iOS 14

Leftwaffe

Will iPadOS 14 also be out tomorrow?

FourFourRED

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

Will iPadOS 14 also be out tomorrow?

Yes along with tvOS and watchOS.

macOS Big Sur to follow in October, probably.

DubDJ

FourFourFM wrote: »

Yes along with tvOS and watchOS.

macOS Big Sur to follow in October, probably.

Yeah, Apple seems to be splitting macOS from the release of iOS the last few years. It usually follows a few weeks later. Most likely in October, I’d reckon the next event will focus on the iPhone and new Apple Silicon MacBooks. A perfect time to release Big Sur.

FourFourRED

DubDJ wrote: »

Yeah, Apple seems to be splitting macOS from the release of iOS the last few years. It usually follows a few weeks later. Most likely in October, I’d reckon the next event will focus on the iPhone and new Apple Silicon MacBooks. A perfect time to release Big Sur.

Which is a great thing. I worked in support for Apple from iOS 8 up until this summer and some of those releases were an absolute nightmare, especially when they all came at once. The introduction of public beta testing and splitting the releases made my life a lot easier.

Leftwaffe

FourFourFM wrote: »

Yes along with tvOS and watchOS.

macOS Big Sur to follow in October, probably.

Great thanks

Cheers all.

drogon.

For those that have been running iOS14 and iPadOS 14, do you think it is stable enough to load on to the main phone or iPad tomorrow ?

shanec1928

drogon. wrote: »

For those that have been running iOS14 and iPadOS 14, do you think it is stable enough to load on to the main phone or iPad tomorrow ?

yes generally the GM is the final build nothings going to change between now and tomorrow.

drogon.

shanec1928 wrote: »

yes generally the GM is the final build nothings going to change between now and tomorrow.

Yep. But just wanted to know if it has been stable so far. Typically GM is released and then it goes public a week later. They have had issues with GM in the past if I recall and had to be released.

shanec1928

drogon. wrote: »

Yep. But just wanted to know if it has been stable so far. Typically GM is released and then it goes public a week later. They have had issues with GM in the past if I recall and had to be released.

Been stable for the last 3 or so versions at least.

Itssoeasy

Aren’t the public releases around the evening time our time ?

Creamy Goodness

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Aren’t the public releases around the evening time our time ?

usually 6pm our time.

Itssoeasy

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

usually 6pm our time.

Cheers. I knew it was around that time but wasn’t sure. I think I’ll wait for a while after 6pm because I’d say people will be all trying to install it at the same time.

turfthrower

I was on the public beta and checked for an update this morning - it said it was ready to go so I installed it and then deleted the public beta profile.

Running perfectly on iOS14 now on my iPhone

Leftwaffe

Still nothing in iPad yet, probably this evening.

murpho999

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

Still nothing in iPad yet, probably this evening.

It's usually around 6pm. So all of US is awake then so servers get battered.

Don't understand why they don't do it earlier.

IamMetaldave

murpho999 wrote: »

It's usually around 6pm. So all of US is awake then so servers get battered.

Don't understand why they don't do it earlier.

Have often thought that Murph. Balance the load over the time zones. Makes far more sense.

Gregor Samsa

IamMetaldave wrote: »

Have often thought that Murph. Balance the load over the time zones. Makes far more sense.

Apple don't just serve everything direct from US servers. Their own servers are involved, but they have a complex Meta Delivery Network (CDN) that utilises 3 commercial CDN companies combined (Akamai, Limelight and Level3) with servers in North America, Europe and the Far East serving to local customers.

Here's an analysis of it from 2018:

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1810.02978.pdf

Apple own a chunk of Akamai, and they used to be the main CDN for them, but they diversified as downloads became more important. Apple do have their own data centres in the US, and I think at least one in China (like the one that was going to be built in Athenry, but was scrapped), but they'd still have to rely on a CDN (or CDNs) to support the global bandwidth they require.

So the US being awake shouldn't impact us in Europe getting our updates - it's Europeans being awake that affects us.

DubDJ

I always imagined it was to ensure all the main stakeholders would be awake and in the office in case of any issues. Eg corrupted iOS downloads causing user devices to be bricked. Having the decision makers awake and alert is probably the reason they don’t push out major updates like this overnight US time.

IamMetaldave

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Apple don't just serve everything direct from US servers. Their own servers are involved, but they have a complex Meta Delivery Network (CDN) that utilises 3 commercial CDN companies combined (Akamai, Limelight and Level3) with servers in North America, Europe and the Far East serving to local customers.

Here's an analysis of it from 2018:

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1810.02978.pdf

Apple own a chunk of Akamai, and they used to be the main CDN for them, but they diversified as downloads became more important. Apple do have their own data centres in the US, and I think at least one in China (like the one that was going to be built in Athenry, but was scrapped), but they'd still have to rely on a CDN (or CDNs) to support the global bandwidth they require.

So the US being awake shouldn't impact us in Europe getting our updates - it's Europeans being awake that affects us.

I understand how all the works, but no matter what way you look at it. It’s still millions of devices going for updates at the same time. If they had a 10am launch in each region, APAC /EMEA / US Domestic it would still spread it out. But I take your point also.

DubDJ makes a solid point above too. You’d imagine iOS has developers throughout the world though at this stage.

murpho999

DubDJ wrote: »

I always imagined it was to ensure all the main stakeholders would be awake and in the office in case of any issues. Eg corrupted iOS downloads causing user devices to be bricked. Having the decision makers awake and alert is probably the reason they don’t push out major updates like this overnight US time.

But isn't that what beta programmes are for. They product is tried and tested before it goes out.

They know it's not going to brick phones.

Also they're a global company so would have key people all over the world empowered to make decisions.

Gregor Samsa

murpho999 wrote: »

But isn't that what beta programmes are for. They product is tried and tested before it goes out.

They know it's not going to brick phones.

Also they're a global company so would have key people all over the world empowered to make decisions.

I work for a global company that does regular software deployments. Despite the fact that we have many responsible people worldwide, we have a single Release Manager in charge of a given deployment. Releases never happen during the night (relative to the Release Manager and the support team), and they never happen on weekends, public holiday, or Fridays. Despite all the testing, we never assume that a deploy can't go catastrophically wrong, and always have a rollback plan, which is the sole responsibility of the Release Manager to enact. Now, we're not Apple or anything near it, and maybe they do or could do it differently, but that's my experience.

FourFourRED

murpho999 wrote: »

But isn't that what beta programmes are for. They product is tried and tested before it goes out.

They know it's not going to brick phones.

Also they're a global company so would have key people all over the world empowered to make decisions.

It’s happened before on launch days unfortunately. iOS 9 was an absolute disaster they day it released. “Slide to upgrade”

Thankfully all of the public beta testing in additional to developer and internal testing, has helped make releases go a lot smoother.

drogon.

Still remember the time this happened
https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/5/18065264/apple-watchos-5-1-update-brick

No matter how much testing there is always a possibility of something going wrong. In this case Apple had to replace all the bricked Apple watches.

Leftwaffe

Only the 15 mins to wait.

https://www.macrumors.com/2020/09/16/when-download-ios-14-ipados-14-time-zones/

DubDJ

Basically what everyone else just said. Despite lengthly beta cycles sometimes bugs still pop up. Or in the case of previous updates the actual rollout or infrastructure was the issue. There are so many things that can go wrong. Even though Apple is an international company, the HQ with the senior exec team is still in Apple Park, US.

og2k7

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

Only the 15 mins to wait.

https://www.macrumors.com/2020/09/16/when-download-ios-14-ipados-14-time-zones/

Still don't see it. Normally i jump into betas right away but with the lockdown/wfh i didn't want to risk it

Really curious how the widgets will work

DubDJ

the 6pm time has passed, looks like it's slightly delayed this time round. Or maybe it's still propagating through their server network. They are usually pretty precise with the 6pm time though.

FourFourRED

Tim forget to press send

Pete123456

FourFourFM wrote: »

Tim forget to press send

On his Maaaaaac