Europol: Ireland hit by surge of ‘right-wing extremism’

Mad_maxx

Sean.3516 wrote: »

I do find it hard to believe that Ireland has a burgeoning right wing extremist element lurking in the shadows.

The centre-right consensus was shattered in the last election and it's now fair to say that we are a centre-left country. We're pretty damn liberal.

By the way, even if there was a far right movement in Ireland, I fail to see why that's Europol's business. So the EU's law enforcement agency is monitoring the political opinions in member states now?

ireland has always been a centre left country , being catholic doesnt preclude you from leaning left , we have always loved big government around here

tayto lover

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

Apart from your usual racist bull****, do you have any evidence (this time) to back up your usual racist bull****? Because it seems like the kind of thing that you'd have ample evidence for if it's as common as your racist bull**** claims go.

So you can’t bear to answer the questions. Didn’t think you would. Bluster and nothing else.
Google is your friend though in this case your enemy.
I’ll leave you to it. Keep burying your head in the sand.

Reality used to be said to have a well known liberal bias but is considered far right white supremacist these days.

Nicky88

Illegal immigration is against the law

Overheal

tayto lover wrote: »

Give it time because in years to come you will not be able to safely walk the streets you played in when a child. Look at parts of London, Paris etc.
It’s dense to think this won’t happen when the evidence from other places is there in front of you. It’s happening already in N. Dublin.

Which parts of London and Pais? Have you been?

Sarcozies

Harry Palmr wrote: »

White lives do matter but not many white people are being killed by white cops while unarmed and essentially helpless. Which you know. So don't play the fool.

I don't think you know the numbers. Unarmed police killings are 1% or less.

Police fatal shootings 2019:
White: 25
Black: 14
Hispanic: 11
Other: 5

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

BarnardsLoop

tayto lover wrote: »

So you can’t bear to answer the questions. Didn’t think you would. Bluster and nothing else.
Google is your friend though in this case your enemy.
I’ll leave you to it. Keep burying your head in the sand.

As usual, when pressed for evidence, the racist scurries off rather than providing any. As Sartre said:

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

Isn't it funny how you lot always disappear whenever anyone asks you for evidence to back up your claims? Isn't it funny how you always make claims but then ask other people to prove them?

But you know you can't answer because there is no evidence for the things you say. You know just as well as I do that you're a liar. And instead of having to confront the truth you'll continue to bury your head in far-right lies and propaganda.

Nothing I do or say will compel you to provide even the barest shred of evidence for anything you've said, I know. I may as well be talking to a brick wall.

I only hope other people can see how you've run away as soon as someone questioned your narrative.

Richard Hillman

There is no organised Far-Right in Ireland. The individuals setting future direct provision sites were likely just individuals defending their town from diversity.

The National Party or Gemma O'Doherty would be saying things that would be quite common in regular right wing parties around Europe.

The only far-right in Ireland would be the Jihadis. Who are protected by the Far-Left for some reason :pac:

Carfacemandog

Richard Hillman wrote: »

There is no organised Far-Right in Ireland. The individuals setting future direct provision sites were likely just individuals defending their town from diversity.

The National Party or Gemma O'Doherty would be saying things that would be quite common in regular right wing parties around Europe.

The only far-right in Ireland would be the Jihadis. Who are protected by the Far-Left for some reason :pac:

Burning down direct provision centres out of anti immigration sentiment is far right. You can't both acknowledge its existence and deny its existence in the one post while hoping to maintain credibility.

Richard Hillman

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Burning down direct provision centres out of anti immigration sentiment is far right. You can't both acknowledge its existence and deny its existence in the one post while hoping to maintain credibility.

I said organised. There are individuals however

Better Than Christ

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

A perfect example of how BLM and their sycophants exercise unscrupulous control of thought through the use of coercive tactics. It's vile!

Another perfect example of a racist.

Carfacemandog

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I said organised. There are individuals however

Fair enough, at least we have established that the people who were "just individuals defending their town from diversity" by burning down direct provision centres are indeed far right.

Out of curiosity, what mainland European parties would Gemma odoherty not be out of place in?

Eric Cartman

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Burning down direct provision centres out of anti immigration sentiment is far right. You can't both acknowledge its existence and deny its existence in the one post while hoping to maintain credibility.

burning down a direct provision centre because nobody in the town its in is being listened to by the government is an a political move. I have no doubt the people who did it have right leaning reservations about unchecked migration but burning it down empty is a lot more moderate than a far right response which would be to burn it down full..

Nermal

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

That is not ordinary right-wing politics, that's ethnonationalism laid bare. I'm frankly astounded that people think that kind of baseless fearmongering is not only okay but laudable.

The part in bold is obviously rhetorical exaggeration, and you are yourself engaged in Sartre-style dishonesty by highlighting it alone.

Do you disagree with the rest of the post: do you think our politicians don't want to grow the population through immigration?

If not, do you think growing to 7M in the next decade is too much? Too little? Just right?

Do you think it will have no consequences for our society, and everything will be just as it was? Or worse? Or better?

osarusan

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

Those are the core tenets behind so many of the arguments here; "we're under attack", "we're being invaded", "they want to replace us".

No argument from me that CA has a cohort of people who have some persecution complex and just love the idea that they are beleagured and oppressed and thet whole world is falling apart and that we'll all be Muslim in a generation.

The most pathetic complex of all is the one where if you really think about it, really think about it now, the one who has the toughest time of all is, believe it or not, the straight white male.

This shyte has made CA an ugly place to be, but again, it's just anonymous internet blowhards and their reregs. Some people just need something, anything, to complain about.

Tordelback

Eric Cartman wrote: »

... burning it down empty is a lot more moderate than a far right response which would be to burn it down full..

Even the Brownshirts generally stopped short of that - and boys they did like a good arson attack. Were they not far right enough for your definition, or are we still pretending they were socialists this week?

Harry Palmr

Sarcozies wrote: »

I don't think you know the numbers. Unarmed police killings are 1% or less.

Police fatal shootings 2019:
White: 25
Black: 14
Hispanic: 11
Other: 5

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

We can trade databases (I was listing 2020 numbers for a start) but your quoted stats are actually even more damning re likelihood of being shot dead by cops.

BarnardsLoop

Eric Cartman wrote: »

burning down a direct provision centre because nobody in the town its in is being listened to by the government is an a political move. I have no doubt the people who did it have right leaning reservations about unchecked migration but burning it down empty is a lot more moderate than a far right response which would be to burn it down full..

I think it says a lot about you that you think burning down a hotel because refugees scare you is "moderate". Have you considered that they weren't listened to precisely because they're the kind of lunatics that torch buildings?

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

burning down a direct provision centre because nobody in the town its in is being listened to by the government is an a political move. I have no doubt the people who did it have right leaning reservations about unchecked migration but burning it down empty is a lot more moderate than a far right response which would be to burn it down full..

It's not even clear if it was somebody from the locality that burned it down. Eg Tan Torino and his cohorts tended to arrive in for all the protests. So it's pretty possible and even likely it was somebody with a more criminal background burning them down rather than a standard local.

DelaneyIn

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

Those are the core tenets behind so many of the arguments here; "we're under attack", "we're being invaded", "they want to replace us". And I just don't know how you're meant to argue against that when it's self-righteous and passionate and appeals to the idea that you have an easy enemy to blame for your problems when all you have to rely on is reason which can be hard to get through to these people with and for some people, having to confront that the only ones responsible for their failures are themselves, is something they can't or won't do.

But there are plans to replace us. From the United Nations website;

Replacement migration refers to the international migration that a country would need to prevent population decline and population ageing resulting from low fertility and mortality rates.

United Nations projections indicate that between 1995 and 2050, the population of Japan and virtually all countries of Europe will most likely decline. In a number of cases, including Estonia, Bulgaria and Italy, countries would lose between one quarter and one third of their population. Population ageing will be pervasive, bringing the median age of population to historically unprecedented high levels. For instance, in Italy, the median age will rise from 41 years in 2000 to 53 years in 2050. The potential support ratio -- i.e., the number of persons of working age (15-64 years) per older person -- will often be halved, from 4 or 5 to 2.

https://www.un.org/press/en/2000/20000317.dev2234.doc.html

No conspiracy. It’s there in black and white. The clue is in the name. Now, the question is this. Why would native Europeans wish to be “replaced” in their own native homelands? Why are they called “far right” if they oppose this?

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

I worry because that's not the country I grew up in and I don't want to see it fall to that.

Yet, you wish to change it beyond recognition. Bit of a paradox, that.

Sarcozies

Harry Palmr wrote: »

We can trade databases (I was listing 2020 numbers for a start) but your quoted stats are actually even more damning re likelihood of being shot dead by cops.

Indeed they are. Not only are your chances of being shot to death by police in USA low, considerably more rare (1% of deaths) is it occuring while you are unarmed. With again the biggest predictor of being killed being the characteristic of gender - male (90% of unarmed police killings 2019).

BarnardsLoop

I'll just leave these here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_genocide_conspiracy_theory

There's no point in engaging conspiracy theorists as that only feeds into their need to feel legitimised. Certainly, I'm not educated in how to deprogram people brainwashed by nonsense like that.

Just ask yourself, which is more likely: that there's some grand, international conspiracy at all levels of government of Western nations to replace white people? Or that white nationalists have misinterpreted data and outright made up their own?

LiquidZeb

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

I'll just leave these here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_genocide_conspiracy_theory

There's no point in engaging conspiracy theorists as that only feeds into their need to feel legitimised. Certainly, I'm not educated in how to deprogram people brainwashed by nonsense like that.

Just ask yourself, which is more likely: that there's some grand, international conspiracy at all levels of government of Western nations to replace white people? Or that white nationalists have misinterpreted data and outright made up their own?

Don't worry they'll all die off as things become more diverse. Hope arson attacks will die off too.

DelaneyIn

Is the UN in with the “White Nationalists” on this conspiracy?

LiquidZeb

It's only a matter of time before there's a far right shooting/attack committed in Ireland. And when it does happen i wouldn't be surprised if they were radicalized from posting on Current Affairs. We've seen people justify arson and spread replacement conspiracy theories. It's a dive of a forum.

Eric Cartman

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

I think it says a lot about you that you think burning down a hotel because refugees scare you is "moderate". Have you considered that they weren't listened to precisely because they're the kind of lunatics that torch buildings?

just to gauge how to respond correctly, where on the political spectrum do you see BLM and them burning down buildings and statues ? are they worth ignoring ?

gibsmedat

There are no far right extremists in Ireland. This is just a conspiracy theory.

Eric Cartman

LiquidZeb wrote: »

It's only a matter of time before there's a far right shooting/attack committed in Ireland. And when it does happen i wouldn't be surprised if they were radicalized from posting on Current Affairs. We've seen people justify arson and spread replacement conspiracy theories. It's a dive of a forum.

while I don't think it would happen , that first shooting would still leave the score

left wing attacks >100
islamist attacks allowed by the left >10
right wing attacks : 1

gibsmedat

Whats the body counts in Ireland?

Left wing terrorists = ?

Right wing terrorists = 0

gibsmedat

LiquidZeb wrote: »

It's only a matter of time before there's a far right shooting/attack committed in Ireland. And when it does happen i wouldn't be surprised if they were radicalized from posting on Current Affairs. We've seen people justify arson and spread replacement conspiracy theories. It's a dive of a forum.

You sound like a paranoid conspiracy theorist chap, fash under the bed type shìt.

Go outside, its safe.