“Senior politician, household name” sexually assaults girl [** NO NAMES **]

maestroamado

coinop wrote: »

Do you believe women or will you demand proof?

https://mobile.twitter.com/taisling/status/1274649516491366401

Until the person has the courage to give the politicians name and make an open complaint nothing happened.
Now every senior male politician in Dail under suspicion of sexual abuse.


On the basis of this i expect the accuser get fair hearing...

Would twitter be obliged to disclose the account of the original poster?
It's such a serious complaint.
There are so many investigations into facebook etc...

Truthvader

Well known Dublin lawyer in live porno sex show planning to breed killer wasps!

Cn we kill this stupid thread now or do you want to run a few pages speculating and hinting as to who this ?

Spon Farmer

RandomViewer wrote: »

Factories have come along way since your time, touching anyone or asking them personal questions would get you straight to the office, male or female, you've to fill out a report after getting a sticking plaster, imagine the paperwork if someone brushed past someone else's arse.

MoonUnit75 said it was much the same as mine although I now realise neither he nor I said when this was

Spon Farmer

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

This is a new low. I've seen lots of posters worry about false accusations, which is fair enough. It's always a balance of supporting a victim to come forward and not condemning anyone unless proved guilty. But this takes hhe biscuit and demonstrates how poisonous some poepe are. To wish a false allegation against someone because you don't like their politics is shameful.

I haven't read past this point in the thread yet but I'd hope the posters who purport to be worried about false allegations, have the integrity to call out this post.

P.S I strongly suspect most of the posters who pretend to worry about false allegations are really just opposed to too many victims coming forward.

Not me

My concern is the innocent getting smeared and that social media is not a healthy outlet for the victims


the fact you want to generalise sas a lot about you though

Spon Farmer

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Was in Amsterdam competing in an international event, went out afterwards

I'd say you were alright

1800_Ladladlad

Better Than Christ wrote: »

Boards has become a real cesspool recently. If the admins give a fuck about the site and the sinister direction they've allowed it to take, they'll have a long, hard look at this thread in particular.

There has been an increasing amount of posts over the past several weeks which are identical to this one. Coming from a specific group of users (pressure gang) that get upset because they cannot control the thread, who then resort to manipulative posting style such as the one above.

People have become fed up with a lot of issues that have and are continuing to affect us as a country and as individuals, but topics on here are more prevalent for a reason because they are valid and should be spoken about, you just don't like the fact we are!!

jimwallace197

KiKi III wrote: »

It can happen, I’ve already acknowledged that. But it’s rare. If you want an Irish source to learn about the prevalence of sexual violence in Ireland against men and women I suggest the SAVI report.

Tell me: When men started coming forward in the 90s in the media saying that they had been abused by priests decades before, did you assume they were mostly attention seekers or out for the compo as has been said repeatedly about women on this thread?

Difference is, the majority of those men were kids when this sexual abuse happened, not adult females.

Also, its hard to understand the grip the church had on Irish society at the time, of course its understandable alot of those boys were afraid of coming out.

Not relevant at all to the metoo movement and the current false rape culture that has developed as a result of scorned or attention seeking females.

Blondini

Truthvader wrote: »

Well known Dublin lawyer in live porno sex show planning to breed killer wasps!

Cn we kill this stupid thread now or do you want to run a few pages speculating and hinting as to who this ?

Gerald Bee-n

Spon Farmer

jimwallace197 wrote: »

Difference is, the majority of those men were kids when this sexual abuse happened, not adult females.

Also, its hard to understand the grip the church had on Irish society at the time, of course its understandable alot of those boys were afraid of coming out.

Not relevant at all to the metoo movement and the current false rape culture that has developed as a result of scorned or attention seeking females.

The only way you could know a rape accusation was false is if you were there.

I am certain there are plenty of women who are lying for various reasons but there plenty who are telling the truth too. To say it is some massive conspiracy against manhood is just nonsense.

However you are correct in regards to abuse in the Church. There is a big difference between it happening to children and to adults.

Spon Farmer

Blondini wrote: »

Gerald Bee-n

What does that mean?

Ultima Thule

She was just waiting for the Green party to be in government.

Tell me how

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

There has been an increasing amount of posts over the past several weeks which are identical to this one. Coming from a specific group of users (pressure gang) that get upset because they cannot control the thread, who then resort to manipulative posting style such as the one above.

People have become fed up with a lot of issues that have and are continuing to affect us as a country and as individuals, but topics on here are more prevalent for a reason because they are valid and should be spoken about, you just don't like the fact are!!

But not when it comes to women talking about the abuse they have suffered. If it didn't happen in the last few days, they didn't go to the Gardai about it and they don't have concrete evidence or supporting witnesses, then, they really should stop talking about it. Shouldn't they?

I'm all for discussion (what else is Boards for after all) and when you see some talk about a 'false claim culture' like that is what the big problem in society is then a discussion most definitely needs to be had.

jimwallace197

Spon Farmer wrote: »

The only way you could know a rape accusation was false is if you were there.

I am certain there are plenty of women who are lying for various reasons but there plenty who are telling the truth too. To say it is some massive conspiracy against manhood is just nonsense.

However you are correct in regards to abuse in the Church. There is a big difference between it happening to children and to adults.

Yes, but you see the issue is, is that what has become common in recent times is that even if a woman has no credit-ability (lying about details), coming forward after a very long period of time (even though she was an adult when it happened) & is completely inconsistent in what she is saying, she will still be believed/allowed to proceed and ruin a mans life through a false allegation of rape.

This is what is happening in most western countries. Its ridiculous and proper sentences need to start being handed to females who lie about a crime as serious as this to get revenge.

Male human rights are being eradicated in the western world. No two ways about it

statesaver

It's on twitter so must be true. Bieber guilty too. Believe all women no wait, sorry believe twitter accounts

Better Than Christ

Better Than Christ wrote: »

Boards has become a real cesspool recently. If the admins give a fuck about the site and the sinister direction they've allowed it to take, they'll have a long, hard look at this thread in particular.

"Boards has become a cesspool" says a poster who thinks we should all take Twitter loons at their word :rolleyes:

Spon Farmer

jimwallace197 wrote: »

Yes, but you see the issue is, is that what has become common in recent times is that even if a woman has no credit-ability (lying about details), coming forward after a very long period of time (even though she was an adult when it happened) & is completely inconsistent in what she is saying, she will still be believed/allowed to proceed and ruin a mans life through a false allegation of rape.

This is what is happening in most western countries. Its ridiculous and proper sentences need to start being handed to females who lie about a crime as serious as this to get revenge.

Male human rights are being eradicated in the western world. No two ways about it

I have expressed concern about using social media for this for both a victim's mental well being and the potential for innocent parties to be smeared, but can you please point to where this out of control false accusations onslaught is occurring?

Who are these hordes of men being ruined by this worldwide calamity?

Granted there is a few uppity PC types showing up in my area of work now but it won't last. And I have always preferred working with women and having a women in charge. Less ****ing melodrama.

As to "Male human rights are being eradicated in the western world". So what? I'm married - I gave up my rights long ago over a decade ago.

Tell me how

jimwallace197 wrote: »

Yes, but you see the issue is, is that what has become common in recent times is that even if a woman has no credit-ability (lying about details), coming forward after a very long period of time (even though she was an adult when it happened) & is completely inconsistent in what she is saying, she will still be believed/allowed to proceed and ruin a mans life through a false allegation of rape.

This is what is happening in most western countries. Its ridiculous and proper sentences need to start being handed to females who lie about a crime as serious as this to get revenge.

Male human rights are being eradicated in the western world. No two ways about it

Do you want to hazard a guess (nobody knows categorically one way or the other) as to which is the greater number, people being falsely accused of having committed sexual assault, or people having suffered sexual assault.

And, let me be clear, neither is something I hope I or anyone I care about ever experiences, but I do not think that they are both happening in anything close to equal numbers.

Queasy Tadpole

How many new allegations against singers, DJs, television stars have come out today?

I think this is a troll attack, a group of people banding together to produce these lies and then let the mob run with it.

This is it

I think my main issue, with regards to the allegation, is that a senior politician was called out. I've no issue with women or men sharing their story, wherever they want, but I would be concerned that she has cast a net over a small enough number of people and called them all into question until the person she's accusing is outted. I also believe if someone is to be named, it should be at a Garda station and not social media.

I don't know this girl, I'd never heard of her before this thread. Do I believe her? It's easier in my opinion to make a judgement on these things when you know the person. Are they generally honest, trustworthy, etc. but really, I've no reason right now not to believe her. That may change in future, who knows.

I'm trying to understand this thread from both points of view. Unfortunately a thread like this, and some replies to that girl's tweets, are the very reason some genuine victims won't come forward, which is horrible to think.

frozenfrozen

Tell me how wrote: »

Do you want to hazard a guess (nobody knows categorically one way or the other) as to which is the greater number, people being falsely accused of having committed sexual assault, or people having suffered sexual assault.

And, let me be clear, neither is something I hope I or anyone I care about ever experiences, but I do not think that they are both happening in anything close to equal numbers.

what does the ratio have to do with the process of finding out if someone is guilty before their life is ruined?

Are more people murdered or falsely accused of being a murderer? Could you hazard a guess at the ratio

jimwallace197

Spon Farmer wrote: »

I have expressed concern about using social media for this for both a victim's mental well being and the potential for innocent parties to be smeared, but can you please point to where this out of control false accusations onslaught is occurring?

Who are these hordes of men being ruined by this worldwide calamity?

Granted there is a few uppity PC types showing up in my area of work now but it won't last. And I have always preferred working with women and having a women in charge. Less ****ing melodrama.

As to "Male human rights are being eradicated in the western world". So what? I'm married - I gave up my rights long ago over a decade ago.

Do you understand that alot of men who have been accused of rape especially in Ireland, that it doesnt become public knowledge unless he is found guilty and the victim waives her right to anonymity.

Who knows how many have been accused/charged as a result of false accusations unless they have been found guilty in a court of law and even after this, that the victim waives her right to anonymity.

What we dont know is the amount of men/people that have had to go through this system before being found not guilty.

How many times have they been compensated, how many times have these witches had to face the consequences of their lies??? Truth is, f**k all, and we as a country accept this. Why, because in this country, its more popular to man up and shut up. Shower of gob****es we are and we dont even know it.

El_Duderino 09

KiKi III wrote: »

Tell me: When men started coming forward in the 90s in the media saying that they had been abused by priests decades before, did you assume they were mostly attention seekers or out for the compo as has been said repeatedly about women on this thread?

In my experience, that's exactly what loads of people did. That's what took them victims so long to come forward. They were shouted down, called deviants and ganged up on by the church, police and the public. The result was it took decades for loads of them to come forward and it took loads of thwm coming forward in a short space of time for them to gather the momentum to be taken seriously.

Loads of these types of people need to be dragged, kicking and scream, at every turn. If they were around back in the 90s, they'd have been using the same lines about false accusations, why didn't they just come forward at the time etc. Some people just don't like change even when it's a case of people seeking justice for serious crimes. It's just the way some people are.

Spon Farmer

jimwallace197 wrote: »

Do you understand that alot of men who have been accused of rape especially in Ireland, that it doesnt become public knowledge unless he is found guilty and the victim waives her right to anonymity.

Who knows how many have been accused/charged as a result of false accusations unless they have been found guilty in a court of law and even after this, that the victim waives her right to anonymity.

What we dont know is the amount of men/people that have had to go through this system before being found not guilty.

How many times have they been compensated, how many times have these witches had to face the consequences of their lies??? Truth is, f**k all, and we as a country accept this. Why, because in this country, its more popular to man up and shut up. Shower of gob****es we are and we dont even know it.

I know of plenty of false accusations. I know of even more that are true.

I couldn't even guess at how many victims there are that we don't know about.

The false accusations have nothing to do with the real victims of sex crimes.

Annasopra

maestroamado wrote: »

Until the person has the courage to give the politicians name and make an open complaint nothing happened.
Now every senior male politician in Dail under suspicion of sexual abuse.


On the basis of this i expect the accuser get fair hearing...

Would twitter be obliged to disclose the account of the original poster?
It's such a serious complaint.
There are so many investigations into facebook etc...

The account of the original poster? She isnt anonymous

Silentcorner

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

In my experience, that's exactly what loads of people did. That's what took them victims so long to come forward. They were shouted down, called deviants and ganged up on by the church, police and the public. The result was it took decades for loads of them to come forward and it took loads of thwm coming forward in a short space of time for them to gather the momentum to be taken seriously.

Loads of these types of people need to be dragged, kicking and scream, at every turn. If they were around back in the 90s, they'd have been using the same lines about false accusations, why didn't they just come forward at the time etc. Some people just don't like change even when it's a case of people seeking justice for serious crimes. It's just the way some people are.

And you'd have been at the forefront...leading the change back then too right!!!

Try convince a feminist or the National Womens Council that women are capable of committing domestic violence and see how far you get.....try to convince them that women are capable of making a false rape/sexual assault accusation and see where you get...these are the same people/organisations that have been peddling lies for years and getting away with it....who do you think is doing all this research...

These same people and organisations have been making out that women are more diversely affected by the current pandemic than men...or that female led countries have handled the pandemic better than male led countries and other such bo#####ology...they are pathological liars, well funded and are never taken to task in media.

https://www.concern.net/news/seven-reasons-why-covid-19-having-tougher-impact-women-and-girls

https://www.google.ie/search?source=hp&ei=0wTxXsKSH5CegQb62oy4BQ&q=female+led+countries+coronavirus&oq=female+led+countries+&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgYIABAWEB46BQgAELEDOgQIABADOgUIABCDAToECAAQClD4qwFYw-MBYKH1AWgCcAB4AoABtwOIAdYRkgEKMjIuMi4wLjEuMZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXqwAQA&sclient=psy-ab


Don't kid yourself El Duderino...if we were back in the day, you'd be a pious nun.

Gruffalux

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Some people just don't like change even when it's a case of people seeking justice for serious crimes. It's just the way some people are.

That is not what is happening in this case . The tweeter is not seeking justice. (Quite what they are doing I have wondered.)
Tweeting sexual assault accusations about unnamed people is not useful to her re justice.

El_Duderino 09

Bambi wrote: »

Say it aint so Joe, say it aint so!

OK and you might think that's clever but I doubt you'd support the same suspicion that sports coaches are in camouflage to get close to children or teachers are camouflaged deviants.

I'd just wait to see if there's evidence rather than casting asperaions because you don't like someone's political views.

Shavery Bullock

You know, this actor who's being accused dismissed the mass sexual assaults on German women in 2015 as 'anecdotal'.

Karma's a bitch, ain't it?

Spon Farmer

Has the woman posted any details about what actually happened?

Did he rub her leg and then just stop? Did he talk to her later and try seduce her?

Did she say anything out loud or confront him?

I'm asking because I've never understood what a guy gets from touching a leg or rubbing up against a women in the office or the hands on the shoulders.

Is a hand on the leg all this politician needs to blow his load? Although I'd say he probably isn't able to even get an erection which is why he is afraid to just ask for sex.

suicide_circus

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

OK and you might think that's clever but I doubt you'd support the same suspicion that sports coaches are in camouflage to get close to children or teachers are camouflaged deviants.

I'd just wait to see if there's evidence rather than casting asperaions because you don't like someone's political views.

Perhaps it's his "lived experience"?