#SpeakOut - Sexual Assault Allegations Superthread

LineOfBeauty

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Funny. I don't listen to podcasts. Never really got them :pac:

But let's back track. I posted something and I prefaced it with "only my opinion" then you reply with:



... Which is sarcastic. See, you've already made up your mind. You are not looking to engage in a debate or discussion.
All you want is for me to get back so you can tell me how wrong I am.

So as I said before, go do this with someone else

I literally don't care about following you, I've no idea what you're opinions are on anything and honestly I don't really care. I saw a silly comment and called it out.

Debate? Your comment says you think this has overstepped the line because of several people backing up an assertion against Cornette. That's not the starting point of any debate when the subject matter is as serious as this one. It's a nice cop out that's available to cis White straight males when a subject hits a bit too close to home to cry "too far!"

That's where I'm leaving this because there's absolutely more important things to talk about in this thread than a made up poster agenda.

B.A._Baracus

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

I literally don't care about following you, I've no idea what you're opinions are on anything and honestly I don't really care. I saw a silly comment and called it out.

Debate? Your comment says you think this has overstepped the line because of several people backing up an assertion against Cornette. That's not the starting point of any debate when the subject matter is as serious as this one. It's a nice cop out that's available to cis White straight males when a subject hits a bit too close to home to cry "too far!"

That's where I'm leaving this because there's absolutely more important things to talk about in this thread than a made up poster agenda.

*Yawn*

jaykhunter

Mod note: trolling with get you a ban. Converse respectfully, or not at all.

sky88

jesus sammy what a horrible thing to say

https://twitter.com/wweshortyg/status/1274964647607627776?s=20

John Hutton

Tons of allegations against Joey Ryan, impact are done with him and he has deleted his Twitter accounts after an "apology"

Amazed how so many of the apologies are similar. Basically go as follows "I'm a bad person but am working on myself, I'm in therapy, I treated people bad and I'm sorry, it's clear I have more growing to do"

seandotcomm

sky88 wrote: »

jesus sammy what a horrible thing to say

https://twitter.com/wweshortyg/status/1274964647607627776?s=20

oh... dear....

J. Marston

Guevara is one of the biggest internet darlings right now, that will be quickly swept under the carpet by the IWC.

Itssoeasy

J. Marston wrote: »

Guevara is one of the biggest internet darlings right now, that will be quickly swept under the carpet by the IWC.

But that defeats the whole point of calling these people out on behaviour that is clearly not okay. Either everyone gets called out or don't bother.

B.A._Baracus

"bro, sasha banks, oh, oh my god, when .... when I was at the WWE the other week I wanted to just go f**king rape that woman"

Sammy, who was 22 at the time, is an idiot.
Look when I was 22 I was a bigger idiot in many ways than him I am sure but I wouldn't go saying anything like that.

B.A._Baracus

Itssoeasy wrote: »

But that defeats the whole point of calling these people out on behaviour that is clearly not okay. Either everyone gets called out or don't bother.

Thing is Sammy is AEW and AEW are currently using a convicted rapist that is Mike Tyson so they will quietly move on from this.

Itssoeasy

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Thing is Sammy is AEW and AEW are currently using a convicted rapist that is Mike Tyson so they will quietly move on from this.

So AEW are hypocrites then.

J. Marston

Itssoeasy wrote: »

But that defeats the whole point of calling these people out on behaviour that is clearly not okay. Either everyone gets called out or don't bother.

Of course it does but that's how the internet works, unfortunately. The mods took down the first thread on this over on Reddit, for example.

Anyway, put in a room again with Lacey. She'll straighten him out...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weLK5kEODW4

B.A._Baracus

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So AEW are hypocrites then.

Well facts are facts. Tyson was not only accused but convicted on rape.
Doesn't exactly mesh well with the #SpeakOut movement.

Itssoeasy

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Well facts are facts. Tyson was not only accused but convicted on rape.
Doesn't exactly mesh well with the #SpeakOut movement.

Well supposedly they are. I went to Reddit and the old youth excuse is there and Jim cornettes name is mentioned when there is no reason to mention it.

I think the metoo and speak out movement are good and needed to happen but what takes away their power is how selective it can be at times and how names are thrown out there sometimes who are accused of anything directly it sticks.

B.A._Baracus

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well supposedly they are. I went to Reddit and the old youth excuse is there and Jim cornettes name is mentioned when there is no reason to mention it.

I think the metoo and speak out movement are good and needed to happen but what takes away their power is how selective it can be at times and how names are thrown out there sometimes who are accused of anything directly it sticks.

There is a lot of hypocrissy in life.
By law, Tyson is a convicted rapist. But he is also one of "the greatest heavyweights of all time" and "one of the baddest m'f'ers on the planet" at one point. People tend to hold that in higher regard more.

Yet someone like John Leslie (british tv presenter) had his career end after being "loosely" accused of rape. Ulrika Jonsson (who accused him) said enough details that people knew she was talking about Leslie but would never confirm or deny. I mention this because Leslie wasn't one of the greatest boxers of all time.

Now Leslie has been accused since of more things since. So don't show him any love. but he was a man who never had a day in court while Tyson did and lost. Yet Tyson still is making money and has a career.

Mad world we live in.

montyrebel

also posted in the irish promotions thread

Only getting round to reading the sunday papers now and Sunday life in particular has a story about Brian Corr, ex PWU, has worked for OTT up north mainly and a few other promotions, up in court on 2 counts of causing or inciting a boy under 16 to engage in sexual activity

Agent Coulson

From the outside looking in the Irish/UK wrestling scene looks rotten to the core everyone involved is going to be tainted now even by attachment to the scene as people will say how did you not know and why did you keep quiet about it.

John Hutton

Cornettes podcast is up, he's in fine fettle and out fighting (pretty convincingly)

Itssoeasy

John Hutton wrote: »

Cornettes podcast is up, he's in fine fettle and out fighting (pretty convincingly)

It's up now ? Jesus that's early.

John Hutton

Itssoeasy wrote: »

It's up now ? Jesus that's early.

It's his Monday you, the drive thru

briany

Loads of indie wrestlers have it out for Jim Cornette because he has sh*t all over their work quite un-apologetically many times, chief among them being Joey Janela. Cornette is far too wily to get taken down by trumped up accusations, if that is indeed what they are.

Mr.Nice Guy

Awesome response from Cornette. 'I'm going to go to the representative of the Kentucky State Commission, one of the most stringent in the country, it is a government agency, by extension he's a government official, and I'm going to ask him, "Hey do me some favours here cos these guys aren't playing along". You think the Commissioner is going to commit a crime for me so me and my wife can get laid?' :pac:

Sounds like the only thing he's 'guilty' of is being a swinger. I personally don't care about what people get up to in their private life as long as it's all consensual. I doubt he's ever abused his authority. With his lengthy enemy list, there was ample time for it to be exposed by now.

I reckon a lot of critics are piling in on those they don't like, although I can't talk as I'm enjoying Joey Ryan being in the firing line. I always thought that guy was a creep and an embarrassment to wrestling.

briany

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Awesome response from Cornette. 'I'm going to go to the representative of the Kentucky State Commission, one of the most stringent in the country, it is a government agency, by extension he's a government official, and I'm going to ask him, "Hey do me some favours here cos these guys aren't playing along". You think the Commissioner is going to commit a crime for me so me and my wife can get laid?' :pac:

Sounds like the only thing he's 'guilty' of is being a swinger. I personally don't care about what people get up to in their private life as long as it's all consensual. I doubt he's ever abused his authority. With his lengthy enemy list, there was ample time for it to be exposed by now.

I reckon a lot of critics are piling in on those they don't like, although I can't talk as I'm enjoying Joey Ryan being in the firing line. I always thought that guy was a creep and an embarrassment to wrestling.

People on the Internet generally don't care what's true or not. If someone they don't like is getting the treatment, they'll get on the bandwagon. And that's very much the case with this Jim Cornette story. For some, it'll be bad enough that Cornette has done at least some swinging, never mind that this is in no way a crime so long as it's consenting adults. More conservative people might find it morally objectionable, but that's a different issue.

Itssoeasy

John Hutton wrote: »

It's his Monday you, the drive thru

It's not usually out this early.

briany

I do have to say this idea of Cornette being a swinger is going to take a little getting used to. I thought he spent his days at the post office mailing off Mid-South DVDs and dusting down wrestling programmes from 1907, and maybe watching an episode of Family Guy at night before falling asleep on the couch.

LineOfBeauty

Text conversation between Riddle and Jamie Senegal is out. Looks pretty damning.

Also there's something so weird about seeing some WWE people attack Gueverra but not address the rapists and pedophiles on their own roster. Not that Gueverra shouldn't be attacked, he absolutely should, but it reeks of company deflection.

Finally, I can't believe how many people on here listen to Cornette.

Lord TSC

Gueverra throwing fuel on the fire by liking (and then unliking) a tweet defending his statement about Banks, rather than apologizing.

Itssoeasy

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Text conversation between Riddle and Jamie Senegal is out. Looks pretty damning.

Also there's something so weird about seeing some WWE people attack Gueverra but not address the rapists and pedophiles on their own roster. Not that Gueverra shouldn't be attacked, he absolutely should, but it reeks of company deflection.

Finally, I can't believe how many people on here listen to Cornette.

Why is it such a shock wrestling fans listen to podcasts about wrestling from people who've been in wrestling. I have in the past and will continue to skip his political ranting parts of his podcast and I disagree with him on many things and how he phrased them but in terms of wrestling history he's one of the best.

bennyl10

Lord TSC wrote: »

Gueverra throwing fuel on the fire by liking (and then unliking) a tweet defending his statement about Banks, rather than apologizing.

Apologised now, took long enough

bennyl10

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Why is it such a shock wrestling fans listen to podcasts about wrestling from people who've been in wrestling. I have in the past and will continue to skip his political ranting parts of his podcast and I disagree with him on many things and how he phrased them but in terms of wrestling history he's one of the best.

It’s shocking how people were so slow to believe the accusations about him, despite their being plenty

One allegation about others? Guilty.


To clarify, believe the accuser unless proven otherwise. I’m not saying different.

Cornette is a homophobic, sexist asshole.

The fact that proper refuse to believe the allegations about him could be true is insane

Insect Overlord

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Text conversation between Riddle and Jamie Senegal is out. Looks pretty damning.

You mean the texts that came out over the weekend, the ones that looked as if they might have been faked?

Lord TSC wrote: »

Gueverra throwing fuel on the fire by liking (and then unliking) a tweet defending his statement about Banks, rather than apologizing.

He tweeted an apology there about 3 minutes ago.

https://twitter.com/sammyguevara/status/1275130818353135617

I’ve made stupid, inappropriate and extremely offensive comments in my past. In my idiotic mind, I thought I was being funny in using words and terms that represent nothing but horror and pain. I am truly sorry for my hurtful words and actions, and I will never forgive myself.

LineOfBeauty

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Why is it such a shock wrestling fans listen to podcasts about wrestling from people who've been in wrestling. I have in the past and will continue to skip his political ranting parts of his podcast and I disagree with him on many things and how he phrased them but in terms of wrestling history he's one of the best.

You can listen to whoever you like but I don't think it should be a shock that you get judged listening to a guy whose publicly made racist, homophobic and sexist comments in the past and is now accused of basically manipulated rape.

J. Marston

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Text conversation between Riddle and Jamie Senegal is out. Looks pretty damning.

Also there's something so weird about seeing some WWE people attack Gueverra but not address the rapists and pedophiles on their own roster. Not that Gueverra shouldn't be attacked, he absolutely should, but it reeks of company deflection.

Finally, I can't believe how many people on here listen to Cornette.

You're the only one on here making this a WWE vs AEW thing.

Unsurprisingly.

LineOfBeauty

Scurll accused of sexually assaulting a drunk 16 year old.

LineOfBeauty

J. Marston wrote: »

You're the only one on here making this a WWE vs AEW thing.

Unsurprisingly.

Literally couldn't care less about a silly company feud. Honestly I'd rather both companies had the balls to fire all of these people. But those silly coordinated attacks you see the NXT roster do from time to time are the height of cringe. I think that post had a couple of more important things in it than that.

CastorTroy

Now the question is what kind of punishments should these people get?
Like you've got physical abuse, verbal abuse directed towards someone and then the likes of Sammy making a comment about someone on a show.
Any abuse should be severely punished.

Now look at what happened the guy who plays Ralph Dibney on the Flash. Lost his job for making racist and sexist "jokes" on twitter nearly a decade ago.

Lord TSC

https://twitter.com/SashaBanksWWE/status/1275140107473956866

Insect Overlord

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Text conversation between Riddle and Jamie Senegal is out. Looks pretty damning.

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Scurll accused of sexually assaulting a drunk 16 year old.

Are these new allegations, or are you only catching up with stuff from over the weekend now?

John Hutton

Cornette is highly entertaining imo and it is amusing how he really winds some people up.

He does hold some backwards views about some things, but for a guy of his age from Kentucky he is as liberal as you can get I'd say.

Personally I find his comments about religion way over the top and sometimes insulting.

I remember him being close to tears on a number of occasions talking about black people being murdered by police, particularly remember him talking about the poor man murdered crawling on the hotel corridor floor

I find his analysis of today's wrestling (like him I struggle to watch it and now rarely do, only after the fact if I hear something is good) pretty spot on. If he calmly explained in a nice way how a match could have been done better I think the vast majority would actually agree with his opinions. But he knows it is far more entertaining to be over the top and say that Kenny should be boiled in oil.

At the end of the day on his podcasts he slips in and out of the heel manager personality who says outrageous things.

It seems to work for him, as he says in today's podcast he is more over than ever.

ThePott

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Are these new allegations, or are you only catching up with stuff from over the weekend now?

He's correct on both counts. These are new:
The thread about Matt Riddle

https://twitter.com/thejamiesenegal/status/1275135620646567937

The accusation against Marty Scurll

https://twitter.com/mystickttn/status/1275128410759725058

Mr.Nice Guy

Been listening to Cornette for years, since the days of the awful Alice host, and the idea he's homophobic or sexist or racist or whatever is nonsense. I quite like his politicial thoughts personally, and love the promos on 'President Pigsh*t'. I'd agree with John Hutton above about the religious commentary. He's never shy about being a staunch atheist and some of his very strong takes felt uncomfortable at times.

I'd share his take on modern wrestling and I think he taps into a lot of frustration about the current offerings that have driven many, like myself, to no longer watch. He's also got a stunning knowledge of history and his chemistry with Brian Last is great, probably as they're friends in real life. He's also funny as hell. Add in the distinctive artwork of Travis Heckel on Youtube and it's streets ahead of other wrestling podcasts imo.

bennyl10

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Been listening to Cornette for years, since the days of the awful Alice host, and the idea he's homophobic or sexist or racist or whatever is nonsense. I quite like his politicial thoughts personally, and love the promos on 'President Pigsh*t'. I'd agree with John Hutton above about the religious commentary. He's never shy about being a staunch atheist and some of his very strong takes felt uncomfortable at times.

I'd share his take on modern wrestling and I think he taps into a lot of frustration about the current offerings that have driven many, like myself, to no longer watch. He's also got a stunning knowledge of history and his chemistry with Brian Last is great, probably as they're friends in real life. He's also funny as hell. Add in the distinctive artwork of Travis Heckel on Youtube and it's streets ahead of other wrestling podcasts imo.

He’s made numerous racist comments, include one recently on commentary

He’s made numerous homophobic comments on his podcast, recently regarding wrestlers In AAA and on AEW dark.

He only has his platform becuase of his past. This past is why people are ignoring the numerous accusations and it’s baffling

Accusation after accusation but sure it’s Jim it can’t be true

Agent Coulson

Will the WWE sack Riddle now like they did Gallagher

Lord TSC

Candice LeRae comments on the Joey Ryan situation.

https://twitter.com/CandiceLeRae/status/1275145803175268352

LineOfBeauty

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Are these new allegations, or are you only catching up with stuff from over the weekend now?

The Scurll one seems to be new, or at least the very time I've seen a full version of it. The Riddle one is the story going around but the victim has produced screenshots of their conversation from that night that backs up that they met up in a car.

bennyl10

Sammy suspended Indefinitely

Lithium93_

AEW statement on Sammy Guevara

AEW insists on doing our part to create a world of understanding and respect for humankind. We therefore strongly condemn the extremely offensive and hurtful words of Sammy Guevara. As such, effective immediately, Sammy is suspended without pay until further notice. Sammy has agreed to undergo extensive sensitivity training and, upon completion, his future status within the company will be re-evaluated.

During his suspension, his salary will be donated to the Women’s Center of Jacksonville.

undertaker fan 88

Lithium93_ wrote: »

AEW statement on Sammy Guevara

AEW insists on doing our part to create a world of understanding and respect for humankind. We therefore strongly condemn the extremely offensive and hurtful words of Sammy Guevara. As such, effective immediately, Sammy is suspended without pay until further notice. Sammy has agreed to undergo extensive sensitivity training and, upon completion, his future status within the company will be re-evaluated.

During his suspension, his salary will be donated to the Women’s Center of Jacksonville.

Good call by aew

Itssoeasy

So from reading around someone on another site has calculated that joey Ryan has 14 accusations against him. I don't know it's on here but it's a recent one and although it's anonymous it's ****ing vile. I mean a guy who's signature move involves his dick is actually a dick in real life.

hynesie08

I actually said that a months salary donated to a women's shelter and have him meet some victims of sexual violence was the appropriate punishment, so I think this is the fairest decision. If he comes out the other side better, job done, if not then ****can him.