College consent crisis: students forced or threatened into sex

JimmyVik

Wait and see.
If you havent been to a consent class it will be noted and will count against you when you are accused.

gauchesnell

JimmyVik wrote: »

Wait and see.
If you havent been to a consent class it will be noted and will count against you when you are accused.

jesus christ shut up. Do you even read what you have written....when you are accused.

Good god what the hell are you doing to put yourself in a situation where you will be accused.

Stop and think before writing ok.

If you think you will be accused you are doing something wrong.

JimmyVik

gauchesnell wrote: »

jesus christ shut up. Do you even read what you have written....when you are accused.

Good god what the hell are you doing to put yourself in a situation where you will be accused.

Stop and think before writing ok.

If you think you will be accused you are doing something wrong.

Calm down there.
Nobody attacked you.
And I wasnt accusing you.

Nermal

gauchesnell wrote: »

Good god what the hell are you doing to put yourself in a situation where you will be accused.

No smoke without fire, eh, gauchesnell?

gauchesnell

JimmyVik wrote: »

Calm down there.
Nobody attacked you.
And I wasnt accusing you.

what you have written is insulting though cop on. If what you have written is in anyway correct that is the attitude that needs correcting

its not funny at all

gauchesnell

Nermal wrote: »

No smoke without fire, eh, gauchesnell?

well yes.

sickening

Silentcorner

gauchesnell wrote: »

what you have written is insulting though cop on. If what you have written is in anyway correct that is the attitude that needs correcting

its not funny at all

Can you tell me, what exactly did Sil Fox, an 87 year old man, do wrong to deserve a damaged reputation and the trauma of a court case?

He was dragged into a court in this country just last month.

https://www.thejournal.ie/sil-fox-sexual-assault-cleared-courts-5109092-May2020/

JimmyVik

gauchesnell wrote: »

what you have written is insulting though cop on. If what you have written is in anyway correct that is the attitude that needs correcting

its not funny at all

Oh, the irony of the aggression of your posts here.
Take a deep breath and think about it.

gauchesnell

JimmyVik wrote: »

Oh, the irony of the aggression of your posts here.
Take a deep breath and think about it.

stop and think yourself. I work in a university and deal directly with students. I have worked with students and staff on this consent training.

I have personal experience of students dealing with trauma following sexual harrassment and assault.

I have personal experience of sexual assault.

I have aggression towards people who think sexual harassment and assault is funny in any way. I have aggression to people who think its funny that they "might be accused".

I will assume you are male by that post by the way.

JimmyVik

gauchesnell wrote: »

stop and think yourself. I work in a university and deal directly with students. I have worked with students and staff on this consent training.

I have personal experience of students dealing with trauma following sexual harrassment and assault.

I have personal experience of sexual assault.

I have aggression towards people who think sexual harassment and assault is funny in any way. I have aggression to people who think its funny that they "might be accused".

I will assume you are male by that post by the way.

You are possibly the most aggressive and accusatory poster in this thread.
The way you have attacked and accused me is pathetic. And I have done absolutely nothing to you.
You blew a simple comment out of all proportion and jumped on me like I should be castrated or something.
Can you not see the irony?

gauchesnell

JimmyVik wrote: »

You are possibly the most aggressive and accusatory poster in this thread.
Can you not see the irony?

please stop. If you are student it is not in your best interest to post inflammatory stuff on the internet and could be traced back to you.

You have posted that not attending consent training would count against you when you are accused.

When you are accused.

This means you are currently engaging in unacceptable behaviour. Stop.

Noone think likes this - it is the same as saying when I am caught.

Disgusting and horrendous attitude to have. No excuses.

gauchesnell

JimmyVik wrote: »

You are possibly the most aggressive and accusatory poster in this thread.
The way you have attacked and accused me is pathetic. And I have done absolutely nothing to you.
You blew a simple comment out of all proportion and jumped on me like I should be castrated or something.
Can you not see the irony?

That you think your comment is trivial is the truly shocking point

That is the point of consent training

You took the time and wrote that down. Like being accused of sexual assault is normal and acceptable

Just stop

JimmyVik

gauchesnell wrote: »

please stop. If you are student it is not in your best interest to post inflammatory stuff on the internet and could be traced back to you.

You have posted that not attending consent training would count against you when you are accused.

When you are accused.

This means you are currently engaging in unacceptable behaviour. Stop.

Noone think likes this - it is the same as saying when I am caught.

Disgusting and horrendous attitude to have. No excuses.

OMG. Please. Stop accusing people of serious things that they have not done. This is frightening behavior you are displaying. I wont post anymore on the subject because you clearly cant see it.

gauchesnell

JimmyVik wrote: »

OMG. Please. Stop accusing people of serious things that they have not done. This is frightening behavior you are displaying. I wont post anymore on the subject because you clearly cant see it.

Good dont post again. Your attitude is appalling and should not be tolerated anywhere.

I repeat if you think you will be accused you are doing something wrong.

It is not funny.

Rodin

Silentcorner wrote: »

Can you tell me, what exactly did Sil Fox, an 87 year old man, do wrong to deserve a damaged reputation and the trauma of a court case?

He was dragged into a court in this country just last month.

https://www.thejournal.ie/sil-fox-sexual-assault-cleared-courts-5109092-May2020/

DPP needs to prosecute his accuser.
Every person found to have lied about sexual assault needs to be prosecuted.

Wibbs

gauchesnell wrote: »

please stop. If you are student it is not in your best interest to post inflammatory stuff on the internet and could be traced back to you.

Ooh escalating to veiled threats now eh? Off to the retraining camps we should go if we ask questions eh?

You have posted that not attending consent training would count against you when you are accused.

When you are accused.

This means you are currently engaging in unacceptable behaviour. Stop.

Noone think likes this - it is the same as saying when I am caught.

Disgusting and horrendous attitude to have. No excuses.

Right to supposition of guilt. Nice. Oh by the by everybody has an agenda, yours becomes more plain to see with every post. And you wonder why some may have concerns about the possible agendas behind so called consent classes?

Wibbs

Rodin wrote: »

DPP needs to prosecute his accuser.
Every person found to have lied about sexual assault needs to be prosecuted.

Difficult to do. Not so dissimilar to sexual assault cases themselves. With many if not most such cases unless the court sees clear documentary proof it boils down to which side do you believe.

gauchesnell

Wibbs wrote: »

Ooh escalating to veiled threats now eh? Off to the retraining camps we should go if we ask questions eh?

Right to supposition of guilt. Nice. Oh by the by everybody has an agenda, yours becomes more plain to see with every post. And you wonder why some may have concerns about the possible agendas behind so called consent classes?

Oh good god. What agenda.

Have you actually attended any of these classes or even seen them in action.

Someone making fun of when they will be accused of sexual assault is not funny. Maybe thats just me.

gauchesnell

Wibbs wrote: »

Ooh escalating to veiled threats now eh? Off to the retraining camps we should go if we ask questions eh?

Right to supposition of guilt. Nice. Oh by the by everybody has an agenda, yours becomes more plain to see with every post. And you wonder why some may have concerns about the possible agendas behind so called consent classes?

Do you actually know how a university works???

MoonUnit75

You know it might just turn out that the Covid restrictions and online classes in the universities could have the beneficial side effect of de-escalating the ideological radicalisation of the next generation of students. It would be an interesting experiment to track the level of self-righteous finger pointing and lynchings on Twitter and other social media over the next decade to see if there's a corresponding dip.

Rubberchikken

If gauchesnell's posts are even a vague example of the way people on college campuses react to any difference of opinion re. Sexual assault then maybe someone in charge needs to rethink things.

The hysteria and impression of 'only this way is the right way' is frightening.

Not every man is a danger. Not every woman is a liar.

People need to be educated in a calm, factual manner not the silly hysteria that does no good to anyone.

Ficheall

freshpopcorn wrote: »

My view in this is they can be a few people out there who doesn’t know what rape and sexual assault is. Now include to types of people in this those who may think they can sleep with somebody who is passed out and those who think having somebody chat you up is sexual assault. But they aren’t overly common.

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southstar

Wibbs wrote: »

Ooh escalating to veiled threats now eh? Off to the retraining camps we should go if we ask questions eh?

Right to supposition of guilt. Nice. Oh by the by everybody has an agenda, yours becomes more plain to see with every post. And you wonder why some may have concerns about the possible agendas behind so called consent classes?[/quote

Everybody has an agenda???That's about insightful a comment as saying everybody has a cat ..

Wibbs

gauchesnell wrote: »

Do you actually know how a university works???

Well according to this latest research they have rape stats that would shame urban war zones. So do pray tell inform us how a university works.

I note you avoided my point about your veiled threat to the other poster. Well, not so veiled. Clumsy and obvious more like. A be a good little boy now or I'll tell teacher basically. A little bit of social correction never hurt anyone eh?

As for agendas, like I said everyone has one, or at least a particular slant on a subject. Academia fosters them more than most arenas, which can be a positive and negative. Oh and a sure sign that you have an agenda is being absolutely convinced that you don't. Answer me this if you will; in a consent class what agency is ascribed and expected of from women?

southstar

Wibbs wrote: »

Ooh escalating to veiled threats now eh? Off to the retraining camps we should go if we ask questions eh?

Right to supposition of guilt. Nice. Oh by the by everybody has an agenda, yours becomes more plain to see with every post. And you wonder why some may have concerns about the possible agendas behind so called consent classes?

Everybody has an agenda?? Deep.
That's about an insightful a comment as saying everybody has a cat.

Wibbs

Rubberchikken wrote: »

If gauchesnell's posts are even a vague example of the way people on college campuses react to any difference of opinion re. Sexual assault then maybe someone in charge needs to rethink things.

The hysteria and impression of 'only this way is the right way' is frightening.

Not every man is a danger. Not every woman is a liar.

People need to be educated in a calm, factual manner not the silly hysteria that does no good to anyone.

Bingo. However in the current climate that tends towards the gender politic, with a side order of hysteria, good luck with that R.

Wibbs

southstar wrote: »

Everybody has an agenda?? Deep.
That's about an insightful a comment as saying everybody has a cat.

Not everybody has a cat.

gauchesnell

Wibbs wrote: »

Well according to this latest research they have rape stats that would shame urban war zones. So do pray tell inform us how a university works.

I note you avoided my point about your veiled threat to the other poster. Well, not so veiled. Clumsy and obvious more like. A be a good little boy now or I'll tell teacher basically. A little bit of social correction never hurt anyone eh?

As for agendas, like I said everyone has one, or at least a particular slant on a subject. Academia fosters them more than most arenas, which can be a positive and negative. Oh and a sure sign that you have an agenda is being absolutely convinced that you don't. Answer me this if you will; in a consent class what agency is ascribed and expected of from women?

I honestly dont know what you are talking about. It is not a veiled threat. Students get reported for what they post online all they time - especially when there is a serious concern about their behaviour and if they study certain subjects.

I dont carry out the training by the way.

My apologies I dont undertstand your question - I simply cant see it as I am on my phone.

MoonUnit75

Rubberchikken wrote: »

If gauchesnell's posts are even a vague example of the way people on college campuses react to any difference of opinion re. Sexual assault then maybe someone in charge needs to rethink things.

The hysteria and impression of 'only this way is the right way' is frightening.

Not every man is a danger. Not every woman is a liar.

People need to be educated in a calm, factual manner not the silly hysteria that does no good to anyone.

The problem is there is no one in charge. College administrations are terrified of the student activists. I think 'regulatory capture' is the way they described how the banks here had the supposed regulatory authorities afraid of rocking the boat before the crash, basically 'don't touch us, we're holding the baby', whereas here it's 'don't touch us, we're carrying the bomb'.

gauchesnell

Rubberchikken wrote: »

If gauchesnell's posts are even a vague example of the way people on college campuses react to any difference of opinion re. Sexual assault then maybe someone in charge needs to rethink things.

The hysteria and impression of 'only this way is the right way' is frightening.

Not every man is a danger. Not every woman is a liar.

People need to be educated in a calm, factual manner not the silly hysteria that does no good to anyone.

I think you are confusing the law and university rules and practices

It is not a difference of opinion.

I take objection to anyone who think sexual assault is funny and "they will be accussed". If this person was a student and depending on what they study that is a concern.