Second wave

saabsaab

Deleted User wrote: »

A second wave will mean that some people didn’t practice personal responsibility. A second wave will mean that those of us who stayed home, did so for nothing.
A second wave will be a kick in the teeth for those of us who followed guidelines.

Nothing whatsoever to do with the government. They did everything possible. There’s no governing stupidity.

I know what you are saying but a Government must govern for the stupid as well. Personal responsibility is fine but if a significant segment of the population take little or no care and aren't forced to comply then it will quickly become a problem for all.

Tenzor07

saabsaab wrote: »

True. 15 out of a recent 23 cases were travel related. All for little if we continue to import cases from hotspots like texas.

2% of total cases due to Travel was the figure I saw, yet we're more animated about someone from Texas arriving on a practically empty flight and going into 14 day isolation?

Tenzor07

Just so we have all the causes of the 2nd wave laid out:

• Pubs not serving food
• Pubs serving food less than €9
• Queues at Penney’s
• Queues at woodies
• People not wearing masks
• Accelerating the reopening
• The crowds on malahide beach
• The crowds in glendalough
• Black lives matter protests
• The scene in dame lane
• House parties in cork
• Groups of teenagers not social distancing
• 20% of close contacts not attending testing
• Poor uptake on the tracker app
• Strawberry picking
• Crowds on grafton street

saabsaab

Tenzor07 wrote: »

2% of total cases due to Travel was the figure I saw, yet we're more animated about someone from Texas arriving on a practically empty flight and going into 14 day isolation?

Link below. Why import anyone from known hotspots? Madness.



https://www.irishpost.com/news/huge-rise-in-travel-related-coronavirus-cases-in-ireland-188774

Tenzor07

saabsaab wrote: »

Link below. Why import anyone from known hotspots? Madness.
https://www.irishpost.com/news/huge-rise-in-travel-related-coronavirus-cases-in-ireland-188774

Could have been someone who came down from Belfast #shuttheborders.

Quantum Erasure

Tenzor07 wrote: »

2% of total cases due to Travel was the figure I saw, yet we're more animated about someone from Texas arriving on a practically empty flight and going into 14 day isolation?

100% of total cases were due to travel, when you think of it.....

And I doubt everyone that arrives is going into a strict 2 week isolation either

John_Rambo

John_Rambo wrote: »

I reckon November. Won't be bad and there'll be localised lockdowns, not nationwide.

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

In the run up to Christmas? It would be bad for whatever localities are locked down of course . Destroying peoples livelihoods with this great leap backwards chi-com inspired nonsense isn’t the answer. Protecting the small minority of people who are at risk and letting the vast majority for whom this virus is not an issue get on with their lives is.

That's why I said it would be localised lockdowns in November. I don't know what chi-com is, but destroying people's livelihoods isn't the intention. We don't know what the long term affects of Covid-19 are, so localised lockdowns will be a thing in November to protect the small minority of people that are at risk whilst letting the vast majority of people get on with their lives. Expect civil disobedience though.

WashYourHands

bb1234567 wrote: »

The government could only be accused of doing too much the last few months, if theres a second wave it's on the people.

So if it's flown in by tourists then it's on the people?

bb1234567

WashYourHands wrote: »

So if it's flown in by tourists then it's on the people?

Tourists may spark an outbreak, but only locals have the power to stop that becoming a 'wave'. If Irish people maintain some level of carefulness, there will be no second wave, even if some infected tourists were to arrive.

faceman

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Just so we have all the causes of the 2nd wave laid out:

• Pubs not serving food
• Pubs serving food less than €9
• Queues at Penney’s
• Queues at woodies
• People not wearing masks
• Accelerating the reopening
• The crowds on malahide beach
• The crowds in glendalough
• Black lives matter protests
• The scene in dame lane
• House parties in cork
• Groups of teenagers not social distancing
• 20% of close contacts not attending testing
• Poor uptake on the tracker app
• Strawberry picking
• Crowds on grafton street

You forgot:

* Mary and Paddy coming home from their holidays in Benidorm

ShyMets

faceman wrote: »

You forgot:

* Mary and Paddy coming home from their holidays in Benidorm

Also missing is thousands of American tourists roaming unfettered around the countryside

Tenzor07

faceman wrote: »

You forgot:

* Mary and Paddy coming home from their holidays in Benidorm

Sure, they and Oisin & Dearbhla coming back from a vaycay at a Lake Como villa..

Tenzor07

ShyMets wrote: »

Also missing is thousands of American tourists roaming unfettered around the countryside

You got that right "Missing"....

rather absent would be a better word.

1st dalkey dalkey

Article in the Guardian today suggests that acquired immunity to covid 19 may be short lived.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/12/immunity-to-covid-19-could-be-lost-in-months-uk-study-suggests

This could be a real problem. It would mean that even if we do get a vaccine it may well be a short lived protection also.

We would have to wave bye bye to the idea of herd immunity also.

Add in all the side effects on people who contract it and survive, even those who get a very mild dose, and you can see that there is a huge problem building in public health.

Mind you, it would be a gold mine for the pharma industry.

is_that_so

1st dalkey dalkey wrote: »

Article in the Guardian today suggests that acquired immunity to covid 19 may be short lived.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/12/immunity-to-covid-19-could-be-lost-in-months-uk-study-suggests

This could be a real problem. It would mean that even if we do get a vaccine it may well be a short lived protection also.

We would have to wave bye bye to the idea of herd immunity also.

Add in all the side effects on people who contract it and survive, even those who get a very mild dose, and you can see that there is a huge problem building in public health.

Mind you, it would be a gold mine for the pharma industry.

It may not just be the antibodies. Some are urging more research on T-cell responses.

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/07/07/more-on-t-cells-antibody-levels-and-our-ignorance

Ago1960

1st dalkey dalkey wrote: »

Article in the Guardian today suggests that acquired immunity to covid 19 may be short lived.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/12/immunity-to-covid-19-could-be-lost-in-months-uk-study-suggests

This could be a real problem. It would mean that even if we do get a vaccine it may well be a short lived protection also.

We would have to wave bye bye to the idea of herd immunity also.

Add in all the side effects on people who contract it and survive, even those who get a very mild dose, and you can see that there is a huge problem building in public health.

Mind you, it would be a gold mine for the pharma industry.

Good man Keep the hysteria at fever pitch. :eek:

AudreyHepburn

Without a doubt there’ll be a second wave. People in this country are far too selfish and self entitled to follow the rules and listen to common sense.

bucketybuck

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Without a doubt there’ll be a second wave. People in this country are far too selfish and self entitled to follow the rules and listen to common sense.

Since every cluster of cases will be deemed to be a 2nd wave then a 2nd wave is inevitable, no doubt about it.

We will be surfing waves of coronavirus there will be that many of them.

average_runner

Ago1960 wrote: »

Good man Keep the hysteria at fever pitch. :eek:

Well he is correct about the herd community , no proof it exists so far. No sign of vaccine either. Gone very quiet on that front

weldoninhio

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Without a doubt there’ll be a second wave. People in this country are far too selfish and self entitled to follow the rules and listen to common sense.

Ah we’ll get at least fifteen waves. At least. It’s coming for us. No measures are enough.

Tenzor07

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Without a doubt there’ll be a second wave. People in this country are far too selfish and self entitled to follow the rules and listen to common sense.

People in this country have complied fully with the restrictions over the past 4 months and we've seen Zero deaths on a number of days, as well as a small number of cases, so to say what you have claimed above is insulting to everyone who's sacrificed normal life to get to these low figures.

If you don't like people then stay away from them, including here on Boards.

irishgeo

average_runner wrote: »

Well he is correct about the herd community , no proof it exists so far. No sign of vaccine either. Gone very quiet on that front

A thread a few posts down says it's not gone quiet on that front.

AudreyHepburn

Tenzor07 wrote: »

People in this country have complied fully with the restrictions over the past 4 months and we've seen Zero deaths on a number of days, as well as a small number of cases, so to say what you have claimed above is insulting to everyone who's sacrificed normal life to get to these low figures.

If you don't like people then stay away from them, including here on Boards.

Not everyone has complied and less and less seem to be doing so now and that’s a problem whether you like it or not.

Just because restrictions are being lifted doesn’t mean we can just go straight back to the way things were. We will see numbers rising if people don’t reign themselves in.

AdamD

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Not everyone has complied and less and less seem to be doing so now and that’s a problem whether you like it or not.

Just because restrictions are being lifted doesn’t mean we can just go straight back to the way things were. We will see numbers rising if people don’t reign themselves in.

The lifting of restrictions has definitely confused people who think we're still in lockdown.

Most people are absolutely still complying...the rules have changed, so complying rightly means something different now than it did 2 months ago.

tobefrank321

Based on the experience in other countries such as Australia and the US (Florida), the reopening of pubs if done wrong could cause a huge spike. They will have to be tightly controlled and regulated.

KathleenGrant

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Based on the experience in other countries such as Australia and the US (Florida), the reopening of pubs if done wrong could cause a huge spike. They will have to be tightly controlled and regulated.

Good luck with that.

is_that_so

KathleenGrant wrote: »

Good luck with that.

They'll be grand. Some huge moral outrage over an incident or two and then it'll settle down.

timmy_mallet

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Not everyone has complied and less and less seem to be doing so now and that’s a problem whether you like it or not.

Just because restrictions are being lifted doesn’t mean we can just go straight back to the way things were. We will see numbers rising if people don’t reign themselves in.

What does 'reign themselves in' look like to you?

saabsaab

timmy_mallet wrote: »

What does 'reign themselves in' look like to you?

I guess it means wearing masks in crowded places enclosed spaces, being careful in general.

Harry Palmr

Israel is having a second wave right now. Ever since Benji told his people to behave like it was over.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/Israel/?ref=vc.ru