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Manchester United Teamtalk/Transfer Rumours/Gossip 2019/20 (Mod Notes Post #1)
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Bruno finishes the Europa Leaguw top scorer with eight goals.
I disagree.
Keep them coming Headshot
Ty TSC my good man
Nothing beats a good old corny joke once in a while
If the Greek police have watched Harry Maguire play CB this season I highly doubt they're gonna believe he's capable of self defence
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I'm not arguing that I'd want a DoF to make that many changes in one summer for us. The point is with a great system in place, coupled with a desire to actually win trophies, a top level DoF can do so much for a club. I also never fully buy into the "You can't change 11 players in one summer" mentality if I'm being honest.
Mainly because I think when there's certain weaknesses in the squad, I feel dragging on the process of replacing players only drags that issue on longer, rather than lowering it's impact.
Chelsea are on track to buy five new first team players this summer (Werner, Zieych, Havertz, Silva, Chilwell), and I'd be shocked if they don't move for a goalkeeper too. Now, maybe that will impact this season coming. On the other hand, by next season, they'll all be massively bedded in and ready to fire the following one. Chelsea are pretty much guaranteeing a title bid in the next 24 months with their aggressive window.
City, likewise, will likely have an aggressive window. It's looking like Ake and Torres, Koubilly, I'd have worries about Messi.
Both clubs are making moves which show ambition.
Meanwhile, we're still trying to plug holes that have been there for years, and new holes are popping up now. RW and CM was an issue last summer, and now we've got holes popping up in the squad, arguably at CB (again) and LB. We're constantly fighting to keep up with our ultra-slow methodology. We obviously need three or four players just to maintain our current level (let alone improve). Matic aging. We're lucky we've got DDG's long term replacement coming through the system already, or we'd have to be putting another 70m in there.
I'm not arguing we need 9 new players. But we absolutely needed 4 minimum to improve our level at the standard others around us will be improving.
A DoF established two or three years ago might have even been able to buy a few 18-21 year olds who Ole would be more confident working into the team. We've been doing well bringing in a few new kids recently at academy level. But you look at the likes of Leipzig getting to the CL finals on the back of their incredible youth system, Ajax making the CL finals last year with their great scouting system...
...a good DoF would have been plugging the holes we've had more effectively. A Monchi at United wouldn't need to have signed 9 new starters last summer, but with our scouting system, instead of focusing 120m on a single transfer to the detriment of all others, would he have been able to scout four targets for this summer more effectively?
(This has become a bit of a Saturday morning ramble....)
When Jose got sandbagged, there was nearly a level of blame put on Jose for the type of manager he was. "Who'd want to sign more players for him, his record is bad, he's boring and falls out with players. Ed is justified".
Not Ole, a manager who plays attractive football, with younger players, is also getting sandbagged on the back of a 3rd place finish.
We have no structure. No plans. No ambition to improve.
Its depressing. I usually try and be optimistic in windows. But this just feels like last summer again. No real links to anyone (bar Sancho which seems like it's 90% dead), while everyone around us is showing ambition.
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I'm not arguing that I'd want a DoF to make that many changes in one summer for us. The point is with a great system in place, coupled with a desire to actually win trophies, a top level DoF can do so much for a club. I also never fully buy into the "You can't change 11 players in one summer" mentality if I'm being honest.
Mainly because I think when there's certain weaknesses in the squad, I feel dragging on the process of replacing players only drags that issue on longer, rather than lowering it's impact.
Chelsea are on track to buy five new first team players this summer (Werner, Zieych, Havertz, Silva, Chilwell), and I'd be shocked if they don't move for a goalkeeper too. Now, maybe that will impact this season coming. On the other hand, by next season, they'll all be massively bedded in and ready to fire the following one. Chelsea are pretty much guaranteeing a title bid in the next 24 months with their aggressive window.
City, likewise, will likely have an aggressive window. It's looking like Ake and Torres, Koubilly, I'd have worries about Messi.
Both clubs are making moves which show ambition.
Meanwhile, we're still trying to plug holes that have been there for years, and new holes are popping up now. RW and CM was an issue last summer, and now we've got holes popping up in the squad, arguably at CB (again) and LB. We're constantly fighting to keep up with our ultra-slow methodology. We obviously need three or four players just to maintain our current level (let alone improve). Matic aging. We're lucky we've got DDG's long term replacement coming through the system already, or we'd have to be putting another 70m in there.
I'm not arguing we need 9 new players. But we absolutely needed 4 minimum to improve our level at the standard others around us will be improving.
A DoF established two or three years ago might have even been able to buy a few 18-21 year olds who Ole would be more confident working into the team. We've been doing well bringing in a few new kids recently at academy level. But you look at the likes of Leipzig getting to the CL finals on the back of their incredible youth system, Ajax making the CL finals last year with their great scouting system...
...a good DoF would have been plugging the holes we've had more effectively. A Monchi at United wouldn't need to have signed 9 new starters last summer, but with our scouting system, instead of focusing 120m on a single transfer to the detriment of all others, would he have been able to scout four targets for this summer more effectively?
(This has become a bit of a Saturday morning ramble....)
When Jose got sandbagged, there was nearly a level of blame put on Jose for the type of manager he was. "Who'd want to sign more players for him, his record is bad, he's boring and falls out with players. Ed is justified".
Not Ole, a manager who plays attractive football, with younger players, is also getting sandbagged on the back of a 3rd place finish.
We have no structure. No plans. No ambition to improve.
Its depressing. I usually try and be optimistic in windows. But this just feels like last summer again. No real links to anyone (bar Sancho which seems like it's 90% dead), while everyone around us is showing ambition.
We have a chance to kick on next season by strengthening this Summer but if we don't it's a case of 1 step forward and 2 back. It will be a shambles if we don't plug the gaping holes in our 1st team and strengthen the bench options.0 -
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I'm not arguing that I'd want a DoF to make that many changes in one summer for us. The point is with a great system in place, coupled with a desire to actually win trophies, a top level DoF can do so much for a club. I also never fully buy into the "You can't change 11 players in one summer" mentality if I'm being honest.
Mainly because I think when there's certain weaknesses in the squad, I feel dragging on the process of replacing players only drags that issue on longer, rather than lowering it's impact.
Chelsea are on track to buy five new first team players this summer (Werner, Zieych, Havertz, Silva, Chilwell), and I'd be shocked if they don't move for a goalkeeper too. Now, maybe that will impact this season coming. On the other hand, by next season, they'll all be massively bedded in and ready to fire the following one. Chelsea are pretty much guaranteeing a title bid in the next 24 months with their aggressive window.
City, likewise, will likely have an aggressive window. It's looking like Ake and Torres, Koubilly, I'd have worries about Messi.
Both clubs are making moves which show ambition.
Meanwhile, we're still trying to plug holes that have been there for years, and new holes are popping up now. RW and CM was an issue last summer, and now we've got holes popping up in the squad, arguably at CB (again) and LB. We're constantly fighting to keep up with our ultra-slow methodology. We obviously need three or four players just to maintain our current level (let alone improve). Matic aging. We're lucky we've got DDG's long term replacement coming through the system already, or we'd have to be putting another 70m in there.
I'm not arguing we need 9 new players. But we absolutely needed 4 minimum to improve our level at the standard others around us will be improving.
A DoF established two or three years ago might have even been able to buy a few 18-21 year olds who Ole would be more confident working into the team. We've been doing well bringing in a few new kids recently at academy level. But you look at the likes of Leipzig getting to the CL finals on the back of their incredible youth system, Ajax making the CL finals last year with their great scouting system...
...a good DoF would have been plugging the holes we've had more effectively. A Monchi at United wouldn't need to have signed 9 new starters last summer, but with our scouting system, instead of focusing 120m on a single transfer to the detriment of all others, would he have been able to scout four targets for this summer more effectively?
(This has become a bit of a Saturday morning ramble....)
When Jose got sandbagged, there was nearly a level of blame put on Jose for the type of manager he was. "Who'd want to sign more players for him, his record is bad, he's boring and falls out with players. Ed is justified".
Not Ole, a manager who plays attractive football, with younger players, is also getting sandbagged on the back of a 3rd place finish.
We have no structure. No plans. No ambition to improve.
Its depressing. I usually try and be optimistic in windows. But this just feels like last summer again. No real links to anyone (bar Sancho which seems like it's 90% dead), while everyone around us is showing ambition.
This is why I’m always angry. Constant focus on managers and big name signings are distractions. Ever since I was forced to sell my own shares in the club back in 2005, I’ve had an underlying hatred for the owners and Woodward (for brokering the deal). But like every other fan, I buried this when we started to win leagues and hoped the influence of the owners would become more passive.
Instead , they’ve slowly destroyed our advantage over our rivals and are painfully running the club into the ground. I dread to think where the club might be in a few years time.
Ignorance is actually bliss. On the days I don’t think of the overall state of the club and how we have fallen, I can get sporadic moments of joy. Glimmers of hope like Fernandes only serve as a reminder of what once was and can be just enough to tantalise us all into believing there are green shoots of recovery. Deep down I don’t believe it and I don’t believe any other fan really does think anything has changed.
The stadium is falling apart, very much like the team and our ability to live off our past glories. Ole’s appointment was a joke and a sign that those at the top had no plan and no idea how to manage the footballing side. But clubs like Chelsea , Barcelona and even Madrid have shown the capacity to succeed with managers with little pedigree before taking the job. Maybe Ole can somehow make our dysfunctional club work, that’s how I feel right now but I know it’s a fairly flimsy reasoning to expect the clubs deeper issues to just work themselves out. I suppose we all do what we need to do to not give up complete hope. Lower expectations with Ole may lead to a more satisfying journey with sporadic moments of satisfaction.
I have been supporting Ole , like I have all our managers, but I don’t see them as our biggest problem. The money being spent/wasted is all because there is and has not been a competent plan since 2013 when Woodward/Glazers took more responsibilities in the football side of things. I fear their uneducated influence in footballing affairs is far more damaging then people care to consider. They were good at growing United's marketing potential, the should of stuck to that area of competency.
Some of our fans seem to think that if we can just get the right manager things will work out. That may prove to eventually be the case but this has continually given the Owners (the real problem) a pass. There are plenty of examples around Europe where clubs have had success more from how they a create an environment for winning and a manager is usually the final piece of that jigsaw. Not one time in 7 years have United looked like a club ready to fullfil the potential that’s it’s financial muscle promises. To look anywhere else but the top is folly.
It’s our inability to do anything to change the owners that leads us to get angry at the wrong elements. Players and managers taking responsibility and the anger for not matching the fans goals. But fans goals and the owners goals don’t match up. Winning a league or champions league is not financially desirable at a certain point. Between 2005-13 the investment in the first team was very conservative relative to the return received. The exact opposite has happened since 2013 , the decisions on how to use our resources and who to manage them are all 100% down to the Glazers and Woodward by extension. It really is that simple.
In the summer Fred and Dalot were bought to make up double digit distance from league winner, it was the final evidence required to confirm what most of us knew already, that the ambition of the fans and owners are not equal. What is worse, is that the owners have shown no ambition to improve or change how they have wasted our resources. The club is at this stage their play thing, they don’t want to make the changes , any other business model failing as badly as their footwell model would be thrown out and replaced..0 -
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