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Sean Russell statue defaced overnight

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    #272
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Seriously!

    They wiped out a third of the population of Tibet through murder, prison camps and artificial famine.

    Estimates of deaths during Great Leap Forward of 1959 - 1961 range up to 50 million!

    Yeah but apart from mass murder in Tibet, the annihilation of their culture and 50 to 80mn dead in China itself, the totalitarian control of everyone for decades that made Nazi Germany seem like a hippie commune, what did Mao or the CPC do that was so wrong?


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    #273
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    blanch152 wrote: »
    That actually paints him in a far worse light. If he grew up with living memory accounts of the Famine and its effects on Irish people, his collaboration with the Nazis who did an awful worse than that to millions and millions of innocent people is even more despicable.

    You have to have been Worker's party.


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    #274
    TomTomTim
    Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    gibsmedat wrote: »
    Lads get with the program will yous.

    Left wing mass murderers = good guys

    Right wing mass murderers = vile nasty facsist racists etc etc....

    There's nothing dramatic about a post like this when you consider that our national postal service seen no issue with making Che Guevara stamps. No chance in hell would you see the same happening for a similar right wing figure.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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    #275
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Seriously!

    They wiped out a third of the population of Tibet through murder, prison camps and artificial famine.

    Estimates of deaths during Great Leap Forward of 1959 - 1961 range up to 50 million!

    Total rubbish about Tibet. And as for the Great Leap Forward I haven't heard anyone claim that the deaths were deliberate.


    But if true you must regard Sean Russell as a hero.

    Even the Tibetan theocracy in exile asserts 'cultural genocide' not genocide.


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    #276
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    TomTomTim wrote: »
    There's nothing dramatic about a post like this when you consider that our national postal service seen no issue with making Che Guevara stamps. No chance in hell would you see the same happening for a similar right wing figure.

    It's Che Guevara LYNCH!


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    #277
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    blanch152 wrote: »
    That actually paints him in a far worse light. If he grew up with living memory accounts of the Famine and its effects on Irish people, his collaboration with the Nazis who did an awful worse than that to millions and millions of innocent people is even more despicable.

    Worse than the famine ? How?


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    #278
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Seriously!

    They wiped out a third of the population of Tibet through murder, prison camps and artificial famine.

    Estimates of deaths during Great Leap Forward of 1959 - 1961 range up to 50 million![/QUOTE]

    Total rubbish about Tibet. And as for the Great Leap Forward I haven't heard anyone claim that the deaths were deliberate.

    The deaths were not deliberate, they were just the consequence of the food being taken and sold/given away for political leverage.

    Do you think the Holocaust was deliberate or do you have a highly nuanced position on that as well?

    **** happens I guess isn't that right?


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    #279
    [Deleted User]
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    who?


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    #280
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Danzy wrote: »
    marieholmfan wrote: »

    The deaths were not deliberate, they were just the consequence of the food being taken and sold/given away for political leverage.

    Do you think the Holocaust was deliberate or do you gave a highly nuanced position on that as well?

    **** happens I guess isn't that right?

    The holocaust was extremely deliberate.
    What's your position on the holocaust.


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    #281
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    Danzy wrote: »

    The holocaust was extremely deliberate.
    What's your position on the holocaust.

    A horrendous crime, its clinical efficiency making it worse than previous or equivalent acts.

    Hitler's regime may not have killed a portion of Mao but is no less evil for it


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    #282
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The average Chinese person in the 50s had a calorie intake equivalent to Belsen prisoners.


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    #283
    Nermal
    Registered Users Posts: 2,660 ✭✭✭Nermal


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    And as for the Great Leap Forward I haven't heard anyone claim that the deaths were deliberate.

    Funny stuff. Reminds me of the bit in the Simpsons where pirates are about to drop Homer into the sea, while saying 'and now we will cut you loose. For liability purposes it is the ocean that will kill you, not us'.


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    #284
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Nermal wrote: »
    Funny stuff. Reminds me of the bit in the Simpsons where pirates are about to drop Homer into the sea, while saying 'and now we will cut you loose. For liability purposes it is the ocean that will kill you, not us'.

    It's a disgusting view but you have to laugh at the brazen flippancy of it.


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    #285
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    These people exist. Chairman Mao "on balance did more good than harm" - Diane Abbott


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    #286
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    These people exist. Chairman Mao "on balance did more good than harm" - Diane Abbott

    The thought of that collection of psychotic fanatics having won is enough to still disturb the sleep.


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    #287
    Bonniedog
    Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    Total rubbish about Tibet. And as for the Great Leap Forward I haven't heard anyone claim that the deaths were deliberate.


    But if true you must regard Sean Russell as a hero.

    Even the Tibetan theocracy in exile asserts 'cultural genocide' not genocide.


    the "Tibetan theocracy"!!

    Did you just get teleported from 1966?

    Of estimated population of 1,200,000 before the PLA invasion, some estimate that up to half died as a consequence.

    I was basing my figure on 400,000 deaths.

    Chinese destroyed 6,000 Buddhist monastries and are still in process of eradicating vestiges of Tibetan culture. The cultural genocide does not exclude the deaths, it simply makes point that motivation of the genocide was to destroy their culture.

    I suppose people are making up tings about the 1,000,000 Uighyrs in prison camps at this very moment as well.


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    #288
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    Total rubbish about Tibet. And as for the Great Leap Forward I haven't heard anyone claim that the deaths were deliberate.


    But if true you must regard Sean Russell as a hero.

    Even the Tibetan theocracy in exile asserts 'cultural genocide' not genocide.

    Shocking.

    Up there with Holocaust denial.

    I know you do not deny the holocaust but can you reassure us that at least you view it as wrong.


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    #289
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    Total rubbish about Tibet. And as for the Great Leap Forward I haven't heard anyone claim that the deaths were deliberate.


    But if true you must regard Sean Russell as a hero.

    Even the Tibetan theocracy in exile asserts 'cultural genocide' not genocide.

    Shocking.

    Up there with Holocaust denial.

    I know you do not deny the holocaust but can you reassure us that at least you view it as wrong.


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    #290
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    I suppose people are making up tings about the 1,000,000 Uighyrs in prison camps at this very moment as well.

    Just following orders etc etc.


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    #291
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Danzy wrote: »
    Shocking.

    Up there with Holocaust denial.

    I know you do not deny the holocaust but can you reassure us that at least you view it as wrong.

    Of course I accept that the holocaust was a profound and almost unimaginable crime and it is a crime for which the entire adult German population of that time was responsible.

    Can we agree on that?


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    #292
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    Of course I accept that the holocaust was a profound and almost unimaginable crime and it is a crime for which the entire adult German population of that time was responsible.

    Can we agree on that?

    The Holocaust was one of history's greatest crimes and tragedies.
    Are you still of the position that Mao Zedong wasn't responsible for the 10's of millions who died under his rule and the "Great Leap" ?


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    #293
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    With Statues Gone, Pigeons Forced To Poop On Rioters :p

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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    #294
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    Of course I accept that the holocaust was a profound and almost unimaginable crime and it is a crime for which the entire adult German population of that time was responsible.

    Can we agree on that?

    It was unimaginable, awful to think it no sooner ended than Mao set about killing multiples of it and reaching the same depravity.


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    #295
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Danzy wrote: »
    It was unimaginable, awful to think it no sooner ended than Mao set about killing multiples of it and reaching the same depravity.

    So you don't agree that it was a crime ? Gotcha. You think it was unimaginable but not a crime. I disagree.


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    #296
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    So you don't agree that it was a crime ? Gotcha. You think it was unimaginable but not a crime. I disagree.

    Are you still of the position that Mao Zedong wasn't responsible for the 10's of millions who died under his rule and the "Great Leap" ?


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    #297
    Bonniedog
    Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    Of course I accept that the holocaust was a profound and almost unimaginable crime and it is a crime for which the entire adult German population of that time was responsible.

    Can we agree on that?


    Eh, no it is not. Most Nazis got in a free election was 37.5% in July 1932. Most Germans never voted for him.

    Apart from that he had to lock up and murder large numbers of those who opposed him including Catholic priests (20% sent to camps), communists, members of Catholic Centre party, socialists etc, etc.

    Totalitarian states give the impression that they have mass support by using terror. Your hero Mao did the same as did Stalin and as do the reds in Pyongyang and Havana today.


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    #298
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    So you don't agree that it was a crime ? Gotcha. You think it was unimaginable but not a crime. I disagree.

    Lol.

    It certainly was a crime.

    One can't really argue who was worse, Hitler,Mao or Stalin.

    All are as bad as each other and would have done worse than each other if they could.


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    #299
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Danzy wrote: »
    Lol.

    It certainly was a crime.

    One can't really argue who was worse, Hitler,Mao or Stalin.

    All are as bad as each other and would have done worse than each other if they could.

    I'm surprised that you find it amusing; I suppose the mask slipped.


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    #300
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    I'm surprised that you find it amusing; I suppose the mask slipped.

    You have no moral grounds to stand on you're pretty much denying Mao Zedong's genocide, how is that any different from holocaust denial ?
    marieholmfan wrote: »
    Total rubbish about Tibet. And as for the Great Leap Forward I haven't heard anyone claim that the deaths were deliberate.


    But if true you must regard Sean Russell as a hero.

    Even the Tibetan theocracy in exile asserts 'cultural genocide' not genocide.


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    #301
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    You have no moral grounds to stand on you're pretty much denying Mao Zedong's genocide, how is that any different from holocaust denial ?

    So are you asserting that holocaust denial is the mainstream view? Because there no , none , zero academic historians who claim that Mao Zedong is repsonsible for genocide.


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