Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

saabsaab

Over 70% of cases since Christmas are new UK variant. It didn't come by carrier pigeon!

ShineOn7

One of the most upvoted posts on the front page of Reddit Ireland today

Excellent post

I don't think people realise just how much Ireland is in trouble if this variant gets into the community

We've plateaued at a thousand cases a day and this is with Level 5 restrictions and the Brazilian variant here

How about banning travelers from Brazil full stop ?

You know before the deadly new strain that's 3 times more infectious gets here and brings the country to its knees? Oh wait it's too late.

You can't just "ask" people to quarantine for two weeks because people are dicks. You can't "appeal" to people to get tests because people are dicks. and yes - people will dodge via different countries - so if people are traveling (and a lot of bullshít reasons for doing so I know this first hand) then two weeks mandatory quarantine (at least) - supervised in centres - like in New Zeland. Anyway, it's too late - we will be fúcked because of this - but I hope we get it together before a new RNA vaccine-resistant strain occurs.


To be clear this isn't about Brazilians specifically - plenty of Irish traveling to and from Brazil too. It could be any country that develops a new strain like this, we just need to get much tighter on travel full stop. None of this 2 grand fine nonsense - to some people that's nothing - just ban it now and mandatory supervised quarantine in centres for "verifiable" essential travel !!

And let me be SUPER clear - this is not a post against Brazilian people - this post is against people of ANY nationality traveling to and from Brazil at the moment or other places with new and dangerous variants - which this week HAPPENS to be Brazil - and against inessential international travel at all - and against our govts ludicrously half-hearted border controls.

bodhrandude

ShineOn7 wrote: »

One of the most upvoted posts on the front page of Reddit Ireland today

Excellent post

I don't think people realise just how much Ireland is in trouble if this variant gets into the community

We've plateaued at a thousand cases a day and this is with Level 5 restrictions and the Brazilian variant here

Any chance of a link to that Reddit thread, thanks if you can help.

ShineOn7

bodhrandude wrote: »

Any chance of a link to that Reddit thread, thanks if you can help.

Sure

https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/lo31oa/how_about_banning_travellers_from_brazil_full_stop/

caveat emptor

faceman wrote: »

Professor Jack Lambert, infectious diseases specialist. Again highlighting actual infection from travel

https://twitter.com/jlamber55605930/status/1363202767234469893?s=21

How many weeks of level 5 lockdown has there been? Why is there still 1000 cases a day? It’s not from travel....

*awaits the typical “it didn’t arrive here by carrier pigeon” replies*

Do you honestly believe there were only 4 cases from travel? Really?
Our amazing efforts at contact tracing never went beyond 48 hours and given the virus has an incubation period of ~6 days, we can't actually tell where any of it came from. Again we know it didn't walk here.

Now if we did actually do proper tracing and it showed no cases I'd be all for travel. Looking at how many cases are in quarantine in Australia it seems as though a disproportionate amount of people with Covid are travelling there. If our stats are to be believed they should have zero cases in quarantine.

Banana Republic 1

caveat emptor wrote: »

Do you honestly believe there were only 4 cases from travel? Really?
Our amazing efforts at contact tracing never went beyond 48 hours and given the virus has an incubation period of ~6 days, we can't actually tell where any of it came from. Again we know it didn't walk here.

Now if we did actually do proper tracing and it showed no cases I'd be all for travel. Looking at how many cases are in quarantine in Australia it seems as though a disproportionate amount of people with Covid are travelling there. If our stats are to be believed they should have zero cases in quarantine.

I heard an interview on the Brendan o Connor show and the more it went on the more ludicrous it got. The first thing that came to my mind was have they also quarantined the others on the plan that brought the three people, probably not. It then got even worse as he seemed to suggest the three people were roaming around for a week before going into lockdown.

But like caveat I was reassured by Ireland’s track/trace and quarantine system, ffs!

faceman

caveat emptor wrote: »

Do you honestly believe there were only 4 cases from travel? Really?
Our amazing efforts at contact tracing never went beyond 48 hours and given the virus has an incubation period of ~6 days, we can't actually tell where any of it came from. Again we know it didn't walk here.

Now if we did actually do proper tracing and it showed no cases I'd be all for travel. Looking at how many cases are in quarantine in Australia it seems as though a disproportionate amount of people with Covid are travelling there. If our stats are to be believed they should have zero cases in quarantine.

Here’s an idea. Jack Lambert is one of Ireland’s top infectious disease experts. He’s not stupid or naive. Why not read content he has published, read articles and interviews he’s done on the topic? Or better again, tweet him and tell him why he’s wrong?

gw80

So according to the irish edition of the London times on a thread in current affairs since November over 100 eritreans have arrived by plane to ireland, some were refused to land but the majority have claimed assistance or asylum only to never show up for any follow up meetings.
Some have been found in the UK by using Ireland and northern Ireland as a back door to get to England, the rest of them could be anywhere roaming around the country apparently,
That's just fantastic to know, isn't it.

mandrake04

ShineOn7 wrote: »

One of the most upvoted posts on the front page of Reddit Ireland today

Excellent post

I don't think people realise just how much Ireland is in trouble if this variant gets into the community

We've plateaued at a thousand cases a day and this is with Level 5 restrictions and the Brazilian variant here

How about banning travelers from Brazil full stop ?

You know before the deadly new strain that's 3 times more infectious gets here and brings the country to its knees? Oh wait it's too late.

You can't just "ask" people to quarantine for two weeks because people are dicks. You can't "appeal" to people to get tests because people are dicks. and yes - people will dodge via different countries - so if people are traveling (and a lot of bullshít reasons for doing so I know this first hand) then two weeks mandatory quarantine (at least) - supervised in centres - like in New Zeland. Anyway, it's too late - we will be fúcked because of this - but I hope we get it together before a new RNA vaccine-resistant strain occurs.


To be clear this isn't about Brazilians specifically - plenty of Irish traveling to and from Brazil too. It could be any country that develops a new strain like this, we just need to get much tighter on travel full stop. None of this 2 grand fine nonsense - to some people that's nothing - just ban it now and mandatory supervised quarantine in centres for "verifiable" essential travel !!

And let me be SUPER clear - this is not a post against Brazilian people - this post is against people of ANY nationality traveling to and from Brazil at the moment or other places with new and dangerous variants - which this week HAPPENS to be Brazil - and against inessential international travel at all - and against our govts ludicrously half-hearted border controls.

Just on the people are dicks very true, NZ and Australia had self quarantine at the start in Jan and Feb 2020 and it was abused and found it simply didn't work.

It wasn't until mid March they brought in Mandatory quarantine and that definitely paid off...and although a few bumps on the road as its a learning progression in general its allowed the majority of people in both countries to enjoy many months of near normality compared to European countries who have lost and will continue to lose many many months of their lives that they simply wont get back.

faceman

gw80 wrote: »

So according to the irish edition of the London times on a thread in current affairs since November over 100 eritreans have arrived by plane to ireland, some were refused to land but the majority have claimed assistance or asylum only to never show up for any follow up meetings.
Some have been found in the UK by using Ireland and northern Ireland as a back door to get to England, the rest of them could be anywhere roaming around the country apparently,
That's just fantastic to know, isn't it.

Is this a rant about the asylum process or does it have anything to do with covid?

faceman

mandrake04 wrote: »

Just on the people are dicks very true, NZ and Australia had self quarantine at the start in Jan and Feb 2020 and it was abused and found it simply didn't work.

It wasn't until mid March they brought in Mandatory quarantine and that definitely paid off...and although a few bumps on the road as its a learning progression in general its allowed the majority of people in both countries to enjoy many months of near normality compared to European countries who have lost and will continue to lose many many months of their lives that they simply wont get back.

Sigh :rolleyes:

faceman

faceman wrote: »

Is this a rant about the asylum process or does it have anything to do with covid?

If they are infected prior to arrival they will almost certainly have a different strain of the virus.

A Shaved Duck?

faceman wrote: »

Is this a rant about the asylum process or does it have anything to do with covid?

I read it as another example of the lax restrictions in our airports that are allowing people into the country in the midst of a pandemic. Then nobody can say if they are quarantined appropriately nor say for sure where they even are.

gw80

faceman wrote: »

Is this a rant about the asylum process or does it have anything to do with covid?

This is a thread about control at the airports during a pandemic,
Just by this story alone even though you won't see much about it on any news feed, it appears we have almost no control what so ever.

caveat emptor

caveat emptor wrote: »

Do you honestly believe there were only 4 cases from travel? Really?
Our amazing efforts at contact tracing never went beyond 48 hours and given the virus has an incubation period of ~6 days, we can't actually tell where any of it came from. Again we know it didn't walk here.

Now if we did actually do proper tracing and it showed no cases I'd be all for travel. Looking at how many cases are in quarantine in Australia it seems as though a disproportionate amount of people with Covid are travelling there. If our stats are to be believed they should have zero cases in quarantine.

faceman wrote: »

Here’s an idea. Jack Lambert is one of Ireland’s top infectious disease experts. He’s not stupid or naive. Why not read content he has published, read articles and interviews he’s done on the topic? Or better again, tweet him and tell him why he’s wrong?

Here's an idea. Why don't you answer the question. Do you believe that there were only 4 cases from travel? You'd have be extremely naive or be pursuing "An Agenda" to believe that.

We don't have enough public health doctors and contact tracing deliberately didn't go back far enough to see where the infection originated .It was only there to stop follow on spread. Do you agree that contact tracing is inadequate for tracing the source of infection?

So if we never looked at the origin it's kinda invalid to say it never came from x.
It's funny when they did look they actually found lots of cases originating from travel. By all means keep repeating it but people are not as stupid as you think.

faceman

Deleted User wrote: »

If they are infected prior to arrival they will almost certainly have a different strain of the virus.

If? almost certainly? Almost certainly isn't certainly. I realise what you are trying to illustrate but take a look at the reality. The asylum must not and cannot be halted. If its broken, fix it, dont stop it.

Secondly, have you seen the Covid stats for Eritrea? Their 7 day average is currently 37. Risk from the country is low, and coupled with a robust PCR testing requirement on arrival and a requirement to isolate minimises that risk.

We cant take a blanket approach to travel indefinitely. Infectious disease experts, WHO and ECDC all agree.

A Shaved Duck? wrote: »

I read it as another example of the lax restrictions in our airports that are allowing people into the country in the midst of a pandemic. Then nobody can say if they are quarantined appropriately nor say for sure where they even are.

We have stricter controls now that we did 3 months ago. It may be too little too late, but we are there now. We cant have strict restrictions in definitely.

gw80 wrote: »

This is a thread about control at the airports during a pandemic,
Just by this story alone even though you won't see much about it on any news feed, it appears we have almost no control what so ever.

Untrue but you can't prove your claim because you cant logically prove nonexistence.

Its worth point out that very few EU countries have constant focus on travel, unless things get out of control. Most of the EU recognises that intra EU travel cannot be stopped indefinitely (although we all agree non essential travel sho=uld be on hold for now). Most EU countries have travel bans on most if not all non EU countries, including a ban on travel from the UK, for quite some time. Ireland doesn't. The panicked response now is to take punitive measures against all travel which a reasonable person can deduce that a sledgehammer approach isn't a solution.

The other issues, slightly tangental, that I have is that our category 2 list is mostly a copy and paste from the UK list. Mauritius is on the list for political reasons with the UK over a territorial dispute where the UK is at fault. (I'm sure Mary Lou wouldn't like to find out that the Shinners are siding with the UK in a dispute like that) The UK is now considering adding Spain and the US to their red list next week. They claim its over mutated strains but thats nonsense. Its in retaliation to travel bans those 2 countries have. Spain in particular had a very unforgiving travel ban on travel to Spain from the UK which resulted in genuine UK born Spanish residents not permitted entry to Spain. The issue was only resolved last week.

faceman

caveat emptor wrote: »

Here's an idea. Why don't you answer the question. Do you believe that there were only 4 cases from travel? You'd have be extremely naive or be pursuing "An Agenda" to believe that.

We don't have enough public health doctors and contact tracing deliberately didn't go back far enough to see where the infection originated .It was only there to stop follow on spread. Do you agree that contact tracing is inadequate for tracing the source of infection?

So if we never looked at the origin it's kinda invalid to say it never came from x.
It's funny when they did look they actually found lots of cases originating from travel. By all means keep repeating it but people are not as stupid as you think.

I dont need to answer it, its already been answered. Ireland's incompetence with contact tracing doesn't negate other international studies and research.

Check out the research studies on travel by:

Kelley Lee, Catherine Worsnop, Karen Grépin, and Adam Kamradt-Scott: Global coordination on cross-border travel

Nicole Errett, Lauren Sauer, and Lainie Rutkow: An integrative review of the limited evidence on international travel bans as an emerging infectious disease disaster control measure

Nicole Errett, Lauren Sauer, and Lainie Rutkow wrote:

"There is limited research to support the use of travel bans to minimize the spread of four EIDs that have arisen during the twenty first century: MERS, SARS, EVD, and ZVD."

Catherine Worsnop: Concealing Disease: Trade and Travel Barriers and the Timeliness of Outbreak Reporting

A study by Matteo Chinazzi, Jessica T. Davis, Marco Ajelli, Corrado Gioannini, Maria Litvinova, Stefano Merler, Ana Pastore and Piontti, Kunpeng Mu, Luca Rossi, Kaiyuan Sun, Cécile Viboud, Xinyue Xiong, Hongjie Yu, M. Elizabeth Halloran,
Ira Longini Jr. and Alessandro Vespignani on the effect of travel bans in China found that even in the case of 90% travel reductions, if transmissibility is not reduced, the epidemic will continue with only a minor delay to growth.

In fact research by Haiyan Liu, Xuemei Bai, Huanfeng Shen, Xiaoping Pang, Zeyu Liang, Yue Liu highlighted that travel restrictions are only effectively when synchronised across jurisdictions.

I could go on but the research is there publicly available. The science community agreed at the start of the pandemic that all Covid research would be in the public domain rather than behind paywalls for everyone's benefit.

Nobody suggests travel goes unrestricted but no one suggests travel bans continue indefinitely. And the overwhelming evidence shows that travel bans cant operate in a vacuum. Suppression of transmission in other areas, social, work etc is key as that where the vast majority of transmission occurs. Even your pals in Australia and New Zealand will tell you that.

Also in the HSE info graph, what where all those people doing dining out and going to house parties in a pandemic?

zell12

Covid variant fears as over 5,500 fly here from virus hotspots

zell12

zell12 wrote: »

Covid variant fears as over 5,500 fly here from virus hotspots

over 80% of that front page appears to be virus doom. Has the Independent statistics to indicate this sells papers.

caveat emptor

faceman wrote: »

Also in the HSE info graph, what where all those people doing dining out and going to house parties in a pandemic?

Living with covid I guess.

faceman

caveat emptor wrote: »

Living with covid I guess.

Fair. I wonder if there is being research done in to how long people can sustain a lockdown before effects are negligible. I know WHO doesn’t recommend lockdown as a sustainable method nor do many infectious disease experts. The length of Ireland’s current lockdown must be up there as potentially one of the longest in the world

cursai

I'm planning on going on holidays next week to Uruguay. What precautions should I take. Are there any hurdles I should expect.
We plan to disinfectant our hands regularly.

zell12

cursai wrote: »

I'm planning on going on holidays next week to Uruguay. What precautions should I take. Are there any hurdles I should expect.
We plan to disinfectant our hands regularly.

:pac::pac:

Donald Trump

Deleted User wrote: »

over 80% of that front page appears to be virus doom. Has the Independent statistics to indicate this sells papers.

"Newspaper contains details about ongoing serious public health threat" shocker.


Not all newspapers have to have most of their front page taken up by "Jodie, 21, from Liverpool" showing off her tits. Some of them report on current issues.

Donald Trump

Donald Trump wrote: »

"Newspaper contains details about ongoing serious public health threat" shocker.

...after a year. It seems to be their "go to" topic on a slow news day or when there are other topics of public interest which they would prefer not to report.

zell12

Donald Trump

Deleted User wrote: »

...after a year. It seems to be their "go to" topic on a slow news day or when there are other topics of public interest which they would prefer not to report.

My grandfather used to say the same. He used to be always going on about the shite newspapers and how for years, all they'd print was "WWII this" and "Emergency that".


He said that by the time 1945 came around, "Jodie, 21, from Liverpool" was now 27 and overweight with saggy knockers.

bluelamp

zell12 wrote: »

Covid variant fears as over 5,500 fly here from virus hotspots

If I've learnt anything from this pandemic, it's that Ireland is absolutely obsessed with blaming other countries / nationalities for everything.

Ireland has had the largest reduction of passenger numbers of any European country, and we have never had less passengers arriving than we do now.

Why are other countries who aren't restricting travel as much doing better?

If the government hadn't waited a full year to bring in airport testing - you could probably be heading off on holidays safely this year.

The blame obsession changes every week. First it's houseparties, then it's teenagers, then it's northern Irish builders, then it's Belfast Airport, variants, travel, people walking in glendalough, Mary having takeaway coffee outside with her friends....

Where has the blame game gotten us a year later? Nowhere.

Time to move on, people need to stop being so easily led by misleading blame games.

Banana Republic 1

cursai wrote: »

I'm planning on going on holidays next week to Uruguay. What precautions should I take. Are there any hurdles I should expect.
We plan to disinfectant our hands regularly.

Use fake names at the airport and say your a drugs mule.

Rodin

zell12 wrote: »

Just coming from a funeral, boss.