Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

Del Griffith

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

**** all tests.

And **** all in hospital.

Happydays2020

saabsaab wrote: »

Very short memories here. Remember Christmas and that mass transfer of the UK variant?

What is the position now with travel from that same country? Is there quarantining? Was there ever going to be? When was that variant already active? Sure didn’t the Government even arrange flights to bring people home from the UK? Why would we even try to stop people leaving the country?

The Variants are a red herring. Yes Christmas was unfortunate on many levels but many people also ignored the advice given.

Red Silurian

Del Griffith wrote: »

Remember last summer? Travel open, **** all cases

Travel was open but govt advice was not to travel and to self isolate on the way home from essential journeys only

Of course there are many reports of people who came home from their Spanish holidays last summer, didn't bother with the self-isolation and spread the virus on their return. One person who spread it to over 50 others detailed in this article https://www.thejournal.ie/man-failed-restrict-movements-56-cases-5237110-Oct2020/

JoeExotic81

Red Silurian wrote: »

Travel was open but govt advice was not to travel and to self isolate on the way home from essential journeys only

Of course there are many reports of people who came home from their Spanish holidays last summer, didn't bother with the self-isolation and spread the virus on their return. One person who spread it to over 50 others detailed in this article https://www.thejournal.ie/man-failed-restrict-movements-56-cases-5237110-Oct2020/

Fascinating. Now what about the other 227,000 recorded cases?
I'm not saying your wonderful contribution is pointless here, but let's say it's about 0.001% of a point.

Red Silurian

JoeExotic81 wrote: »

Fascinating. Now what about the other 227,000 recorded cases?
I'm not saying your wonderful contribution is pointless here, but let's say it's about 0.001% of a point.

It's not exactly documented but given that it's a highly infectious virus one would assume that the 56 people mentioned in the above article went on to infect more and they then went on to infect more and so on and so on...

JoeExotic81

Red Silurian wrote: »

It's not exactly documented but given that it's a highly infectious virus one would assume that the 56 people mentioned in the above article went on to infect more and they then went on to infect more and so on and so on...

And on and on and on.... from those first Italian flights...

Seeing as it's so highly infectious and going on and on and on in the community, what's the point of stopping all international travel at this point then?

Red Silurian

JoeExotic81 wrote: »

And on and on and on.... from those first Italian flights...

Seeing as it's so highly infectious and going on and on and on in the community, what's the point of stopping all international travel at this point then?

Exactly...

Because you have to stop the problem getting worse at its source while the community transmission is being dealt with

JoeExotic81

Red Silurian wrote: »

Exactly...

Because you have to stop the problem getting worse at its source while the community transmission is being dealt with

The source? It's not like some monster where you cut off it's head all the rest will cease to exist. The source is now everywhere, the groceries, hospitals, your family, schools, LIFE.

Again I ask, what purpose does shutting down international travel serve when the rest of the "sources" carry on?

When you take into account the numbers involved, people losing their sh!t over international travel at this stage have no sense of reality.

saabsaab

International travel and specifically air travel is where this all started and is the source of new variants. A bit like trying to empty the bath and leaving the taps on!

Red Silurian

JoeExotic81 wrote: »

The source? It's not like some monster where you cut off it's head all the rest will cease to exist. The source is now everywhere, the groceries, hospitals, your family, schools, LIFE.

Again I ask, what purpose does shutting down international travel serve when the rest of the "sources" carry on?

When you take into account the numbers involved, people losing their sh!t over international travel at this stage have no sense of reality.

Our grocery shops are restricted, our hospitals are restricted, our family lives and schools are all restricted so why should international travel not be restricted as well? There are multiple sources and they all need to be closed down

JoeExotic81

Red Silurian wrote: »

Our grocery shops are restricted, our hospitals are restricted, our family lives and schools are all restricted so why should international travel not be restricted as well? There are multiple sources and they all need to be closed down

Ok this is my last reply to you. First you seem to be unaware of how the virus transmits, and now you have seemingly missed the part where international travel has been restricted to within an inch of oblivion.

JoeExotic81

saabsaab wrote: »

International travel and specifically air travel is where this all started and is the source of new variants. A bit like trying to empty the bath and leaving the taps on!

So you're gonna turn the taps off but ignore the fact that the drain hole is blocked.

saabsaab

JoeExotic81 wrote: »

Ok this is my last reply to you. First you seem to be unaware of how the virus transmits, and now you have seemingly missed the part where international travel has been restricted to within an inch of oblivion.

Not restricted enough! 12,000 flew into Dublin in the first week in February!


110.000 in January 2021. Some lockdown..

expectationlost

what happened to the mandatory hotel quarantine (even with its lots of loopholes) ?

Red Silurian

JoeExotic81 wrote: »

Ok this is my last reply to you. First you seem to be unaware of how the virus transmits, and now you have seemingly missed the part where international travel has been restricted to within an inch of oblivion.

Don't like what you read so give up and make some ridiculous statements? I guess it's good way of leaving a losing argument if nothing else

expectationlost wrote: »

what happened to the mandatory hotel quarantine (even with its lots of loopholes) ?

Like everything else this govt promises in relation to COVID it's probably going to be canned before it starts

JoeExotic81

saabsaab wrote: »

Not restricted enough! 12,000 flew into Dublin in the first week in February!


110.000 in January 2021. Some lockdown..

And how many of them had covid?

Red Silurian

JoeExotic81 wrote: »

And how many of them had covid?

All of them... Prove me wrong...

JustAThought

Red Silurian wrote: »

All of them... Prove me wrong...

Ever other neighbours Brazillian aupair seems to have flown home and back over Christmas/New Year - zero checks, zero quarrentine, not to mention the German and Spanish foreign exchange students doing the rounds - despite the schools being closed. Facebook sites are awash with people ‘new’ to the country or ‘just arrived’ looking for cleanjng/au pair jobs or any quick cash numbers preferably with accommodation. Its like quarrentine dosn’t exist. It certainly isn’t policed.

saabsaab

JustAThought wrote: »

Ever other neighbours Brazillian aupair seems to have flown home and back over Christmas/New Year - zero checks, zero quarrentine, not to mention the German and Spanish foreign exchange students doing the rounds - despite the schools being closed. Facebook sites are awash with people ‘new’ to the country or ‘just arrived’ looking for cleanjng/au pair jobs or any quick cash numbers preferably with accommodation. Its like quarrentine dosn’t exist. It certainly isn’t policed.

Welcome new variants!

JoeExotic81

saabsaab wrote: »

Welcome new variants!

Yep cos the old variant just died away right? Not transmittable at all anymore.

Mary having tea with Joan only got it cos it was the new fancy b435763 southern outer Mongolia variant lite edition. That old classic covid couldn't hack the boring conversation of variants and zero covid and lockdown forever and it jumped in the fire.

saabsaab

Yep. 90% of new cases are the new variants and where did they start? Abroad!

ShineOn7

expectationlost wrote: »

what happened to the mandatory hotel quarantine (even with its lots of loopholes) ?

I put "hotel quarantine Ireland" into Google News there and the latest article is from 2 weeks ago

Says it all really

The "government" have - as expected from the shams - gone very quiet about it

The opposition normally never let up about it to them. But this week they're focused on Leo

JoeExotic81

saabsaab wrote: »

Yep. 90% of new cases are the new variants and where did they start? Abroad!

And you don't think that if the magic new variant label wasn't around that vanilla covid would still be bouncing around?

The naivety in here is hilarious.

ShineOn7

ShineOn7 wrote: »

The opposition normally never let up about it to them. But this week they're focused on Leo

I think it’s more likely that they’ve finally copped on to the futility of it

The hotel quarantine that is.....not going after Leo

Danno

JoeExotic81 wrote: »

And on and on and on.... from those first Italian flights...

So you finally admit flights were and still are the problem. Well done, it only took you the best part of a year to twig this.

JoeExotic81 wrote: »

So you're gonna turn the taps off but ignore the fact that the drain hole is blocked.

That drain hole is blocked because of gunk coming out of the taps there Joe, best turn those off so we can actually get to see the plug hole and go about unblocking it.

Nobody is ignoring that there is still covid circulating in Ireland. It's harder now to eradicate it because people (rightfully) are pissed off with restrictions being brought about because of international travellers bringing in 1: The Spanish variant (Summer hols 2020) causing the Oct-Dec lockdown and 2: The British variant (Christmas hols 2020) causing the Jan-Apr lockdown.

If folk want to jet off on jollys abroad they should direct their ire at Govt and EU who have made a hames out of vaccine rollout. Perhaps O'Leary with his jab and go slogan could actually start jabbing people in-flight leaving Ireland so they'll be covid free coming back. His Ryanair have deep pockets and the last time I checked an AZ jab was just €7.

bluelamp

Danno wrote: »

So you finally admit flights were and still are the problem. Well done, it only took you the best part of a year to twig this.

Do you honestly believe that our problems would be solved if flights stopped?

Ireland has had the largest reduction of international passengers in Europe.

There are now more trucks and drivers arriving everyday (mostly from the UK), than there are passengers arriving in Irish airports.

Then there's the northern ireland issue that has been discussed to death.

Who am I to say you're wrong... but I think its extremely naieve to believe that after a 95%+ reduction in flights and a negative pcr test now required, that flights are a significant driver of this at the moment.

Danno

bluelamp wrote: »

Do you honestly believe that our problems would be solved if flights stopped?

Ireland has had the largest reduction of international passengers in Europe.

There are now more trucks and drivers arriving everyday (mostly from the UK), than there are passengers arriving in Irish airports.

Then there's the northern ireland issue that has been discussed to death.

Who am I to say you're wrong... but I think its extremely naieve to believe that after a 95%+ reduction in flights and a negative pcr test now required, that flights are a significant driver of this at the moment.

While you raise valid points, the fundamental fact remains that we are on our third variant and all three have arrived here via international travel. Our efforts to eradicate the first variant was quite successful in reducing cases to single digits - an easy task for even our pi$$ poor contact tracing teams to contain.
Pretty much the whole of the Irish public was on board in achieving this. International travel restrictions were totally lifted last summer and once Irish people and other international travelers arrived in from Europe and beyond, cases gradually crept up in late-August and September thus ushering in a second lockdown.

The Irish people who didn't travel abroad last summer and even thereafter and instead obeyed restrictions/guidelines/advice have been punished with two further lockdowns. This is the complete fault of the Government, the EU and those who put their annual fun in the sun ahead of everything achieved to get to the position we were last June-July. Couple that with the sheer greed of certain industries who wanted their cheap labour from South America and fee paying students from all over.

End the lockdown, return to level 2 or level 3 restrictions and have your international travel if you really want, you cannot have level 5 and open airports. I really don't give one if the virus comes back and we see ~8000 cases a day again, it would be the slap in the face the government deserves at this stage for all of their double standards.

Either be like Sweden or be like NZ, this half way house is demeaning to man, woman and child.

Happydays2020

Danno wrote: »

While you raise valid points, the fundamental fact remains that we are on our third variant and all three have arrived here via international travel. Our efforts to eradicate the first variant was quite successful in reducing cases to single digits - an easy task for even our pi$$ poor contact tracing teams to contain.
Pretty much the whole of the Irish public was on board in achieving this. International travel restrictions were totally lifted last summer and once Irish people and other international travelers arrived in from Europe and beyond, cases gradually crept up in late-August and September thus ushering in a second lockdown.

The Irish people who didn't travel abroad last summer and even thereafter and instead obeyed restrictions/guidelines/advice have been punished with two further lockdowns. This is the complete fault of the Government, the EU and those who put their annual fun in the sun ahead of everything achieved to get to the position we were last June-July. Couple that with the sheer greed of certain industries who wanted their cheap labour from South America and fee paying students from all over.

End the lockdown, return to level 2 or level 3 restrictions and have your international travel if you really want, you cannot have level 5 and open airports. I really don't give one if the virus comes back and we see ~8000 cases a day again, it would be the slap in the face the government deserves at this stage for all of their double standards.

Either be like Sweden or be like NZ, this half way house is demeaning to man, woman and child.

The UK variant came in via Ports and travellers crossing the border. Are we going to shut the ports and the border?

JoeExotic81

Danno wrote: »

I am thoroughly delighted you burnt calories to push the keys and type that. Take a bow, sir.

Weird. Isn't there some weather to obsess over? Absolutely tragic case. There's no keys on a smartphone either you vegetable. Now go lock yourself in your attic or in your case your secret basement for fear one of those new variants blows in a window and takes your virginity.

Acosta

saabsaab wrote: »

Not restricted enough! 12,000 flew into Dublin in the first week in February!

Over twice that cross an open border we have with another country every day. And none of them have negative covid tests.