Europol: Ireland hit by surge of ‘right-wing extremism’

Better Than Christ

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

This question depends on the definitions I suppose.

I mean, I was pretty shocked the other day to see the white lives matter slogan described as far right??

To me, white lives matter, black too, in fact all lives matter.

It's because 'White Lives Matter' is used by some people on the far right for the sole purpose of diminishing or belittling the Black Lives Matter movement. There are some very thick people on the right, who don't understand context. The slogan 'Black Lives Matter' does not imply that white lives don't. It's not a zero-sum game. There has never been any whiff of a suggestion that white lives don't matter.

Rather than wanting to see yourself as the 'real' victim of oppression, you should be grateful that you don't need such campaigns in order to feel safe.

Harry Palmr

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Eh sorry now but there are huge amounts of white ppl shot and killed by the police in America. This is documented. To me all lives matter - America is very violent. They need to have a review of their gun laws

statista.com shows that in 2020 172 whites have been shot dead by cops, while 88 blacks have been.

According to census 2017 black population is approx 13% of USA white population approx 73%

And yes gun laws are mad but that's a separate discussion as is White Lives Matter debate.

Beechwoodspark

Harry Palmr wrote: »

statista.com shows that in 2020 172 whites have been shot dead by cops, while 88 blacks have been.

According to census 2017 black population is approx 13% of USA white population approx 73%

And yes gun laws are mad but that's a separate discussion.

I fully agree. I just think we should acknowledge all lives matter without ppl jumping out of the bushes saying it’s far right. Ffs like

BarnardsLoop

But nobody has said "all lives don't matter". Who in the ****ing hell are you supposed to be responding to?

tayto lover

Harry Palmr wrote: »

statista.com shows that in 2020 172 whites have been shot dead by cops, while 88 blacks have been.

According to census 2017 black population is approx 13% of USA white population approx 73%

And yes gun laws are mad but that's a separate discussion as is White Lives Matter debate.

I wonder do the crime statistics match those?

weldoninhio

Harry Palmr wrote: »

statista.com shows that in 2020 172 whites have been shot dead by cops, while 88 blacks have been.

According to census 2017 black population is approx 13% of USA white population approx 73%

And yes gun laws are mad but that's a separate discussion as is White Lives Matter debate.

What are the violent crime rates of both? Police aren’t just taking pot shots off the station roof.


Edit: would also be interesting to see the ethnicities of the police involved in shootings.

Annasopra

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Why is it far right? I see it as treating ppl equally.

Black lives matter
White lives matter
All lives matter

White lives matter is basically white supremacy

BarnardsLoop

See this:

threeball wrote: »

And there is a very definite push to increase immigration in this country with many politicians including Varadkar looking to see our population rise to 7 million over the next decade or so. When this happens you can just delete the Irish as a people. We're already losing our music, our friendliness (not due to immigration, more down to absorbing the cultures of the lands either side of us), but when you add in such a huge volume of people who don't have the same outlook as us then our way of life will be niche. All in the pursuit of continuous economic growth which is a pyramid scheme within itself. If this kind of population increase occurs we'll be no different than England. Living on top of one another in our own little enclaves and nothing bonding the country together.

That's the kind of thing they're talking about. And the fact that it was thanked by multiple people on this site just demonstrates how far it's gone.

That is not ordinary right-wing politics, that's ethnonationalism laid bare. I'm frankly astounded that people think that kind of baseless fearmongering is not only okay but laudable.

Clarence Boddiker

nigeldaniel wrote: »

I do not think Ireland is anywhere near as right-wing as some lefties on here would love to claim it to be.

The progressive left have gone so far off the reservation that anything that would previously be seen as very middle of the road centrist, or even straight up left leaning, is now regarded as far right.
There are ideological positions that a decade or two ago were standard Socialist Left positions, such as a resistance to mass immigration, these positions are now seen as far right or Fascist. So you have lifelong socialists who are today regarded by the current crop as far right.

Part of this is projection, to distract from the fact that often its the progressives themselves that hold the extremist views.

Clarence Boddiker

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

See this:



That's the kind of thing they're talking about. And the fact that it was thanked by multiple people on this site just demonstrates how far it's gone.

That is not ordinary right-wing politics, that's ethnonationalism laid bare. I'm frankly astounded that people think that kind of baseless fearmongering is not only okay but laudable.

I'm sure you feel the same way about the Palestinians yes? Terrible people, straight up ethnonationalists right?

BarnardsLoop

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

The progressive left have gone so far off the reservation that anything that would previously be seen as very middle of the road centrist, or even straight up left leaning, is now regarded as far right.

Drink!

These days, if you say you're English Irish, you get arrested and thrown in jail!

There are ideological positions that a decade or two ago were standard Socialist Left positions, such as a resistance to mass immigration, these positions are now seen as far right or Fascist. So you have lifelong socialists who are today regarded by the current crop as far right.

Part of this is projection, to distract from the fact that often its the progressives themselves that hold the extremist views.

"The left are the real fascists!" is more than a bit old hat now, petal, please find some new material. Starting to worry I'll die of boredom...

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

I'm sure you feel the same way about the Palestinians yes? Terrible people, straight up ethnonationalists right?

Did that sound clever in your head? In what way is Ireland comparable to Palestinians' homes being bulldozed, civilians murdered, and land annexed?

Please, take your time, I'll wait.

Clarence Boddiker

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

"The left are the real fascists!" is more than a bit old hat now, petal, please find some new material. Starting to worry I'll die of boredom...

Where did I say that?

Mr. Karate

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

Boy, I sure would love to know what the **** BLM has to do about right-wing extremism rising in Ireland! Seems some people here are desperate to get this thread off its original topic.

Didn't you see them all wearing Donald Trump's signature Red "Make America Great Again." hats on during those rallies? They are clearly colonizing Ireland for the US.

Clarence Boddiker

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

I'm sure you feel the same way about the Palestinians yes? Terrible people, straight up ethnonationalists right?

You're referring to an active conflict that is far more complex than what you've simplified it to. Meanwhile the other poster seems concerned Irish people are gonna be wiped out by immigration. I imagine he's the sort who thinks only white people can be Irish. And there are plenty of posters who hold that rather dense view.

BarnardsLoop

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

Where did I say that?

I'm sorry but all questions must be submitted in interpretive dance.

SnakePlissken

Harry Palmr wrote: »

White lives do matter but not many white people are being killed by white cops while unarmed and essentially helpless. Which you know. So don't play the fool.

You might want to look up the statistics there chief, you're talking absolute bollix.

Clarence Boddiker

Deleted User wrote: »

You're referring to an active conflict that is far more complex than what you've simplified it to. Meanwhile the other poster seems concerned Irish people are gonna be wiped out by immigration. I imagine he's the sort who thinks only white people can be Irish. And there are plenty of posters who hold that rather dense view.

It looks like the Irish people possibly will be wiped out by immigration, what makes you an extremist is rather than accept that its perfectly natural for someone to worry about their people being erased through immigration, you instead slander them as a racist or worse. You frame a natural reaction as an extremist position. But thankfully this type of bullying and manipulation is having less and less of an effect on people.

And yes, the Palestinians want a Palestinian state for the Palestinian people, in other words Ethnonationalists

SnakePlissken

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Why is it far right? I see it as treating ppl equally.

Black lives matter
White lives matter
All lives matter

It's not far right don't doubt yourself, there's just a small but mouthy faction attempting to claim it as such.

1800_Ladladlad

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

White lives matter is basically white supremacy

Black lives matter is all about supremacy

BarnardsLoop

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

It looks like the Irish people possibly will be wiped out by immigration

No it doesn't, stop telling such patently obvious lies.

And before you start complaining: present some evidence for your ludicrous claim. Evidence, not (far-right) blogs and random YouTube videos.

Again, this is exactly what Europol are talking about; people online spreading ****e about how we're going to be wiped out by immigrants. It's extremist nonsense.

Better Than Christ

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Black lives matter is all about supremacy

It's not. It's about the fight for equality. And if you can't or won't recognise that inequality, then yes, you absolutely are a racist.

BarnardsLoop

"Save the whales!"

"Yeah but what about all the other mammals?"

That's what the whole thing amounts to; pretending to be an idiot and not understanding obvious context to own the libs. Nobody ever said these goons were particularly bright, after all.

DelaneyIn

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

White lives matter is basically white supremacy

Black lives matter must be black supremacy so.

Their website literally states their aims as abolition of the police, capitalism and the nuclear family. Whether you agree or not, trying to pretend it's just a movement for equality is delusional.

weldoninhio

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

"Save the whales!"

"Yeah but what about all the other mammals?"

That's what the whole thing amounts to; pretending to be an idiot and not understanding obvious context to own the libs. Nobody ever said these goons were particularly bright, after all.

#BLMwhencelebsgetinvolved

tayto lover

Deleted User wrote: »

You're referring to an active conflict that is far more complex than what you've simplified it to. Meanwhile the other poster seems concerned Irish people are gonna be wiped out by immigration. I imagine he's the sort who thinks only white people can be Irish. And there are plenty of posters who hold that rather dense view.

Give it time because in years to come you will not be able to safely walk the streets you played in when a child. Look at parts of London, Paris etc.
It’s dense to think this won’t happen when the evidence from other places is there in front of you. It’s happening already in N. Dublin.

Chris_Heilong

DelaneyIn wrote: »

Black lives matter must be black supremacy so.

Their website literally states their aims as abolition of the police, capitalism and the nuclear family. Whether you agree or not, trying to pretend it's just a movement for equality is delusional.

They are and that is why I dont support them, They have a catchy name as many of these groups do but members have been heard saying they would like segregation implemented again and other such nonsense, Black lives do matter but the activist group are just angry black people.

In fairness to the OP the thread has gone way off topic.

BarnardsLoop

tayto lover wrote: »

Give it time because in years to come you will not be able to safely walk the streets you played in when a child. Look at parts of London, Paris etc.
It’s dense to think this won’t happen when the evidence from other places is there in front of you. It’s happening already in N. Dublin.

Here's another one. Absolutely astonishing that racist bull**** like that is allowed on the site, frankly. What the hell happened here over the years?

Time after time after time they're all over this forum, crying about Dublin and not one of them can provide a single shred of evidence to back their bogus claims up. Though I will say I'm the enjoying the irony of our resident racist scumbags spreading their ****e on a thread about the rise of right-wing extremism. You couldn't ****ing make it up.

ExMachina1000

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

Here's another one. Absolutely astonishing that racist bull**** like that is allowed on the site, frankly. What the hell happened here over the years?

Time after time after time they're all over this forum, crying about Dublin and not one of them can provide a single shred of evidence to back their bogus claims up. Though I will say I'm the enjoying the irony of our resident racist scumbags spreading their ****e on a thread about the rise of right-wing extremism. You couldn't ****ing make it up.

Not too many folk holiday in St Denis, Paris these days. Absolute hell hole with more than double the national crime average.

Guess who lives in St Denis?

tayto lover

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

Here's another one. Absolutely astonishing that racist bull**** like that is allowed on the site, frankly. What the hell happened here over the years?

Time after time after time they're all over this forum, crying about Dublin and not one of them can provide a single shred of evidence to back their bogus claims up. Though I will say I'm the enjoying the irony of our resident racist scumbags spreading their ****e on a thread about the rise of right-wing extremism. You couldn't ****ing make it up.

Apart from your usual bluster have you anything else to say?
Are there parts of London and Paris dangerous?
Have you ever travelled on the Balbriggan train from Dublin?

1800_Ladladlad

Better Than Christ wrote: »

It's not. It's about the fight for equality. And if you can't or won't recognise that inequality, then yes, you absolutely are a racist.

A perfect example of how BLM and their sycophants exercise unscrupulous control of thought through the use of coercive tactics. It's vile!