Was Dublin better in the 80s?

FVP3

FVP3 wrote: »

Except in the meantime without much change to their lifestyle they stopped saving 200 a month because rent increased by more than 200 a month. Also house prices nearly doubled, so they needed 48K deposit.

This is literally what happened 2010 - 2019, at least. So the whole "people can save" is nonsense, if you are not taking into account house price increases and rent increases.

Rents and house prices were on the floor until 2013/2014.
Anyone serious about buying a house who can't save a few hundred a month isn't serious about buying a house.
When saving for a deposit you houseshare for a few years ....... most of us did it. Back in the boom (pre 2008 times) I was housesharing while colleagues were renting apartments and saving nothing....... to each their own........ but to claim saving is impossible is horsesh1t for the majority of folk who claim they can't save.

Tony EH

Augeo wrote: »

Rents and house prices were on the floor until 2013/2014.

And a lot of folk had no work. So the ability to save in your unconsidered reasoning simply wasn't there for many people. We had hundreds of thousands on the dole in Ireland and loads leaving the country too.

Plus, getting a mortgage isn't as easy as just rocking up to a broker with a deposit. There are other factors involved.

Your simplistic scenario of just save the money, while simple in your head, doesn't apply to the real world in many cases.





If things were so easy as you think the are, there wouldn't be an issue.

Bobblehats

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

In 80s, internet was awful, you couldn't even get snake to work on your landline.... Crap would not recommend

One of the bigger lads had a stash of razz magazines in the hedge over a garden wall down the lane. Rites of passage stuff you had to be big enough (or eager enough) to climb it. We’d sneak a peak, but they didn’t weather too well

FVP3

Augeo wrote: »

Rents and house prices were on the floor until 2013/2014.
Anyone serious about buying a house who can't save a few hundred a month isn't serious about buying a house.
When saving for a deposit you houseshare for a few years ....... most of us did it. Back in the boom (pre 2008 times) I was housesharing while colleagues were renting apartments and saving nothing....... to each their own........ but to claim saving is impossible is horsesh1t for the majority of folk who claim they can't save.

Yes, yes, you houseshared. We all houseshared.

It doesn't matter. If rent goes up and house prices increase then there is no way to make up the deposit.

Tony EH

Tony EH wrote: »

And a lot of folk had no work. So the ability to save in your unconsidered reasoning simply wasn't there for many people. We had hundreds of thousands on the dole in Ireland and loads leaving the country too.

Plus, getting a mortgage isn't as easy as just rocking up to a broker with a deposit. There are other factors involved.

Your simplistic scenario of just save the money, while simple in your head, doesn't apply to the real world in many cases.
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As well as the hundreds of thousands who were on the dole and who left there werre also hundreds of thousands working who saved fnck all as they bought in to train of though ..... sure fnck it......... will never get a house..... lets enjoy myself bla bla bla.......... 10 years on still no deposit or any other savings but plenty of nice phones, holidays, weekends away etc etc enjoyed.

There's a balance, those who strike it manage away in most cases.

FVP3

FVP3 wrote: »

Yes, yes, you houseshared. We all houseshared.

It doesn't matter. If rent goes up and house prices increase then there is no way to make up the deposit.

Complete and utter horsesh1t.
Anyone housesharing on a decent wage can save a deposit over a 2 to 5 years depending on their determination.

If they are buying as a single person than a 3 or 4 bed house isn't required...... if they are buying as a couple there's two incomes and two saving for a deposit.

Excuses will always be found.

CrankyHaus

Augeo wrote: »

Excuses will always be found.

Exactly. Excuses will always be found for this "I'm alright Jack" attitude.
Don't forget to blame millenials spending all their money on Avacado Toast.

CrankyHaus

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Exactly. Excuses will always be found for this "I'm alright Jack" attitude.
Don't forget to blame millenials spending all their money on Avacado Toast.

Ah yes, that ole chestnut.

I work with plenty mellenials who have bought homes in the last few years. Many are mid 30s now.
For the 20 somethings if they start saving they'll have a nice pot in 5+ years.

Heroditas

Charles Babbage wrote: »

As I was a student in UCD around them, I think the Stillorgan Road was not dualled around Mount Merrion Ave until 1981 or so. Around 1980 was the Haughey boom and new car sales were high, traffic was often bad then, but car numbers actually declined a bit towards 1986 and just like 2009-2010 there was a bit less traffic. Likewise it was hard to find a flat in 1980s and easier 5 years later.

Buses were rattly and diesel smelling compared to the modern fleet and people smoked upstairs.

There was some vile smog before Mary Harney banned the smokey coal.



But you could pay in £2 and see U2.

I grew up in Monkstown and my dad used to be able to leave the house at 8.05 in the early 80s and drive in to Fitzwilliam Square to start work at 8.30! :eek:
He started grumbling in the early 90s that he had to leave at 7.50 but that still got him into the city centre by 8.10. Otherwise he wouldn't get in until 8.45. You can barely even do those times on a Sunday night nowadays.

I remember the first section of the M50 opening. Literally a couple of lanes of motorway that extended for a few miles outside the city and then you were off it again.

Another poster mentioned all of Gardiner Street, Mountjoy Square etc being like Dresden. It really was like that. We used to visit relatives in Donabate (the depths of the countryside back then) and we'd drive through Irishtown and then onto Pearse Street. From Pearse, all the way up and over the Liffey, swing around by Busaras, up Gardiner Street etc ... my God, it was horrific. The whole route was shells of buildings propped up.

The pint analogy is interesting and drink is definitely cheaper in terms of the average wage. Bus fares might not be but supermarket food most definitely is. Check out any of the 80s ads on Youtube and some staples like vegetables are the same price now or even cheaper than then. Meat too.

I remember Poparama doing Saturday morning cinema showings in the Ambassador though. Wasn't all bad...

Macytoby

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Exactly. Excuses will always be found for this "I'm alright Jack" attitude.
Don't forget to blame millenials spending all their money on Avacado Toast.

I’m a millennial, as is herself. We’ve saved 30k to put towards an apartment. Most people our age spend much more extravagantly than we do.

If you spend 100 quid on a night out, twice a month, that’s 200 a month that could go towards savings. Or 4000 per year. 10 years you’d have 40k. It’s not that difficult. I think many people my age who grew up during boom times, are used to having their cake and eating it.

I find it tiresome listening to my generation bitch and moan about how hard we have it, when in fact Ireland’s population has never had it easier. If you can’t afford to buy, up skill and find a new job.

Feisar

Macytoby wrote: »

I’m a millennial, as is herself. We’ve saved 30k to put towards an apartment. Most people our age spend much more extravagantly than we do.

If you spend 100 quid on a night out, twice a month, that’s 200 a month that could go towards savings. Or 4000 per year. 10 years you’d have 40k. It’s not that difficult. I think many people my age who grew up during boom times, are used to having their cake and eating it.

I find it tiresome listening to my generation bitch and moan about how hard we have it, when in fact Ireland’s population has never had it easier. If you can’t afford to buy, up skill and find a new job.

The current mindset of instant gratification doesn't lend itself to this.

cgcsb

So what we have established is that the only gripe with modern Dublin is scarcity of housing and the only redeeming quality of Dublin in the 80s was the plentiful housing.

Generally speaking scarcity of housing is generally associated with places that are good places to live (attracting great numbers of people), so I think that pretty much resolves the question objectively of which era is preferable.

SlowMotion321

cgcsb wrote: »

So what we have established is that the only gripe with modern Dublin is scarcity of housing and the only redeeming quality of Dublin in the 80s was the plentiful housing.

Generally speaking scarcity of housing is generally associated with places that are good places to live (attracting great numbers of people), so I think that pretty much resolves the question objectively of which era is preferable.

Indeed I spent my growing up in the 70s and 80s either living in my folks home in Finglas or one of my brothers or sisters in Ballymun and there was plenty of housing if you didn't mind living around scumbags and junkies and their dealers! Don't get me wrong there were plenty of great people too, but anyone of my generation will tell you how hard it was to get a job if you had an address in either!

Tony EH

Augeo wrote: »

As well as the hundreds of thousands who were on the dole and who left there werre also hundreds of thousands working who saved fnck all as they bought in to train of though ..... sure fnck it......... will never get a house..... lets enjoy myself bla bla bla.......... 10 years on still no deposit or any other savings but plenty of nice phones, holidays, weekends away etc etc enjoyed.

There's a balance, those who strike it manage away in most cases.

:rolleyes:

You're just ranting now.

Tony EH

cgcsb wrote: »

So what we have established is that the only gripe with modern Dublin is scarcity of housing and the only redeeming quality of Dublin in the 80s was the plentiful housing.

Generally speaking scarcity of housing is generally associated with places that are good places to live (attracting great numbers of people), so I think that pretty much resolves the question objectively of which era is preferable.

Bad planning.

Tony EH

Tony EH wrote: »

:rolleyes:

You're just ranting now.

Not at all, I'm simply not in agreement with your lefty, hand out for a free gaf views.

Tony EH

Augeo wrote: »

Not at all, I'm simply not in agreement with your lefty, hand out for a free gaf views.

:pac:

Bye bye ranter.

Tony EH

Tony EH wrote: »

:pac:

Bye bye ranter.

Pubs and betting offices are closed, where you off to?

CrankyHaus

Macytoby wrote: »

I’m a millennial, as is herself. We’ve saved 30k to put towards an apartment. Most people our age spend much more extravagantly than we do.

If you spend 100 quid on a night out, twice a month, that’s 200 a month that could go towards savings. Or 4000 per year. 10 years you’d have 40k. It’s not that difficult. I think many people my age who grew up during boom times, are used to having their cake and eating it.

I find it tiresome listening to my generation bitch and moan about how hard we have it, when in fact Ireland’s population has never had it easier. If you can’t afford to buy, up skill and find a new job.

Yeah I'm a bit ahead of you on the same trajectory. That doesn't mean I have no empathy for the many less fortunate.

Making the most of your circumstances does not mean you have to ignore the reality that those circumstances are unjust.

It is a fact that buying a home has become more and more difficult for working people over the last few decades; largely as a result of policies adopted by governments elected by older generations.

Where does this lead in the long run? It's not sustainable to price people off the property ladder while simultaneously running down public housing and pushing people into a taxpayer-subsidised private rental sector.

Claw Hammer

cgcsb wrote: »

He's an oul lad thinking about when he was young. objectively things were poxy then. Have you ever seen photos? Dereliction accounted for 75% of Dublin easily. The 80s was Dublin's low point in it's 1000 year history. It was certainly not easier to make money (It was easier for scam artists to get away with things because people were more naive, cctv hardly existed and forensics didn't really exist in this country). Identity theft, welfare fraud and tax dodging was a piece of cake for anyone who had a mind to do so.

EVERYTHING was painfully expensive, travel was out of the reach of the working to middle class, food was even expensive. Alcohol, petrol and cigarets were cheap. Heroine had hit the streets and decimated the place. The music was... well just look at bono singing 'storys for boys' on realing in the years to give you an idea of the level we're talking.

So yeah if you were scamming taxi man who liked fags, crap music and booze

In the mid 80s, 83-87 rent was very cheap. Drink wasn't too bad until price control was ended by Dessie O Malley. motoring was very expensive in the 80's cars didn't last long and insurance was really expensive.

Stovepipe

Motoring is more expensive now by a long shot. No toll roads, less import taxes, no NOX tax, no NCT,no expensive parts on cars that cost the earth to get replaced. We serviced our own cars. Albeit, cars were rusty boxes of **** but it was considerably cheaper and easier to get to buy and keep a car and get licensed.

the_syco

Macytoby wrote: »

A taxi driver over the weekend said that it was.

Because the **** could charge what he wanted, and could have sold his taxi plate for IRE£200,000 when he retired.