The Irish Pub is finished.

Jimmy Garlic

I know a town where only one out of four is planning to reopen, one already has a for sale sign up. Same story all over the country. Tourist traps will be the only places where there won’t be mass casualties. Only 50% planning to reopen on the 29th. That’s a lot of jobs permanently removed from the economy by bat flu hysteria.

Yeah, surely.. pretty sad really..

whisky_galore

Strange that "hysteria" killed something like 1700 people here.

Jimmy Garlic

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I know a town where only one out of four is planning to reopen, one already has a for sale sign up. Same story all over the country. Tourist traps will be the only places where there won’t be mass casualties. Only 50% planning to reopen on the 29th. That’s a lot of jobs permanently removed from the economy by bat flu hysteria.

Bat flu hysteria?

It’s probably just as well in the long run if less pubs resume trading. It could help deter folks killing off more of their brain cells, when they’re apparently at a pretty low count in the first place.

You might want to educate yourself before dismissing COVID-19 so casually in favour of lamenting job losses in pubs. What a tool.

JohnnyFlash

whisky_galore wrote: »

Strange that "hysteria" killed something like 1700 people here.

I’d say Jimmy is also a climate change sceptic, believes 5G infrastructure is some sort of global elitist plot, and thinks Gemma O’Doherty makes some valid points.

frag420

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I’d say Jimmy is also a climate change sceptic, believes 5G infrastructure is some sort of global elitist plot, and thinks Gemma O’Doherty makes some valid points.

Don’t forget Soros...

biko

Thread needs verifiable sources.

spurshero

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I know a town where only one out of four is planning to reopen, one already has a for sale sign up. Same story all over the country. Tourist traps will be the only places where there won’t be mass casualties. Only 50% planning to reopen on the 29th. That’s a lot of jobs permanently removed from the economy by bat flu hysteria.

Only half are reopening cause only half do food . The majority of rest will reopen on July 20 . Although some probaly will never open again . Mainly the ones that were doing little trade pre Covid .

Job losses are never good but less pubs would be net positive for the nation. They are a crutch for many who might find a better use of their time & money going forward.

PirateShampoo

It was finished when they started letting women into the Bar.

It was finished when they made Drink Driving illegal.

It was finished when they banned Smoking.

markfinn

Good.
While it won't do much to improve the current mobs of shambling alcoholics in the country, it will hopefully reduce the time they spend rampaging around the streets when all worthwhile people are trying to sleep, and will reduce the impression being handed to the next generation that this self-destructive and socially destructive behaviour is "cultural", "normal" or "acceptable".

Atlantic Dawn

Augeo wrote: »

Job losses are never good but less pubs would be net positive for the nation. They are a crutch for many who might find a better use of their time & money going forward.

Gyms will be closing too so feck all for Mr Healthy to be at either.

Mrs OBumble

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I know a town where only one out of four is planning to reopen, one already has a for sale sign up. Same story all over the country. Tourist traps will be the only places where there won’t be mass casualties. Only 50% planning to reopen on the 29th. That’s a lot of jobs permanently removed from the economy by bat flu hysteria.

Pubs aren't allowed to reopen on the 29th.

Restaurants and cafes are allowed on the 29th. Pubs are 20 July.

Allinall

We can just import pubs from England.

They have loads of them, with real ale pumps and fruit machines and everything.

Only problem is they have different opening hours. We'd adapt fairly quickly though, I reckon.

HBC08

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I know a town where only one out of four is planning to reopen, one already has a for sale sign up. Same story all over the country. Tourist traps will be the only places where there won’t be mass casualties. Only 50% planning to reopen on the 29th. That’s a lot of jobs permanently removed from the economy by bat flu hysteria.

Only 50% opening on the 29th?
That's pretty good,in my town there are about 25 pubs,none are opening on the 29th that I know of.A few(2 i know of)that are restaurant type set ups are opening from the weds/thurs.
One is closed (owner wanted out anyway) and the rest will be opening during pint week from the 20th July on.

I told ya

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I know a town where only one out of four is planning to reopen, one already has a for sale sign up. Same story all over the country. Tourist traps will be the only places where there won’t be mass casualties. Only 50% planning to reopen on the 29th. That’s a lot of jobs permanently removed from the economy by bat flu hysteria.

Am I right in saying that a pub can open on 29th only if they serve food?

If that's the case then the pubs that don't serve food can't open. Some pubs that can serve food may take a wait and see approach or wait until all pubs can open.

I think it's too early to call it. It will take a few months.

Jimmy Garlic

whisky_galore wrote: »

Strange that "hysteria" killed something like 1700 people here.

People who were in the twilight of their lives anyway and a lot in nursing homes that the gov did absolutely nothing to protect. Sad yes of course but no reason to sabotage the economy the way they did. The suicide figures alone for this year will make for sobering reading.

johnb25

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Gyms will be closing too so feck all for Mr Healthy to be at either.

Both pubs and gyms will come back when and where they offer what people want.

Atlantic Dawn

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Gyms will be closing too so feck all for Mr Healthy to be at either.

Mr healthy can run on the road & resistance train at home.
My kickboxing coach always maintained you could train in a phone box if you had to with no equipment.... An extreme view but a decent viewpoint.

Gyms are reopening BTW for the mostpart.

Bob Harris

PirateShampoo wrote: »

It was finished when they started letting women into the Bar.

It was finished when they made Drink Driving illegal.

It was finished when they banned Smoking.

Between 2005 and 2018 there were 1500 pub closures. Myriad of reasons but the industry is in decline.

Cienciano

FFS, of all the ridiculous scaremongering stories on AF. Jimmy, did you do zero research? They're not allowed open unless they serve food.
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/d06271-easing-the-covid-19-restrictions-on-29-june-phase-3/

Businesses that can reopen
The following may reopen:

cafés and restaurants providing on premises food and beverages
pubs and hotel bars operating as restaurants
hotels, hostels, caravan parks and holiday parks

Here's the one for 20th July, next month:
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/acc4de-easing-the-covid-19-restrictions-on-20-july-phase-4/

The main changes are:

pubs, bars, hotel bars and casinos may reopen
gatherings of up to 100 people indoors and 500 outdoors will be permissible

Jimmy Garlic

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Pubs aren't allowed to reopen on the 29th.

Restaurants and cafes are allowed on the 29th. Pubs are 20 July.

They are allowed to open as long as they serve food. That could be baked beans on toast or cocktail sausages and peanuts.

Bob Harris

johnb25 wrote: »

Both pubs and gyms will come back when and where they offer what people want.

Drink and work out equipment?

Jimmy Garlic

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

People who were in the twilight of their lives anyway and a lot in nursing homes that the gov did absolutely nothing to protect. Sad yes of course but no reason to sabotage the economy the way they did. The suicide figures alone for this year will make for sobering reading.

Lockdown also protected those with underlying conditions..... If you'd cystic fibrosis you'd not relish a battle with covid19.

If it wasn't for lockdown plenty fat pint swillers would have been killed off too.

Guy:Incognito

frag420 wrote: »

Don’t forget Soros...

and Bill. Hes stolen some of the Soros thunder lately.


Hes the new CT favourite.

DarTipp

its a bit too early to say this, I certainly hope they will be able to go back to some kind of normality very soon , I live in a small town where the covid 2metre will not suit the majority of them,

mikemac2

The decline has been happening for decades OP

whisky_galore

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Pubs that were dying on their arses anyway and a lot of rural pubs that the gov did absolutely nothing to protect.

Fyp.

Kylta

I think covid has changed the face of lots of things we took for granted. Pubs,(which have social distancing i can't see working nevermind the time allowed in the pub) face masks (on public transport,) shopping (no browsing). I think the future for many businesses will be challenging.

HBC08

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

They are allowed to open as long as they serve food. That could be baked beans on toast or cocktail sausages and peanuts.

Yes but they'd have to act as restaraunt,retrain staff,change the layout,organise menus,a booking system etc and then charge €9 for the beans on toast.
Or they wait the 3 weeks til pubs are permitted to open.
What would you do Jimmy?

Jimmy Garlic

HBC08 wrote: »

Yes but they'd have to act as restaraunt,retrain staff,change the layout,organise menus,a booking system etc and then charge €9 for the beans on toast.
Or they wait the 3 weeks til pubs are permitted to open.
What would you do Jimmy?

Cobble together a “restaurant”, packet of nightlights and some napkins should do the trick, promote a staff member to “chef”. Buy a toasted sandwich maker and a large saucepan.

murpho999

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

They are allowed to open as long as they serve food. That could be baked beans on toast or cocktail sausages and peanuts.

Well that has been well document in the media to not be true and it must be a substantial meal.

As for the OP, the ignorance is strong in this one.

Pubs are struggling to due changes in people's lifestyles but they will always be there.

They have adapted over the years and become places where you can get a decent meal.

Years ago pubs served at best a rotten carvery and maybe toasted sandwiches in a bag.

Now they're better and smoke free.

Irish people like to enjoy themselves too much for pubs to disappear entirely.

Dravokivich

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Cobble together a “restaurant”, packet of nightlights and some napkins should do the trick, promote a staff member to “chef”. Buy a toasted sandwich maker and a large saucepan.

I hope I'm never going to buy something off you, if you think business should be done with less than minimal effort.

maestroamado

The VFI are largely responsible for the demise of rural pubs, its a pity really.
A bottle of premium lager can be bought in supermarket can be bought in a shop for €1.
The VFI want customers to pay €4/5 for same product in regular bar.
They missed a golden opportunity when cafe bars were suggested but they rejected the idea.
Its like everything else, adapt to the needes of society or die.

I do not think pubs can open unless they serve meal minimum €9...

markfinn

markfinn wrote: »

Good.
While it won't do much to improve the current mobs of shambling alcoholics in the country, it will hopefully reduce the time they spend rampaging around the streets when all worthwhile people are trying to sleep, and will reduce the impression being handed to the next generation that this self-destructive and socially destructive behaviour is "cultural", "normal" or "acceptable".

It’s not those pubs that will be closing. It’s the ones that are essential for the elderly bachelor farmer in the middle of nowhere to go and get his pint and only social interaction

Jimmy Garlic

murpho999 wrote: »

Well that has been well document in the media to not be true and it must be a substantial meal.

As for the OP, the ignorance is strong in this one.

Pubs are struggling to due changes in people's lifestyles but they will always be there.

They have adapted over the years and become places where you can get a decent meal.

Years ago pubs served at best a rotten carvery and maybe toasted sandwiches in a bag.

Now they're better and smoke free.

Irish people like to enjoy themselves too much for pubs to disappear entirely.

You could have a substantial amount of cocktail sausages or chicken wings, sprinkle with parsley, hey presto.

murpho999

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

You could have a substantial amount of cocktail sausages or chicken wings, sprinkle with parsley, hey presto.

The 1980s just called you and they want their pub back.

HBC08

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Cobble together a “restaurant”, packet of nightlights and some napkins should do the trick, promote a staff member to “chef”. Buy a toasted sandwich maker and a large saucepan.

I'm currently trying to reopen a side business (tourism based) on Mon 29th.Its a lot less complicated than reopening a pub to act as a restaurant but theres an awful lot involved in complying with new covid regulations.
"cobbled together" doesnt cut it.

I suspect youre not running a business yourself but give gold plated advice from the barstool?

murpho999

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

You could have a substantial amount of cocktail sausages or chicken wings, sprinkle with parsley, hey presto.

Anyhow I know you're trying to be funny, which it's not but it's simple that pubs that not operate a normal food business before with menus and proper kitchens will not be opening.

These hilarious jokes about cocktail sausages and €9 bags of Tayto will not work and those pubs will simply have to wait a few weeks.

I don't think I'll be bothered with the pubs for a while anyway with all the restrictions in place as I go their to relax.

PirateShampoo

Bob Harris wrote: »

Between 2005 and 2018 there were 1500 pub closures. Myriad of reasons but the industry is in decline.

Or over saturation?

Is it a good idea to have 6 pubs in a town with 1 street?

Cienciano

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

They are allowed to open as long as they serve food. That could be baked beans on toast or cocktail sausages and peanuts.

Not true either.

This definition provides that “the meal
is such as might be expected to be served as a main midday or
evening meal or as a main course in either such meal” and is of a
kind for which it would be reasonable to charge not less than €9

You think a bowl of peanuts fulfills that? You go into many pubs that have a bowl of peanuts on the menu as a main meal? Or bowl of cocktail sausages?

Dravokivich

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Or over saturation?

Is it a good idea to have 6 pubs in a town with 1 street?

Depends on the population and rate of footfall in the area from passing traffic.

Jimmy Garlic

HBC08 wrote: »

I'm currently trying to reopen a side business (tourism based) on Mon 29th.Its a lot less complicated than reopening a pub to act as a restaurant but theres an awful lot involved in complying with new covid regulations.
"cobbled together" doesnt cut it.

I suspect youre not running a business yourself but give gold plated advice from the barstool?

I am actually but not in hospitality. What’s so difficult about opening a pub as a restaurant. Of course it can be cobbled together. Five score and a trolly dash around lidl, it’s totally possible.

HBC08

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I am actually but not in hospitality. What’s so difficult about opening a pub as a restaurant. Of course it can be cobbled together. Five score and a trolly dash around lidl, it’s totally possible.

That's genius Jimmy.
If only the business owners of Ireland had the same can do,problem solving skills.

murpho999

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I am actually but not in hospitality. What’s so difficult about opening a pub as a restaurant. Of course it can be cobbled together. Five score and a trolly dash around lidl, it’s totally possible.

You can't just cobble it together.

You need a fully kitted out kitchen which costs thousands, compliance with food safety rules which are extremely strict in Ireland.

Probably an issue with the licence.

Then you need staff.

Really you're oversimplyfing what food is and it's not chicken wings and peanuts.

Rodney Bathgate

Cienciano wrote: »

Not true either.


You think a bowl of peanuts fulfills that? You go into many pubs that have a bowl of peanuts on the menu as a main meal? Or bowl of cocktail sausages?

Beans on toast is fine, or beans on waffles.

The Irish pub is gone. Kaput as they say in France. We'll never see the likes again.

Until next Monday.

y0ssar1an22

Do you have to order food, or the pub just have to offer it? A giant pot of pasta should suffice if you just have to offer it

Cienciano

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Beans on toast is fine, or beans on waffles.

I've never seen beans on toast as a main meal in a pub. Not that there's anything wrong with it, it's a substantial meal imho. Wouldn't pay €9 for it though.

paw patrol

the sneering judgement of pubs and drinkers on this thread is amazing.

Signore Fancy Pants

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I am actually but not in hospitality. What’s so difficult about opening a pub as a restaurant. Of course it can be cobbled together. Five score and a trolly dash around lidl, it’s totally possible.

There's a 35 page document outlining areas of compliance specifically for COVID, surrounding the reopening of restaraunts.

That's an establishment who are already au fait with HACCP guidelines etc. A pub with limited/no food serving experience will also need to impliment and adhere to the 35 page document.

Any failure in compliance and the establishment will be shut down.

Best of luck with the trolly dash.