Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

Dyr

ginoginelli wrote: »

Theres a good possibility it's a vested interest, whether that's pressure from big multinationals or whatever, there also could be a misguided concept that we cant upset our european standing. Then theres always the possibility of pride, they just dont want admit they got it dreadfully wrong, and their strategy caused thousands of unnecessary deaths, as well as destroyed peoples lives.

Whatever the reasons, the publics best interest is not one of them.

Thats possibly the motivation of the people in power, Martin etc they have a vested interest in keeping the airports open.

What I dont get is the motivation of the people who enthusiastically endorse the policy, while screaming out for maximum restrictions everywhere else.

a_squirrelman

Bambi wrote: »

Thats possibly the motivation of the people in power, Martin etc they have a vested interest in keeping the airports open.

What I dont get is the motivation of the people who enthusiastically endorse the policy, while screaming out for maximum restrictions everywhere else.

Covid negative people who have the right to travel to Ireland and arrived by legal means shouldn't be thrown in confinement.
Why are you pushing for that if you aren't locking up covid positive people?

UDAWINNER

a_squirrelman wrote: »

Covid negative people who have the right to travel to Ireland and arrived by legal means shouldn't be thrown in confinement.
Why are you pushing for that if you aren't locking up covid positive people?

Who really should be travelling during a pandemic, the types that can't be trusted to self isolate so fcuk them in a hotel for 2 week at top dollar. All these strains have 1 thing in common all brought in from abroad via airline or boat, fact.

josip

UDAWINNER wrote: »

Who really should be travelling during a pandemic, the types that can't be trusted to self isolate so fcuk them in a hotel for 2 week at top dollar. All these strains have 1 thing in common all brought in from abroad via airline or boat, fact.

A lot of them are the people who keep the price of your meat down.

Working for a pittance for Goodman, doing a job that most Irish wouldn't do.

UDAWINNER

josip wrote: »

A lot of them are the people who keep the price of your meat down.

Working for a pittance for Goodman, doing a job that most Irish wouldn't do.

then let the likes of larry pay for their quarantine, ensure they have suitable accomadation to stay in when they are in work, you know the basics and larry can well afford it

UDAWINNER

josip wrote: »

A lot of them are the people who keep the price of your meat down.

Working for a pittance for Goodman, doing a job that most Irish wouldn't do.

Also, i became a vegan a while ago so don't give a fcuk about this

ginoginelli

Bambi wrote: »

Thats possibly the motivation of the people in power, Martin etc they have a vested interest in keeping the airports open.

What I dont get is the motivation of the people who enthusiastically endorse the policy, while screaming out for maximum restrictions everywhere else.

The vast majority of the public - 90 percent in a recent poll - are in favour of hotel quarantine. That 10 percent that dont are other people with a vested interest, and then the yellow vest lunatics, conspiracy crazies, and contrarian trolls u see on here.

I have yet to read a rational and reasonable argument agaisnt hotel quarantine from a sane person.

a_squirrelman

UDAWINNER wrote: »

Who really should be travelling during a pandemic, the types that can't be trusted to self isolate so fcuk them in a hotel for 2 week at top dollar. All these strains have 1 thing in common all brought in from abroad via airline or boat, fact.

There are countless valid reasons why people travel. But sure don't bother looking closer to home, the "all in this together" never truly existed in Ireland.

Das Reich

subpar wrote: »

The arrival of the Brazil Variant was both predictable and avoidable.

The Irish Authorities are to blame for this.

Predictable yes, avoidable how?

a_squirrelman

ginoginelli wrote: »

The vast majority of the public - 90 percent in a recent poll - are in favour of hotel quarantine. That 10 percent that dont are other people with a vested interest, and then the yellow vest lunatics, conspiracy crazies, and contrarian trolls u see on here.

I have yet to read a rational and reasonable argument agaisnt hotel quarantine from a sane person.

Because it's nonsense and a waste of money.
The virus is everywhere. All that works is people following rules, but people are fed up and need someone to blame.
They got their relaxed rules at Christmas and fuxked up.
So now it's easy to blame the small amount of travellers rather than your sister/neighbour/hairdresser(who is now making housecalls and infecting 10 gafs per day).

Das Reich

beggars_bush wrote: »

Maybe stop granting new work permits to Brazilians to move here to work in meat factories?

I am sure an Irish minority would love to get out of the dole and replace them on the plants.

Peterbilt

Is there any truth to AGS doing 5KM checks at motorway tolls while you're
stopped ???

josip

Peterbilt wrote: »

Is there any truth to AGS doing 5KM checks at motorway tolls while you're
stopped ???

None at all.
It's a scam by eToll to get you to sign up for a tag.

Banana Republic 1

josip wrote: »

And only 1 person in Wuhan to get it to start with.

It may not have originated from wuhan at all according to WHO

Ronaldinho

Das Reich wrote: »

Predictable yes, avoidable how?

A blanket ban on any arrivals from Brazil, regardless of what countries those travelers have transited through.

In all likelihood it would still get in but at least it would buy time.

Leaving inward travel restrictions so lax is throwing sand into the eyes of those of us having to endure months of lockdown.

josip

Ronaldinho wrote: »

A blanket ban on any arrivals from Brazil, regardless of what countries those travelers have transited through.

In all likelihood it would still get in but at least it would buy time.

Leaving inward travel restrictions so lax is throwing sand into the eyes of those of us having to endure months of lockdown.

But we'd run out of rashers

whisky_galore

UDAWINNER wrote: »

Also, i became a vegan a while ago so don't give a fcuk about this

You're in a minority, far more people don't give a **** about going vegan.

Oscar Madison

bettyoleary wrote: »

I think you just have to accept the govt has said we cant keep our borders locked down We are going to get people bringing it in to Ireland and there is nothing we can do about it if that is what has been decided economically. People will go on holiday and bring it back. That cant be stopped People are inherently selfish and if they feel it is no threat to them or theirs they wont care about anyone else. People with money will demand openings despite risk and that will happen bcos of greed Unfortunately its a selfish world and poor and vunerable people will die until there is a vaccine.

A part of me relucantly accepts that we can't keep our borders closed but then I ask 'why can't we'

If I can't travel over 5Km, why should people from outside the country have free reign to travel after they arrive?

That might sound a little childish but the government really need to plug the holes or else this is just going to continue without respite.

whisky_galore

a_squirrelman wrote: »

Because it's nonsense and a waste of money.
The virus is everywhere. All that works is people following rules, but people are fed up and need someone to blame.
They got their relaxed rules at Christmas and fuxked up.
So now it's easy to blame the small amount of travellers rather than your sister/neighbour/hairdresser(who is now making housecalls and infecting 10 gafs per day).

They're all equally to blame. The virus didn't come here by itself

Dyr

a_squirrelman wrote: »

Covid negative people who have the right to travel to Ireland

What right to travel would that be

Tenzor07

Ronaldinho wrote: »

A blanket ban on any arrivals from Brazil, regardless of what countries those travelers have transited through.

Aren't you shooting yourself in the foot there Ronaldinho?? :eek:

Tenzor07

Oscar Madison wrote: »

If I can't travel over 5Km, why should people from outside the country have free reign to travel after they arrive?

Doesn't the 5k rule apply to everyone after they arrive and are present in the country or is there an exemption for air passengers??

a_squirrelman

Bambi wrote: »

What right to travel would that be

Eh so you have no right to leave Ireland for another country?
And if I have the correct visa requirements for Ireland and all the necessary documents immigration can't just turn me away.

Not sure what is unclear here.

UDAWINNER

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Doesn't the 5k rule apply to everyone after they arrive and are present in the country or is there an exemption for air passengers??

we had these last year and we still had yanks eating out, visiting everywhere unimpeded by the gardai. Should have barred travel from the US 12 months ago but then leo would not risk his paddys day visit same for mm but joe fcuked up that for him

Tenzor07

UDAWINNER wrote: »

we had these last year and we still had yanks eating out, visiting everywhere unimpeded by the gardai. Should have barred travel from the US 12 months ago but then leo would not risk his paddys day visit same for mm but joe fcuked up that for him

What... Americans!? Hope it wasn't those ones from Shannon who were allowed roam around Limerick recently spreading the virus...
Arm the Police!!

beachhead

No proper controls are possible with the twanks in government here or the EU.It's all about the next election and keeping votes/vested interests on their side.

Tenzor07

beachhead wrote: »

No proper controls are possible with the twanks in government here or the EU.It's all about the next election and keeping votes/vested interests on their side.

What we need is Irexit, let's get out now!! The United Kingdom did it, so can we!

faceman

Professor Jack Lambert, infectious diseases specialist. Again highlighting actual infection from travel

https://twitter.com/jlamber55605930/status/1363202767234469893?s=21

How many weeks of level 5 lockdown has there been? Why is there still 1000 cases a day? It’s not from travel....

*awaits the typical “it didn’t arrive here by carrier pigeon” replies*

Das Reich

Ronaldinho wrote: »

A blanket ban on any arrivals from Brazil, regardless of what countries those travelers have transited through.

In all likelihood it would still get in but at least it would buy time.

Leaving inward travel restrictions so lax is throwing sand into the eyes of those of us having to endure months of lockdown.

Does not make any sense. A country that borders other 10 countries with more than 16.000 km of borders and a population of 210.000.000 would had the strain spread on other countries in no time no matter what effort to be done.

ShineOn7

It's behind a paywall, but the headline says it all

Half of air travellers to State in January came for ‘non-essential’ reasons

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/half-of-air-travellers-to-state-in-january-came-for-non-essential-reasons-1.4489847?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fhealth%2Fcoronavirus%2Fhalf-of-air-travellers-to-state-in-january-came-for-non-essential-reasons-1.4489847

We can't meet friends 6 Km away for an outdoor stroll in a park using social distancing

But yet this shíte continues