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Man charged with writing 'rat' on book of condolence for Garda Colm Horkan

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    #152
    FutureTeashock
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 439 ✭✭FutureTeashock


    A very distasteful act but NOT a crime in my opinion.


    The Irish constitution guarantees freedom of opinion and expression, so the High Court will rightly throw this case out.


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    #153
    dd973
    Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭dd973


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    A bit of a mixed bag. Plenty of descendents of Black and Tans knocking about.

    Never thought about that much, fair amount of English surnames among them, thought it was just a proximity thing.


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    #154
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    FutureTeashock wrote: »
    A very distasteful act but NOT a crime in my opinion.


    The Irish constitution guarantees freedom of opinion and expression, so the High Court will rightly throw this case out.

    This won't be thrown out, it is hardly ground breaking, lots of case law on it.


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    #155
    StackSteevens
    Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭StackSteevens


    FutureTeashock wrote: »
    A very distasteful act but NOT a crime in my opinion.


    The Irish constitution guarantees freedom of opinion and expression, so the High Court will rightly throw this case out.

    Why would it go to the High Court?


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    #156
    begbysback
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭begbysback


    dd973 wrote: »
    Someone once told me the Dublin underclass are descended from Famine people who flooded into the city in the 19th Century but didn't make it to Liverpool or further beyond, this makes sense in a way given they're such a particular section of Irish society, almost akin to Travellers in their separateness, even having a slew of surnames that might still be Irish but aren't commonly found in the rest of the country. They're extremely parochial as well, for the most part the Inner City/Darndale/Sheriff St and so on is their world.

    I've always barely viewed them as Irish, just Dubs/Jackeens/ or Dublin **** (that's reserved for the most obnoxious ones like the subject matter of the thread). Middle Class Dubs just come across to me as regular Irish people, Dubs with one or two country parents tend to be easier going as well.

    So they came into the city from the country, yet don’t have surnames common in the country.

    Just the minimum amount of intelligence is required here to see through the bull.


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    #157
    theteal
    Registered Users Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭theteal


    begbysback wrote: »
    So they came into the city from the country, yet don’t have surnames common in the country.

    Just the minimum amount of intelligence is required here to see through the bull.

    T'was my first thought but didn't think it warranted the effort of typing out. . .


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    #158
    begbysback
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭begbysback


    theteal wrote: »
    T'was my first thought but didn't think it warranted the effort of typing out. . .

    Yea, obviously a terrible liar, very amateurish, broke one of the 3 golden rules of lying, keep the lie simple, started to make the story too complicated and came undone - obviously an inexperienced liar.

    To help with all those amateur liars out there here’s the 3 golden rules.

    1) plant a seed
    2) keep the story simple
    3) try not to forget the lie


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    #159
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    dd973 wrote: »
    Someone once told me the Dublin underclass are descended from Famine people who flooded into the city in the 19th Century but didn't make it to Liverpool or further beyond, this makes sense in a way given they're such a particular section of Irish society, almost akin to Travellers in their separateness, even having a slew of surnames that might still be Irish but aren't commonly found in the rest of the country. They're extremely parochial as well, for the most part the Inner City/Darndale/Sheriff St and so on is their world.

    I've always barely viewed them as Irish, just Dubs/Jackeens/ or Dublin **** (that's reserved for the most obnoxious ones like the subject matter of the thread). Middle Class Dubs just come across to me as regular Irish people, Dubs with one or two country parents tend to be easier going as well.

    Jesus Krist what a load of bull.I come from a long line of people from the Liberties. the most wonderful hard working kind hearted people .Strong Dublin women who were amazing Mams and Nanas and Great Nanas


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    #160
    salonfire
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    Would the guards and courts be so quick to act if it was something like a roadside memorial to a non Garda that was defaced?

    Highly, highly unlikely.


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    #161
    LuasSimon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    salonfire wrote: »
    Would the guards and courts be so quick to act if it was something like a roadside memorial to a non Garda that was defaced?

    Highly, highly unlikely.

    Are you defending this scum bag ? Are you a free legal aid solicitor by any chance ?


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    #162
    Niallof9
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    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    A bit of a mixed bag. Plenty of descendents of Black and Tans knocking about.

    Yeah a quick glance at some names from the area in the crime stories is a fair give away.

    People forget Dublin, particularly in its docking and building was a boomtown in the 18th century. Many welsh dockers came here and from England etc. Fairview and parts of the end of Ballybough was home to many British soldiers.

    The most ardent pro nationalists in the inner city, i'd wager many aren't actually Irish going way back. but like many of us i suppose.


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    #163
    BattleCorp
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    Nozebleed wrote: »
    what law did he break?

    Criminal Damage Act, 1991

    “to damage” includes—

    (a) in relation to property other than data (but including a storage medium in which data are kept), to destroy, deface, dismantle or, whether temporarily or otherwise, render inoperable or unfit for use or prevent or impair the operation of


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    #164
    Allinall
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    FutureTeashock wrote: »
    A very distasteful act but NOT a crime in my opinion.


    The Irish constitution guarantees freedom of opinion and expression, so the High Court will rightly throw this case out.

    Thankfully your opinion doesn't count.


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    #165
    na1
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    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    Why? The judge earned his home.

    Why should anyone be made to live beside the scum except other scum?

    If Judges consider the person to be dangerous to the public, then why they release them on suspended sentence?
    Or if they think it is OK to release them, then it is OK to live next door to them.

    Currently this is exactly what judges are doing: "made someone to live beside the scum".


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    #166
    facehugger99
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    LuasSimon wrote: »
    Are you defending this scum bag ? Are you a free legal aid solicitor by any chance ?
    Allinall wrote: »
    Thankfully your opinion doesn't count.
    jmayo wrote: »
    Apologist for Scum.

    You aren't a member of the legal profession by any chance ?


    I think this particular piece of shyte should be moved to a Garda station in Mayo or Roscommon until his next hearing.

    The white-knighting by some posters to the very reasonable questions of how writing the word 'rat' constitutes criminal damage, is absolutely arse-clenchingly embarrassing to read.


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    #167
    dan1895
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    facehugger99 wrote: »
    The white-knighting by some posters to the very reasonable questions of how writing the word 'rat' constitutes criminal damage, is absolutely arse-clenchingly embarrassing to read.

    Read BattleCorp's post above. He defaced the book by writing "rat" on it. This is classed as criminal damage.


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    #168
    salonfire
    Registered Users Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭salonfire


    dan1895 wrote: »
    Read BattleCorp's post above. He defaced the book by writing "rat" on it. This is classed as criminal damage.

    What makes a word criminal damage? If he drew a squiggle on the book, would he be behind bars?


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    #169
    [Deleted User]
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    JustAThought wrote: »
    I’m not condoning what that scumbag did or wrote but there are criminal scum who have attacked people, vandalised property to the tune of thousands of euro, openly stolen property and are dealing and using drugs on the streets - and are utterly ignored by the gaurds and neither arreasted nor charges pressed nor any interest shown. its back to what always happens to get something done about a crime you need to know or be related to a gaurd and then you will be guaranteed a proper result.


    I’d like to see an independent commercial audit - and not by the Garda Ombudsman - done on all station calls and 999 calls and on victims of crime - then we would actually begin to have the basics of an honest perspective on how bad the situation and apathy has got on crime in Ireland from inside and outside the forces and how everyone views the criminal justice ‘system’ as utterly dysfunctional.

    What complete nonsense.

    Prisons are over their limits, courts are overflowing every single day, Garda stations closed overnightbecause their cells are full.......

    A ten second Google search dispells your rant


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    #170
    [Deleted User]
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    salonfire wrote: »
    What makes a word criminal damage? If he drew a squiggle on the book, would he be behind bars?

    Yes

    The other person that was arrested for defacing a book did exactly that. Scribbled

    It's also what the majority of graffiti artists do and that's also criminal damage.


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    #171
    [Deleted User]
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    na1 wrote: »
    If Judges consider the person to be dangerous to the public, then why they release them on suspended sentence?
    Or if they think it is OK to release them, then it is OK to live next door to them.

    Currently this is exactly what judges are doing: "made someone to live beside the scum".

    That's some very odd reasoning.

    Judges like myself and most people, bought their homes. That means we get a say in where we live.

    Judges are impartial, they stay neutral. That may annoy people sometimes but it's absolutely vital for our Justice system


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    #172
    jmayo
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    facehugger99 wrote: »
    The white-knighting by some posters to the very reasonable questions of how writing the word 'rat' constitutes criminal damage, is absolutely arse-clenchingly embarrassing to read.

    Well you would be the expert around here in all things ar**holeish.

    I am not allowed discuss …



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    #173
    bladespin
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    salonfire wrote: »
    What makes a word criminal damage? If he drew a squiggle on the book, would he be behind bars?

    It's not the word that's criminal damage, it's the act.

    It's also not a book, it's a book of condolence and thereby writing abuse in it would be considered as damaging the book.


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    #174
    gibsmedat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 51 ✭✭gibsmedat


    Jeff2 wrote: »
    This the guy.

    Wants to ride the guards but calling them gay.


    You ever heard of John Mongrel?


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    #175
    CrankyHaus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    Honestly the way the prosecution is being run suggssts the authorities know they have a weak case and are using the refusal of bail to punish him by keeping him inside until his trial.

    https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsireland/man-who-allegedly-wrote-rat-in-garda-colm-horkans-book-of-condolences-refused-bail/ar-BB15PDIA

    No complaints from me, but it would be nice if bail was also refused in the many many instances where criminals who were obviously going to reoffend go on to commit crimes up to and including murder while on bail.


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    #176
    [Deleted User]
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    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    Honestly the way the prosecution is being run suggssts the authorities know they have a weak case and are using the refusal of bail to punish him by keeping him inside until his trial.

    https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsireland/man-who-allegedly-wrote-rat-in-garda-colm-horkans-book-of-condolences-refused-bail/ar-BB15PDIA

    No complaints from me, but it would be nice if bail was also refused in the many many instances where criminals who were obviously going to reoffend go on to commit crimes up to and including murder while on bail.

    Judges refuse bail, judges aren't the prosecution.

    The simple reality is the presumption of innocence means that denying bail is jailing an innocent man.

    It sucks in cases like this but it's important.


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    #177
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    gibsmedat wrote: »
    You ever heard of John Mongrel?

    Anyway he will be a good source of pleasure during his week in custody


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    #178
    Esse85
    Registered Users Posts: 8,243 ✭✭✭Esse85


    Jeff2 wrote: »
    This the guy.

    Wants to ride the guards but calling them gay.


    DP


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    #179
    Esse85
    Registered Users Posts: 8,243 ✭✭✭Esse85


    Jeff2 wrote: »
    This the guy.

    Wants to ride the guards but calling them gay.


    Did this vermin even get charged for verbally assaulting AGS here?
    Surely you cannot get away with speaking to our national police force like that? What message does that send out?


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    #180
    Queasy Tadpole
    Registered Users Posts: 219 ✭✭Queasy Tadpole


    It's the same scummer who was in that Garda show.


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    #181
    nullzero
    Registered Users Posts: 17,070 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Jeff2 wrote: »
    This the guy.

    Wants to ride the guards but calling them gay.


    You'd be surprised the difference in these scrotes when they're alone and don't have an audience. The purpose of what he's doing is to provoke the Garda and then claim he was brutalised, it's a no lose situation for him, and a no win situation for the garda.

    Glazers Out!



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