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Sean Russell statue defaced overnight

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    #122
    An Ri rua
    Registered Users Posts: 4,509 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Honest question - what do you think the Nazis would have done once the British were defeated in Ireland?

    Taken their place and been killed in similar numbers going forward?


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    #123
    [Deleted User]
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    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Of course you wouldn’t go that far.

    Erwin Lahousen,one of witness at neuemberg didnt regard him as a nazi sympathiser,thats enough for me anyway


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    #124
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,275 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Sorry now but he wasn’t a Nazi - he was an Irish Republican looking to rid Ireland of the Brits

    I crossed out Germans and correctly replaced it with Nazis, who were the real enemy....


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    #125
    Rodney Bathgate
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    An Ri rua wrote: »
    ? Half the country were. Maybe more. We'd just been practically sanctioned and blackmailed out of existence. For refusing to pay back annuities. A bit like the Haitian people who, unfortunately for them, still have the Americans and the French sucking their lifeblood.
    A country that loaned us weaponry to kill our own, then left us with those particular debts so that we could not meet our obligations at the Boundary Commission and so we lost our chance at a 29 county Free State.

    You're so clever, in your safe ivory tower with a full belly and no threat of war.

    So clever, yeah of course. Jog on, if you are happy to support collaboration with Hitler, that’s your problem. I would have joined the Allied armed forces and fought on the correct side like many Irish did. But go ahead and try to justify SF attempts at making a pact with the devil.


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    #126
    kildare lad
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    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Just a Nazi sympathiser.

    Fine Gael were facists back in the day , should we ban the party now . Eamon devalera offered condolences to Germany when Hitler died , should he be erased from the history books too.


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    #127
    Rodney Bathgate
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    kildare lad wrote: »
    Fine Gael were facists back in the day , should we ban the party now . Eamon devalera offered condolences to Germany when Hitler died , should he be erased from the history books too.

    Nice attempt at whataboutery.


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    #128
    Rodney Bathgate
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Erwin Lahousen,one of witness at neuemberg didnt regard him as a nazi sympathiser,thats enough for me anyway

    Is this another time traveler like your time travelling pope?


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    #129
    An Ri rua
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    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Fixed that for you ^

    And thankfully Britain and her Allies defeated the Nazis. Many Irish men joined the Allied effort too.

    And many of those Irishmen fought with Nazi sympathisers in Spain against leftwingers supported by Irish and UK Republicans. What's the point of smearing men of good intent? All men going into battle have good intent. Perhaps misguided afterwards, depending on who writes the history.
    For me, the idea of the Blue shirts is repulsive. Ditto for Nazis. But as someone has clearly stated here, my enemy's enemy is my friend.

    Look at the Kurds, and how they have been betrayed by USA perhaps 4 times, overtly, since the mid 20th century. Could anyone blame them if they sought out another Devil to support their cause?

    Gentlemen, get up that garden and obre les ojos please.


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    #130
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,275 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Amazing how much Nazi/IRA sympathy there is on this thread, truly amazing in this day & age, specially with all the information that's available to us today. Maybe it's just the bravado of youth & the thrill of being controversial.

    The Nazis and their collaborators were not heroes, and there should not be a statue to Sean Russell.


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    #131
    Rodney Bathgate
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Hmmm interesting question - installed a Berlin approved 32 county state run by the IRA

    Fast forward 10 years or so, all island republic under Irish control

    Are you that naive? Seriously?


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    #132
    kildare lad
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    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Nice attempt at whataboutery.

    Will you be holding protests at any Volkswagen garages as they actively supplied the Nazis what about Hugo boss who made and designed Nazi uniforms


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    #133
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    kildare lad wrote: »
    Will you be holding protests at any Volkswagen garages as they actively supplied the Nazis what about Hugo boss who made and designed Nazi uniforms

    I don’t drive a Volkswagen, I have never owned a Volkswagen.

    I don’t own any Hugo Boss clothes, I have never owned any Hugo Boss clothing.

    Silly whataboutery.


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    #134
    An Ri rua
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    Market Factor50 wrote: »
    You do realise that most people weren't aware of the atrocities taking place within National Socialist Germany.

    Unfortunately poor Rodney doesn't realise much about 1930s Ireland from his ivory tower. He'd have joined the Allies, after he got off Netflix and finished his latte...


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    #135
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    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Is this another time traveler like your time travelling pope?

    God love you,google evades you
    Erwin Lahousen, the first and most important witness for the prosecution at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials in 1945. Lahousen had been head of the second bureau of the German Intelligence Service from 1939 to 1943. An Austrian clerico-fascist by conviction, Lahousen loathed Nazism and had been the key figure in an aborted pre-war plot to assassinate Hitler. By common consent, it was Lahousen's evidence at Nuremberg that ensured that Hitler's foreign minister Ribbentrop would be sentenced to death.



    After what Lahousen described as "one of Russell's fiery denunciations of the Nazi attempts to indoctrinate him", the IRA leader further proclaimed: "I am not a Nazi. I'm not even pro-German. I am an Irishman fighting for the independence of Ireland. The British have been our enemies for hundreds of years. They are the enemies of Germany today. If it suits Germany to give us help to achieve independence I am willing to accept it, but no more, and there must be no strings to the help."


    Good enough for me anyway


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    #136
    An Ri rua
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    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Are you that native? Seriously?

    Fixed that for you.


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    #137
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    I wouldn't necessarily say it's a man of good intent where he knowingly conspired with the Nazis who had engaged in plenty of invasions at that stage. Their antisemitism etc was also no secret at that stage. So he sided with a totalitarian force for an independent Ireland. Not an Irish man that I could ever be proud of.


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    #138
    Rodney Bathgate
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    An Ri rua wrote: »
    Unfortunately poor Rodney doesn't realise much about 1930s Ireland from his ivory tower. He'd have joined the Allies, after he got off Netflix and finished his latte...

    Yeah, and you would have welcomed your Nazi overlords. You probably would have been kowtowing to them up until you were being rounded up and lead to a work camp. No doubt you would have been proud to contribute to the German war effort like a naive pawn.

    I don’t have a Netflix subscription and I don’t drink coffee, so 0/10 for accuracy there pal.


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    #139
    kildare lad
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    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Amazing how much Nazi/IRA sympathy there is on this thread, truly amazing in this day & age, specially with all the information that's available to us today. Maybe it's just the bravado of youth & the thrill of being controversial.

    The Nazis and their collaborators were not heroes, and there should not be a statue to Sean Russell.

    Do you realise he died in 1940 a year after the war started , most people didn't realise until the allies reached aushwitz and other concentration camps what the Nazis were a doing to the jews . It's not like today we're you've information at the click of your fingers .


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    #140
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    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Yeah, and you would have welcomed your Nazi overlords. You probably would have been kowtowing to them up until you were being rounded up and lead to a work camp. No doubt you would have been proud to contribute to the German war effort like a naive pawn.

    I don’t have a Netflix subscription and I don’t drink coffee, so 0/10 for accuracy there pal.

    No netflix,no coffee and dont allow yourself drive a VW......thats fairly impressive SJWing mate


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    #141
    kildare lad
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I wouldn't necessarily say it's a man of good intent where he knowingly conspired with the Nazis who had engaged in plenty of invasions at that stage. Their antisemitism etc was also no secret at that stage. So he sided with a totalitarian force for an independent Ireland. Not an Irish man that I could ever be proud of.

    Many Irish people fought for England during ww2 , how many atrocities did Britain commit all over the world including here creating their empire


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    #142
    Junkyard Tom
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    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Amazing how much Nazi/IRA sympathy there is on this thread, truly amazing in this day & age

    There is no Nazi sympathy, that's in your mind. Violent Unionist/British sympathies are very real though despite the misery they've inflicted on the Irish population down through the generations.


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    #143
    Rodney Bathgate
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    kildare lad wrote: »
    Do you realise he died in 1940 a year after the war started , most people didn't realise until the allies reached aushwitz and other concentration camps what the Nazis were a doing to the jews . It's not like today we're you've information at the click of your fingers .

    A blatant attempt to rewrite history. The world knew plenty by 1940. You would have us believe that Kristallnacht never happened or that Mein Kampt was never published, or Poland invaded by 1940.


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    #144
    Rodney Bathgate
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    No netflix,no coffee and dont allow yourself drive a VW......thats fairly impressive SJWing mate

    How is not drinking coffee or having Netflix being a SJW? Are you for real?


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    #145
    Rodney Bathgate
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    An Ri rua wrote: »
    Fixed that for you.

    Hilarious. Well done.


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    #146
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    kildare lad wrote: »
    Many Irish people fought for England during ww2 , how many atrocities did Britain they commit all over the world including here creating their empire

    And this is entirely irrelevant since the Germans were the expansionist force. There were refugees fleeing Germany and other locations at the stage where Russell made his trip over. There wasn't knowledge of death camps but there was a level of understanding that atrocities were being committed by the nazis, just not the extent of it. So no, there was nothing remotely noble about his goal.

    I don't think anyone is questioning if Irish people fought in the British army during World War 2.


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    #147
    kildare lad
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    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    A blatant attempt to rewrite history. The world knew plenty by 1940. You would have us believe that Kristallnacht never happened or that Mein Kampt was never published, or Poland invaded by 1940.

    So what , Europes been constantly at war with each other for centuries , many of the guns used in the 1916 rising were got from Germany aswell. The enemy of my enemy is my friend


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    #148
    Rodney Bathgate
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    kildare lad wrote: »
    So what , Europes been constantly at war with each other for centuries , many of the guns used in the 1916 rising were got from Germany aswell. The enemy of my enemy is my friend

    So what? Was kristallnacht part of a war? Are you that ignorant of history?


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    #149
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,275 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    kildare lad wrote: »
    Do you realise he died in 1940 a year after the war started , most people didn't realise until the allies reached aushwitz and other concentration camps what the Nazis were a doing to the jews . It's not like today we're you've information at the click of your fingers .

    Yes, I realise that, but what I was refering to was the Pro Nazi sentiment on here now, today. A pro Nazi stance, even with all the info we have at hand!


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    #150
    James Brown
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    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Just a Nazi sympathiser.

    No you're confused. By all accounts Russell would deal with them to further the Irish cause.
    The blueshirts admired them and some in FG today admire the blueshirts, (Councilor O'Leary) and some in FG just didn't like Jews, (Oliver J. Flanagan) is all.


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    #151
    Danzy
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    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    There is no Nazi sympathy, that's in your mind. Violent Unionist/British sympathies are very real though despite the misery they've inflicted on the Irish population down through the generations.

    He can claim offence and deep hurt and start tearing down statues.

    Get a bunch of students from Trinners who aren't at BLM protests and off you go.

    The circus is in full swing.


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