Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

Rodin

[Deleted User] wrote: »

over 80% of that front page appears to be virus doom. Has the Independent statistics to indicate this sells papers.

Less than half that page is about Covid.
There is nothing on the right sided half at all so it's immediately less than 50%.
I hope you're not employed to estimate things.

Rodin

Rodin wrote: »

Less than half that page is about Covid.
There is nothing on the right sided half at all so it's immediately less than 50%.
I hope you're not employed to estimate things.

Did you not read the advert.

take everything

Dummies in the western world and (Ireland is right up there) want it every way. They don't want any sacrifice.
Sacrifice. discipline. How quaint.

New Zealand and Australia are back to near normality because of sacrifice.

You can't have it both ways.
Keep dragging your feet on quarantine/border controls and watch people's social lives go to ****.

Or deal with the god damn borders, and none of this halfhearted lockdown and maybe some sort of normality might return.

The border with the north is not the issue people make it out to be. It's an excuse to be lazy about sorting this out.

bluelamp

take everything wrote: »

You can't have it both ways.
Keep dragging your feet on quarantine/border controls and watch people's social lives go to ****.

Or deal with the god damn borders, and none of this halfhearted lockdown and maybe some sort of normality might return.

The border with the north is not the issue people make it out to be. It's an excuse to be lazy about sorting this out.

It absolutely wouldn't work.

What do you do about the 1000's of trucks and drivers that bring everything into the country every day for example.

Cross border workers, how will that work?

You need to have some essential air services either way - what do you do about the flight attendants etc when they come back?

Its well and good wanting to close airports, but when pretty much all our food, drink, medication, furniture, IT equipment etc comes in on trucks from the UK and France, its not gonna have any effect.

Closing borders only makes sense if you believe it can be eradicated within the country. I really don't think anyone has the stomach for that now.

With the rate we are at now it would take a melbourne style lockdown for months. Nobody wants that.

Between vaccines and the better weather, we will be in a much better place soon anyway.

mandrake04

bluelamp wrote: »

With the rate we are at now it would take a melbourne style lockdown for months. Nobody wants that.

To be fair with the exception of 8pm-5am curfew and wearing masks outdoors in Melbourne there's not much difference between L5 in Ireland, more or less the same.

The only other difference was in Melbourne you were allowed to visit your partner even if they live outside the 5km area.

bluelamp

mandrake04 wrote: »

To be fair with the exception of 8pm-5am curfew and wearing masks outdoors in Melbourne there's not much difference between L5 in Ireland, more or less the same.

The only other difference was in Melbourne you were allowed to visit your partner even if they live outside the 5km area.

Yeah thats true, but the enforcement was a different level altogether.

Tokyo

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Dyr

bluelamp wrote: »

It absolutely wouldn't work.

What do you do about the 1000's of trucks and drivers that bring everything into the country every day for example.

Cross border workers, how will that work?

You need to have some essential air services either way - what do you do about the flight attendants etc when they come back?

Its well and good wanting to close airports, but when pretty much all our food, drink, medication, furniture, IT equipment etc comes in on trucks from the UK and France, its not gonna have any effect.

Closing borders only makes sense if you believe it can be eradicated within the country. I really don't think anyone has the stomach for that now.

With the rate we are at now it would take a melbourne style lockdown for months. Nobody wants that.

Between vaccines and the better weather, we will be in a much better place soon anyway.

Do you know any truck drivers? They're not wandering around the country delviering food or living 10 to a house. They're driving through.


The level of excuse making for not securing our airports with the same draconian rigour as every other aspect of this Lockdown is embarrasing.

ginoginelli

Bambi wrote: »

Do you know any truck drivers? They're not wandering around the country delviering food or living 10 to a house. They're driving through.


The level of excuse making for not securing our airports with the same draconian rigour as every other aspect of this Lockdown is embarrasing.

When France insisted all drivers be antigen tested coming out of ireland, and we set up the stations but then incredulously decided not to antigen arrivals, it showed where are goverments head is at.

They are fools. Dangerous fools.

bluelamp

Bambi wrote: »

Do you know any truck drivers? They're not wandering around the country delviering food or living 10 to a house. They're driving through.


The level of excuse making for not securing our airports with the same draconian rigour as every other aspect of this Lockdown is embarrasing.

We have had the largest reduction in passenger numbers of any country in Europe.

I get it though, it's easier to blame "the foreigners" than ourselves.

It's low key racism at this stage. Every foreigner is a deliveroo driver who lives 10 to a bedroom apparently.

caveat emptor

bluelamp wrote: »

We have had the largest reduction in passenger numbers of any country in Europe.

I get it though, it's easier to blame "the foreigners" than ourselves.

It's low key racism at this stage. Every foreigner is a deliveroo driver who lives 10 to a bedroom apparently.

Lol if you believe that. Racist if you don't want variants that affect vaccine efficacy imported. Facist if you want quarantine for inbound travellers? What would label someone who wants their kids to return to school safely?

bluelamp

caveat emptor wrote: »

Lol if you believe that. Racist if you don't want variants that affect vaccine efficacy imported. Facist if you want quarantine for inbound travellers? What would label someone who wants their kids to return to school safely?

Assuming that everything is "the foreigners" fault .. even though a lot of them are coming from countries who are doing better than us, with negative PCR tests. Making connotations that they are "10 to a house" and all delivering food.

Yes I absolutely think its driven by racism yes.

caveat emptor

bluelamp wrote: »

Assuming that everything is "the foreigners" fault .. even though a lot of them are coming from countries who are doing better than us, with negative PCR tests. Making connotations that they are "10 to a house" and all delivering food.

Yes I absolutely think its driven by racism yes.

Do you think it's right that 2000 people can fly in from Brazil. I'm sure not all of them work in meat factories. With that level of inbound travel that new variant will take hold fairly quick. If we start seeing large outbreaks in meat factories of this variant it'll spread everywhere. I'd say most did restrict movements for 2 weeks but not all did. I'm sure the independent published the story because they are racist too.

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1363453700736507904?s=20

More than 5,500 people have entered the State from countries deemed high risk from Covid-19, including over 2,000 passengers from Brazil, during a 28-day period this year, the Sunday Independent can reveal.

Tenzor07

caveat emptor wrote: »

Do you think it's right that 2000 people can fly in from Brazil.

Since when is there direct flights in from Brazil, must be loads of directs for 2000 passengers?
There's a bit more Googling for you to do...

caveat emptor

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Since when is there direct flights in from Brazil, must be loads of directs for 2000 passengers?
There's a bit more Googling for you to do...

Where does it say direct? It doesn't. Nice try though. Covid only likes direct flights? That's not very scientific.

Fr_Dougal

Rodin wrote: »

Just coming from a funeral, boss.

Some with fake Covid19 test results no doubt.

bluelamp

caveat emptor wrote: »

Do you think it's right that 2000 people can fly in from Brazil. I'm sure not all of them work in meat factories. With that level of inbound travel that new variant will take hold fairly quick. If we start seeing large outbreaks in meat factories of this variant it'll spread everywhere. I'd say most did restrict movements for 2 weeks but not all did. I'm sure the independent published the story because they are racist too.

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1363453700736507904?s=20

2000 Brazilians with irish citizenship / visas who have as much right to be here as you or me, with negative PCR tests and as you said - I'm sure most are following the 2 week quarantine. Yes I think its right that they should be able to come here.

It's all well and good if you can believe we can out run variants of this thing for ever - but I don't believe we can. We vaccinate against variants of the flu every year - it doesn't stop them existing. What do we do? Close our borders forever?

Variants are going to happen... nothing stopping an Irish variant either. But I'm sure we would still come up with a reason as to why it's definitely Ugandas fault or something.

Dont get me wrong, I can see your view point, but I think it would just postpone the inevitable.

Tenzor07

caveat emptor wrote: »

Where does it say direct? It doesn't. Nice try though. Covid only likes direct flights? That's not very scientific.

You're the one Googling stuff then copy/paste... "2000 people can fly in from Brazil"
No direct flights from anywhere in Brazil to here, so where's these flights you stated were bringing in all the Brazilians?

caveat emptor

Tenzor07 wrote: »

You're the one Googling stuff then copy/paste... "2000 people can fly in from Brazil"
No direct flights from anywhere in Brazil to here, so where's these flights you stated were bringing in all the Brazilians?

I think you are a bit lost. Maybe contact the Sunday independent with your truth seeking questions. Hope you can get some answers. I can't help you. All the best.

Tenzor07

caveat emptor wrote: »

I think you are a bit lost. Maybe contact the Sunday independent with your truth seeking questions. Hope you can get some answers. I can't help you. All the best.

Have to back up your statements here, copying and pasting from Google isn't contributing to the debate...we can all read and digest the news ourselves... Just wanted to find out from you how they got here direct from Brazil as you suggested in your post?

caveat emptor

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Have to back up your statements here, copying and pasting from Google isn't contributing to the debate...we can all read and digest the news ourselves... Just wanted to find out from you how they got here direct from Brazil as you suggested in your post?

What are you sh!ting on about? Nowhere did I say direct. Do you think they swam here? You seem to think covid walked here so wouldn't be surprised. Of course if I worked in aviation I'd have similar illogical arguments to yourself. I'm not sure I'd be badgering someone though over something they didn't say. That's coming across quite desperate.

doublejobbing 2

faceman wrote: »

Secondly, have you seen the Covid stats for Eritrea? Their 7 day average is currently 37. .

If there is one thing I am fully sure of, it's that Eritrea has a concise testing system.

faceman wrote: »

Professor Jack Lambert, infectious diseases specialist. Again highlighting actual infection from travel

https://twitter.com/jlamber55605930/status/1363202767234469893?s=21

How many weeks of level 5 lockdown has there been? Why is there still 1000 cases a day? It’s not from travel....

*awaits the typical “it didn’t arrive here by carrier pigeon” replies*

If we had sealed off travel from England by early December we would currently be experiencing circa 5- 10% of the daily case numbers we are currently experiencing, maybe less. Our schools, pubs, sport events would largely be re opened, with the same restrictions as last summer. It is staggering negligence, or perhaps it was deliberate. Either way, Mehole should be facing charges of criminal negligence in regards to it. If there was any justice in the world the government would print a list of UK resident Irish people who came home and subsequently tested positive for Covid, so we could individually know the arseholes who sentenced us to another 5 plus months of crippling debt and lockdown.

Your posts are serious wind ups.

faceman

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

If there is one thing I am fully sure of, it's that Eritrea has a concise testing system.

Ergo, what's your point?

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If we had sealed off travel from England by early December we would currently be experiencing circa 5- 10% of the daily case numbers we are currently experiencing, maybe less. Our schools, pubs, sport events would largely be re opened, with the same restrictions as last summer. It is staggering negligence, or perhaps it was deliberate. Either way, Mehole should be facing charges of criminal negligence in regards to it.

How do you know? What are you basing your figures on? Maybe you're right, but then again many European countries have had travel bans to UK travellers and still experienced a 3rd wave in December and January.

wrote:

If there was any justice in the world the government would print a list of UK resident Irish people who came home and subsequently tested positive for Covid, so we could individually know the arseholes who sentenced us to another 5 plus months of crippling debt and lockdown.

This is an incredibly naive and dangerous road to go down. What would you do with that list then?

wrote:

Your posts are serious wind ups.

Why is that?

I note that I have posted many links to experts, scientists and medical professionals who have carried out studies on travel and covid, not to mention Lambert's work, one of Ireland's top infectious disease experts. Are they winding you up too? You, and many other posters, have not offered any commentary, rebuttal or evidence based criticism of their studies.

Maybe drop them an email and tell them to stop

doublejobbing 2

faceman wrote: »

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How do you know? What are you basing your figures on? Maybe you're right, but then again many European countries have had travel bans to UK travellers and still experienced a 3rd wave in December and January.

Actually most of Europe started their severe surge back around October/ November.

This is an incredibly naive and dangerous road to go down. What would you do with that list then?

So the next time they show their face in their home town they will get the dogs abuse they deserve. In an ideal world I'd see to it that they become ineligible for inheritance from a relative, hit them in the pocket same as they have done to me by putting me out of work since January. Absolute wastes of oxygen the lot of them.

I note that I have posted many links to experts, scientists and medical professionals who have carried out studies on travel and covid, not to mention Lambert's work, one of Ireland's top infectious disease experts. Are they winding you up too? You, and many other posters, have not offered any commentary, rebuttal or evidence based criticism of their studies.

Maybe drop them an email and tell them to stop

Here you go, seeing as you think travel made no difference.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/travel-was-significant-contributor-to-second-covid-19-wave-study-1.4489852

faceman

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

Actually most of Europe started their severe surge back around October/ November.

2nd wave

wrote:

So the next time they show their face in their home town they will get the dogs abuse they deserve. In an ideal world I'd see to it that they become ineligible for inheritance from a relative, hit them in the pocket same as they have done to me by putting me out of work since January. Absolute wastes of oxygen the lot of them.

Now you're trollin'

wrote:

Here you go, seeing as you think travel made no difference.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/travel-was-significant-contributor-to-second-covid-19-wave-study-1.4489852

I've posted numerous references to peer reviewed articles, you've post a link to an Irish Times article that does give details of the study in question. Its impossible to know what details are not being shared in the article. Is it peer reviewed? Given many posters in this thread have pointed out that Ireland doesn't do meaningful contact tracing, how does this impact the study?

We also had no restrictions whatsoever on incoming travel at that time, a completely foolish measure by the government. Most of the EU banned travel from outside of the EU. Ireland didn't. Ireland had no temperature screening or requirement for PCR testing.

Without seeing the report I cant comment on it, but either way its largely redundant as our airport controls have changed since then.

Happy to hear your feedback on all the references I have posted in this thread when you have a chance.

doublejobbing 2

faceman wrote: »

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I've posted numerous references to peer reviewed articles,

Here's a peer review for ye.

The second post at the start of this thread. June 18th 2020. Author: me.

I equally think it's time to consider legislation to stop Irish people returning home. Post Christmas could be a disaster if it's still rampant in the UK.

We wont't of course. Mehole will appear on TV strongly urging ex pats not to return home, and urging those that do to stay out of pubs and house parties.

They won't, and we will see a surge in mid January.

Our government, NPHET, and whoever else in charge, thought that asking ex pats to stay away would work, and if they didn't, well somehow that would work anyway.

Me, an ordinary Joe Soap with no medical background, called exactly what was going to happen at Christmas last June.

Hence why Mehole should be charged with criminal negligence, jailed, and fined every cent he has.



Mod: Quit it with the "Mehole" crap. Hasn't been 'edgy' or 'witty' for a while now.

Rodin

Brazilians can of course fly home to see their family...

Id have mandatory quarantine in a govt. hotel on return. Oh, and Id charge them 10k...

Would they still travel?

More than one way to skin a cat.

mean gene

saw a video from rio no one wears masks and theres fcuk all restrictions -lads flying in here then ,jokeshop

Rodin

Regarding the Jack Lambert study with low numbers of cases linked to travel..

It is thought 90% of cases now are the UK variant.
EVERY one of those is linked to travel.
The UK variant didn't swim here or come in on an easterly.

mean gene

jack talking through his hoop