Not to mention, it only punishes countries who actively do genomic monitoring. Plus it hasn't even been really demonstrated that these strains actually really matter. So far AZ's vaccine trial (which is run in the 3 countries with these doom strains, UK/SA/Brazil) has had 0 hospitalisations or deaths in the vaccine arm of the trial.

Tell that to the dead.

subpar

The arrival of the Brazil Variant was both predictable and avoidable.

The Irish Authorities are to blame for this.

Danno

faceman wrote: »

The only reason it could spread through Ireland is if thegovernment don’t fully enact border controlrules which are here to stay till May

Fixed your post.

The Irish people have had enough, those of us who didn't travel and adhered to the rules demonstrated this last summer by successfully suppressing the virus to low single digits. Every re-emergence of the virus since last August is solely because of international travel. This is established fact. Locking down the vast majority of people to 5km while allowing international travel is akin to pi$$in down our backs and telling us we're sweating.
This government can go take a long walk off a short plank with its selective restrictions. #HoldFirm and #WereAllInThisTogether are totally meaningless now.

beggars_bush

Maybe stop granting new work permits to Brazilians to move here to work in meat factories?

tom1ie

So seen as we now have the Brazilian and the British b119 variant do we have an example in another country of which variant will become dominant?
We know the vaccines at the moment are effective against the British and I think the Brazilian strains.
The only strain we are worried about is the South African strain as the effacacy of one of the vaccines gets lowered to approx 60%.
It’s probably inevitable that the South African strain will get here but I wonder which strain will be the dominant?
Ireland will probably end up being the Petri dish of the world for this.

basill

beggars_bush wrote: »

Maybe stop granting new work permits to Brazilians to move here to work in meat factories?

You going to go and do the job for them? Buy strawberries from Dunnes in the middle of winter? Order fastfood on your smart phone and want it delivered to your door in 20mins? Order your xmas presents online and get them delivered by someone in a 01 Nissan? How many Irish are to posh to wash their own floors so require a cleaner, wash their cars or care for the children and cannot do without an au pair? Who is laying the bricks on all these new housing estates that we supposedly need.


Be careful what you wish for.

Rodin

basill wrote: »

You going to go and do the job for them? Buy strawberries from Dunnes in the middle of winter? Order fastfood on your smart phone and want it delivered to your door in 20mins? Order your xmas presents online and get them delivered by someone in a 01 Nissan? How many Irish are to posh to wash their own floors so require a cleaner, wash their cars or care for the children and cannot do without an au pair? Who is laying the bricks on all these new housing estates that we supposedly need.


Be careful what you wish for.

Most of those tasks are non-essential.
The government's failure to block importation of new viruses will be one of the biggest scandals in the post-Covid inquiry and a major cause of mortality and morbidity in this country.

ginoginelli

What really galls me is the goverments personal resposiblity line. (Which is essentially a way of abdicating themselves from any blame btw) while still letting people fly in from these highly infected regions zones.

How about they took some responsibility and did their ****ing jobs properly!!?? Gob****es.

Wanderer2010

The recent Shannon cases prove how utterly submissive we are to the USA. Bad enough that there wasnt a peep from any of our overpaid politicians the last 4 years on the antics of headerball Trump. Not a single comment or word of criticism in relation to the Wall, the covid 19 policies or the anarchy on the streets. Our leaders are too petrified of losing the multi nationals who set up home here for a pittance corporation tax. And of course we love the little pat on the head from the President on Paddys Day.
Last year, thousands of tourists from virus-ravaged states in the USA were allowed to fly in, travel up and down the whole country, staying in hotels , eating in bars and potentially spreading the virus everywhere. Not a word said about that. We are so loud in our policies of controlling the influx of people from our European neighbouring countries but our leaders look the other way when it comes to the States. Even Coveney looked weak the other night as he fobbed off the issue, saying a report will be issued. He didnt want to know!

basill

Rodin wrote: »

Most of those tasks are non-essential.
The government's failure to block importation of new viruses will be one of the biggest scandals in the post-Covid inquiry and a major cause of mortality and morbidity in this country.

No it won't. You live in a global world of free movement and enjoy its benefits. What will be called into question is the governments reaction to the virus, its lack of contact tracing, ICU capacity, targeted and enforced quarantines (where warranted), localised and enforced lockdowns, covid testing (both within the country and pre entry), adequate PPE, allowing people to die in nursing homes without adequate medical care etc etc.


We now find ourselves in an ironic situation where in order to suppress the virus we have to decide if we start vaccinating the travelling community and those employed in the gig economy as a matter of priority. The stats are there for all to see of where the hotspots are within the country. Rest assured it isn't at the door of the 3 poor Brazilians that had negative PCR tests on arrival and will now no doubt be hunted down by RTE to fit the current media agenda.

basill

Rodin wrote: »

Most of those tasks are non-essential.
The government's failure to block importation of new viruses will be one of the biggest scandals in the post-Covid inquiry and a major cause of mortality and morbidity in this country.

No it won't. You live in a global world of free movement and enjoy its benefits. What will be called into question is the governments reaction to the virus, its lack of contact tracing, ICU capacity, targeted and enforced quarantines (where warranted), localised and enforced lockdowns, covid testing (both within the country and pre entry), adequate PPE, allowing people to die in nursing homes without adequate medical care etc etc.

We now find ourselves in an ironic situation where in order to suppress the virus we have to decide if we start vaccinating the travelling community and those employed in the gig economy as a matter of priority. The stats are there for all to see of where the hotspots are within the country. Rest assured it isn't at the door of the 3 poor Brazilians that had negative PCR tests on arrival and will now no doubt be hunted down by RTE to fit the current media and government agenda which to be clear is attempting to shift and divert attention from their continued incompetence.

Rodin

I don't care if they have negative PCR tests.

Ever heard of false negatives/positives or even falsifying records?

Everyone who flies/sails into this country except essential haulage should be in govt. quarantine.
What will then happen is people simply don't travel.

In terms of dealing with virus the very first thing is to stop importing potentially more virulent strains. Instead the govt. is 'urging' people to get tested. Too late. The variant is already here.

Meat factories have had outbreaks already and now we've potentially introduced a new strain there.
The price of our domestic freedom is the restriction of international travel. Im happy to pay that price and get on with living.

zell12

Pearse Doherty just said on Radio1 that 10% of Brazilians are testing positive for C19 on arrival.
Anyone know where he got the figures?

a_squirrelman

zell12 wrote: »

Pearse Doherty just said on Radio1 that 10% of Brazilians are testing positive for C19 on arrival.
Anyone know where he got the figures?

From thin air I imagine.

zell12

a_squirrelman wrote: »

From thin air I imagine.

Found it
Nearly one in ten passengers tested for Covid-19 after arriving from Brazil have been given positive results

a_squirrelman

zell12 wrote: »

Found it
Nearly one in ten passengers tested for Covid-19 after arriving from Brazil have been given positive results

As expected the number of Brazilians arriving is tiny. No surprises there.

suicide_circus

a_squirrelman wrote: »

As expected the number of Brazilians arriving is tiny. No surprises there.

Plenty to introduce a new variant

Dyr

Its actually impressive to see the level of willful idiocy it takes to continue to advocate for open borders in these circumstances, I'm more interested in trying to figure out what motivates it, is it the defence of a set of values no matter what or just a willingness to defend those they regard as authority figures regardless of the circumstances?


Very odd.

saabsaab

Bambi wrote: »

Its actually impressive to see the level of willful idiocy it takes to continue to advocate for open borders in these circumstances, I'm more interested in trying to figure out what motivates it, is it the defence of a set of values no matter what or just a willingness to defend those they regard as authority figures regardless of the circumstances?


Very odd.

Or is it vested interest?



I remember raising the role of covid spread and implications for aviation in that thread in Jan/Feb 2020 but it was taken out of the forum as not relevant!

UDAWINNER

a_squirrelman wrote: »

As expected the number of Brazilians arriving is tiny. No surprises there.

Remember it only took one person to introduce covid 19 into this country

josip

UDAWINNER wrote: »

Remember it only took one person to introduce covid 19 into this country

And only 1 person in Wuhan to get it to start with.

ginoginelli

saabsaab wrote: »

Or is it vested interest?



I remember raising the role of covid spread and implications for aviation in that thread in Jan/Feb 2020 but it was taken out of the forum as not relevant!

Theres a good possibility it's a vested interest, whether that's pressure from big multinationals or whatever, there also could be a misguided concept that we cant upset our european standing. Then theres always the possibility of pride, they just dont want admit they got it dreadfully wrong, and their strategy caused thousands of unnecessary deaths, as well as destroyed peoples lives.

Whatever the reasons, the publics best interest is not one of them.

ginoginelli

UDAWINNER wrote: »

Remember it only took one person to introduce covid 19 into this country

Exactly. I find it so ludicrous when the coalition are questioned on travel they defended it by saying "travel is down 95 percent. Only 30 thousand flew here last week" etc.

30 thousand!!! That's 30,000 potential spreaders ffs.

Disengneuinous self serving clowns, the lot of them. They are literally sabotaging the nation now.