The National Party

McFly85

joe40 wrote: »

How out of touch from the wider population are they. There is no desire among the electorate to introduce capital punishment in Ireland. Even when it was allowed and was the mandatory punishment for crimes it was never used.

It suits me fine while the NP keep up with this nonsense their support will never pass a few hundred.

Yes, the Irish electorate has shown time and again that the ideals of the national party do not represent them.

And in the classic time honoured far right tradition, they blame the electorate for thinking incorrectly.

drunkmonkey

He just called John Connors a noose gang asshole, grab some popcorn.

dubrov

ChelseaRentBoy wrote:

About time we had an option to vote right. We desperately need that option as this country is headed to a very dark place indeed if the current crop of idiots are elected again and again.

There are plenty of options, just no one votes for them.

Acosta

https://twitter.com/RobertBohan/status/1282217428337000449?s=19

Bonniedog

Seems that the antifa cult have seized on a drawing of a noose to create some faux outrage.

These are people whose entire raison d'etre and ideology is based on violence. Fortunately they are not very proficient at it and regularly get their asses whupped.

Strange mixture of inadequates who fantasize about Lenin and Trotsky murdering vast numbers of people and newbie Shinners who missed the war. Crudden I do believe given his origin and family background is one of the latter.

micosoft

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Capital punishment is compatible with a fair trial and a robust court system. If anything it becomes more essential if you have those punishments.

Sure Cartman. As Lord Denning said of the Birmingham Six "“We shouldn’t have all these campaigns to get them released if they’d been hanged. They’d have been forgotten and the whole community would have been satisfied.”

McFly85

Bonniedog wrote: »

Seems that the antifa cult have seized on a drawing of a noose to create some faux outrage.

These are people whose entire raison d'etre and ideology is based on violence. Fortunately they are not very proficient at it and regularly get their asses whupped.

Strange mixture of inadequates who fantasize about Lenin and Trotsky murdering vast numbers of people and newbie Shinners who missed the war. Crudden I do believe given his origin and family background is one of the latter.

Those are quite the mental gymnastics!

A noose on a sign at a supposed anti paedophile rally suggests that the national party would support lynching.

If you disagree with the above, you could explain why instead of calling everyone antifa Trotskyist fanatics?

drunkmonkey

McFly85 wrote: »

A noose on a sign at a supposed anti paedophile rally suggests that the national party would support lynching.

It's probably worth listening to the speech, you won't have to make any more assumptions then. The noose is for hanging convicted pedophiles.

ohnonotgmail

complain that antifa are violent thugs. the same posters congratulating NP violent thugs. Almost as if there problem is not with the violence at all. they just dont like anybody standing up to their fascist ideology.

Acosta

McFly85 wrote: »

Those are quite the mental gymnastics!

A noose on a sign at a supposed anti paedophile rally suggests that the national party would support lynching.

If you disagree with the above, you could explain why instead of calling everyone antifa Trotskyist fanatics?

Sounds about right. Didn't their little fascist leader recently say he'd be in favour of the death penalty for doctors who carried out abortions?

Augme

Acosta wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RobertBohan/status/1282217428337000449?s=19

Attaching a group of 4-5 people(and mainly women). Real tough guys these ring wing extremists.

ExMachina1000

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

complain that antifa are violent thugs. the same posters congratulating NP violent thugs. Almost as if there problem is not with the violence at all. they just dont like anybody standing up to their fascist ideology.

I find it hard to believe that there are people who show up to protest an anti paedophilia rally. Yet there they were. As seen in the videos

drunkmonkey

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

complain that antifa are violent thugs. the same posters congratulating NP violent thugs. Almost as if there problem is not with the violence at all. they just dont like anybody standing up to their fascist ideology.

To question a lefty is homophobic, to protest against pedophilia is fascist.

Remind me who the fascists are again as I don't think it's who you think it is.

joe40

Acosta wrote: »

Sounds about right. Didn't their little fascist leader recently say he'd be in favour of the death penalty for doctors who carried out abortions?

As the old saying goes, "give them enough rope to hang themselves"

Nobody should try to argue with, or disrupt a NP protest.

Please just let them speak, let them damage themselves. Their views are simply incompatible with the Irish public.

irishgrover

ExMachina1000 wrote:

I find it hard to believe that there are people who show up to protest an anti paedophilia rally. Yet there they were. As seen in the videos

But it wasn't an anti paedophilia rally. It was an ultra right wing, conspiracy theory loving, anti immigration, anti black, anti Jew, anti abortion, anti non white Catholic anti chemtrail rally pretending to be an anti paedophilia.....

Slowyourrole

coinop wrote: »

A rousing speech by Justin Barrett at the March for Innocence in Dublin yesterday. However the most inspiring take-away of the day was seeing many right-wing groups - National Party, Irish Freedom Party and ACI - come together for the common cause of rejecting pedophilia apologists in our government.

It's encouraging to reflect that 5 years ago there wasn't really a voice for the right wing in Irish politics. Now we not only have several political parties to vote for, but there are also many media outlets willing to cover the stories that RTE and the mainstream refuse to, such as Roderic O'Gorman's shady connections. Media outlets such as Gript, the Burkean and the Liberal. The zeitgeist is moving in our direction lads. We can debate the reasons why but I personally believe the Left are their own worst enemy. When they embarrass themselves with amateur stunts like Eamonn Crudden tried (and failed) to do yesterday, they drive normal people away. Objecting to ordinary, decent people protesting against pedophilia is not a good look. Ar dheis, ar aghaidh.

The cheek of you trying to disguise blatant homophobia as protesting against paedophiles.

ohnonotgmail

Mayorga wrote: »

No, we dont like paedo apologists. And theyll be battered when they show up. Male or female.

so the violence is not the issue then. i'm glad we cleared that up.

Dyr

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

complain that antifa are violent thugs. the same posters congratulating NP violent thugs. Almost as if there problem is not with the violence at all. they just dont like anybody standing up to their fascist ideology.

The extremists will always wind up engaging is street brawls with each other.

If you polarise people enough then it will happen on a bigger scale, thats what every extreme group wants, undermining the moderate norm so that people gravitiate towards them. It's what Antifa types want, it's what BLM want, its what Barrett wants.

Dont cry when you get what you want.

suicide_circus

irishgrover wrote: »

But it wasn't an anti paedophilia rally. It was an ultra right wing, conspiracy theory loving, anti immigration, anti black, anti Jew, anti abortion, anti non white Catholic anti chemtrail rally pretending to be an anti paedophilia.....

Are you saying that protest movements can claim to be about one thing but really have an entirely different sinister agenda?

ohnonotgmail

drunkmonkey wrote: »

To question a lefty is homophobic, to protest against pedophilia is fascist.

Remind me who the fascists are again as I don't think it's who you think it is.

no, i'm pretty sure who the facists are. one of them was outside the dail yesterday wearing a childs communion suit. Of course you are going to tell me that he isn't a facist.

ohnonotgmail

Mayorga wrote: »

For me personally no. Ill gladly dish out violence to any scumbag pedo apologist.

ExMachina1000

irishgrover wrote: »

But it wasn't an anti paedophilia rally. It was an ultra right wing, conspiracy theory loving, anti immigration, anti black, anti Jew, anti abortion, anti non white Catholic anti chemtrail rally pretending to be an anti paedophilia.....

Oh they were just pretending. I see.

Munsterlad102

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

no, i'm pretty sure who the facists are. one of them was outside the dail yesterday wearing a childs communion suit. Of course you are going to tell me that he isn't a facist.

Have you even read the 9 principles? One of them is a commitment to democracy, are you seriously trying to tell us that a fascist would protect democracy? Yeah right, how about you go get your facts straight and come back with a proper argument and debate them ideolically instead of petty name calling.

Dyr

Augme wrote: »

Attaching a group of 4-5 people(and mainly women). Real tough guys these ring wing extremists.

Cant believe you assumed their identities. :mad::mad::mad:

ohnonotgmail

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Have you even read the 9 principles? One of them is a commitment to democracy, are you seriously trying to tell us that a fascist would protect democracy? Yeah right, how about you go get your facts straight and come back with a proper argument and debate them ideolically instead of petty name calling.

no intention of debating fascist ideology. Any ideology that thinks some people are of less worth than others doesn't deserve debate. your mate hermann has a long history with far right and fascist groups.

ExMachina1000

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

no intention of debating fascist ideology. Any ideology that thinks some people are of less worth than others doesn't deserve debate. your mate hermann has a long history with far right and fascist groups.

Who is Pat Corcoran and why does his name keep coming up?

I did a firefox search but came up with nothing

irishgrover

ExMachina1000 wrote:

Oh they were just pretending. I see.

Yes, as you say, they were absolutely pretenting. Generally speaking these people dont give a particular flying **** about kids. However if they can manufacture a threat to children from a group that they hate (in this case a gay left wing politition) then they get ultra excited as it gives them an avenue to pedal their hate under the pretext of something else and attract more stupid people.
Obviously their mecca (so to speak), would be an opertunity to associate black non Irish, non Christian immigrants with child abuse, but they have not yet had the opertunity.
Glad to hear that you are beginning to understand though

Munsterlad102

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

no intention of debating fascist ideology. Any ideology that thinks some people are of less worth than others doesn't deserve debate. your mate hermann has a long history with far right and fascist groups.

You’re not answering my question, have you even read the 9 principals? If you had and if you also had a basis understanding of fascism and traditional conservatism then you would understand that the National Party isn’t fascist, far from it. You’re calling them fascist just because you think everyone who want to protect Irish culture and identity is a racist and an evil Nazi, well perhaps you should vent your delusional anger at the Department of Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht, you know the institutional department that is advocating for the protection and preservation of Irish culture and why don’t you go calling the minister in charge of that a Nazi, oh wait she’s a woman from the Green Party. You refusing to debate the National Party’s ideas because they’re allegedly fascist is just a petty and childish excuse because you can’t debunk their politics, instead you just slander them. Typical. Also who the **** is Hermann?

super_furry

Mainstream? Hahaha that demented little gremlin Justin Barrett has stated that his main goal is to see Ireland ruled by an ultra-catholic dictatorship.

Got to love all the brand new sock-puppet accounts here fighting his corner.

irishgrover

suicide_circus wrote:

Are you saying that protest movements can claim to be about one thing but really have an entirely different sinister agenda?

I though i was fairly explicit - I'm saying that yesterdays gathering was organised by and primarily populated by a bunch of hate filled, racist arseholes who care a lot more about hating blacks, Jews, Muslims and homosexuals that they care about protecting children....

McFly85

The idea of an anti-paedophile rally in and of itself is patently ridiculous. Society is obviously anti-paedophile.

This was used as an excuse to whip up hate and suggest(with completely zero evidence) that the current government is somehow pro-paedophile. It’s lowest common denominator politics and completely transparent to the vast majority of the electorate.

irishgrover

I'm not sure what part of my post you have difficult reading and why you think that it conflicts with your anecdotal response. Regardless I can't be held responsible for your inability to understand or comprehend basic english sentences.
I'll stay logged on thanks, watching NP supporters trying to articulate anything of intelligence is just too entertaining to stay away from...

**Context Edit - - This post was a response to a post that appears to have been removed by a Mod -- it was not a reply to the current previous post**

super_furry

McFly85 wrote: »

The idea of an anti-paedophile rally in and of itself is patently ridiculous. Society is obviously anti-paedophile.

This was used as an excuse to whip up hate and suggest(with completely zero evidence) that the current government is somehow pro-paedophile. It’s lowest common denominator politics and completely transparent to the vast majority of the electorate.

And there were have the crux of it. It's a cynical, empty gesture of a 'rally' whereby the sole purpose is to try and depict their critics as paedophiles.

Your protesting against a group whose stated aim is the implementation of a hard-catholic dictatorship in Ireland? Then you're a paedo supporter!

Eric Cartman

Its the great double standard.

John connors was involved in tonnes of lefty bits, disagreed with them on this one issue and now he’s ‘far right’
Justin barret goes to any event and suddenly the entire thing is far right. Associating with anyone in those circles makes you far right.

But on the left we have peter tatchell, documented paedophile sympathiser being celebrated and named in a photo with the minister for children and ‘that doesnt mean the minister agrees with tatchell’ the tweet is still up, tatchell is still a green party member, and nobody is guilty by association there.

Acosta

Mayorga wrote: »

There was a homosexual speaker at the event yesterday. Log off pal.

Did he bring his sign with him?

https://images.app.goo.gl/B4kkuM8NtsTkqdCq6

McFly85

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Its the great double standard.

John connors was involved in tonnes of lefty bits, disagreed with them on this one issue and now he’s ‘far right’
Justin barret goes to any event and suddenly the entire thing is far right. Associating with anyone in those circles makes you far right.

But on the left we have peter tatchell, documented paedophile sympathiser being celebrated and named in a photo with the minister for children and ‘that doesnt mean the minister agrees with tatchell’ the tweet is still up, tatchell is still a green party member, and nobody is guilty by association there.

Who is celebrating Thatchell?

And the idea of someone being guilty of anything because they were in a photo with someone else is complete madness. Thankfully most people would require actual evidence.

Like there’s a photo of John Connors with Tyson doing the rounds, can we infer from this that he is pro-rape?

Eric Cartman

McFly85 wrote: »

Who is celebrating Thatchell?

And the idea of someone being guilty of anything because they were in a photo with someone else is complete madness. Thankfully most people would require actual evidence.

Like there’s a photo of John Connors with Tyson doing the rounds, can we infer from this that he is pro-rape?

I assume youre reffering to that woman in twitter who is trying to imply exactly that with the photo.

She keeps calling it a ‘homophobic protest’ too

Baggly

Mod

Mayorga, stay out of this thread.

Galwayguy35

Acosta wrote: »

A bunch of idiots, many of whom spend a lot of time whinging about their longing for the country to return to the good old days of catholic Ireland, hold a rally about protecting children from peodophiles. OK

You could count on one hand the amount of people who want a clergyman to have any say in the running of the country.

There is room for a party from the right but to be successful they need to leave the religion bit out of it, something they don't seem to have realised yet.

McFly85

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I assume youre reffering to that woman in twitter who is trying to imply exactly that with the photo.

She keeps calling it a ‘homophobic protest’ too

I’ve seen a few tweets with it. I am referring to the fact that people are using an out of context photo to imply guilt by association and assuming that suggests what that persons values are.

If this is the level of evidence required by the national party, they’re going to need a hell of a lot of rope.

Eric Cartman

McFly85 wrote: »

I’ve seen a few tweets with it. I am referring to the fact that people are using an out of context photo to imply guilt by association and assuming that suggests what that persons values are.

If this is the level of evidence required by the national party, they’re going to need a hell of a lot of rope.

Like when that guy walked into the middle of the free speech rally, threw up a nazi salute for a photographer and walked off but that photo proved it was a nazi rally


The bar for associative proof is horifically low on both sides of this.

McFly85

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Like when that guy walked into the middle of the free speech rally, threw up a nazi salute for a photographer and walked off but that photo proved it was a nazi rally


The bar for associative proof is horifically low on both sides of this.

“But the others are doing it too” is a poor defence that doesn’t excuse trying to ruin a man for simply having a photo taken of him.

The Nal

100 losers yesterday. Twitter and facebook addicts with nothing better to do with their Saturday. Sad.

The Barrett lad is funny though. The way he tries to speak in public to come across like strong person. Mortified for him and anyone who gives him their time. One of the most pathetic people I think I've ever seen.

epo addict

Finally a party fighting to stop Irish workers paying taxes to support African free hotels and houses. House Irish FIRST

Eric Cartman

McFly85 wrote: »

“But the others are doing it too” is a poor defence that doesn’t excuse trying to ruin a man for simply having a photo taken of him.

Im saying its an unfortunate issue in extremist politics all round. Leaving the minister for children aside on that issue as I do believe him when he said he only met tatchell once. This protest was also heavily about the bill (crafted by the last government) to allow children to change their gender on school forms etc.. which I think is fundamentally disagreeable.

Bonniedog

The Nal wrote: »

100 losers yesterday. Twitter and facebook addicts with nothing better to do with their Saturday. Sad.

The Barrett lad is funny though. The way he tries to speak in public to come across like strong person. Mortified for him and anyone who gives him their time. One of the most pathetic people I think I've ever seen.

No Pasaran comrade

There was only one bunch of losers there it would seem.

McFly85

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Im saying its an unfortunate issue in extremist politics all round. Leaving the minister for children aside on that issue as I do believe him when he said he only met tatchell once. This protest was also heavily about the bill (crafted by the last government) to allow children to change their gender on school forms etc.. which I think is fundamentally disagreeable.

I agree that there’s an extremist issue on all sides, and I’m not getting into the gender thing here as there’s already plenty of threads on that, but I do think that the nationalist party relies on this extremist, populist, emotive rhetoric because there’s no other way for them to promote their ideals.

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Its the great double standard.

John connors was involved in tonnes of lefty bits, disagreed with them on this one issue and now he’s ‘far right’
Justin barret goes to any event and suddenly the entire thing is far right. Associating with anyone in those circles makes you far right.

But on the left we have peter tatchell, documented paedophile sympathiser being celebrated and named in a photo with the minister for children and ‘that doesnt mean the minister agrees with tatchell’ the tweet is still up, tatchell is still a green party member, and nobody is guilty by association there.

He's been viewed as far right since last year. It's not related to just this. He was backing the likes of Grand Grand Torino.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Like when that guy walked into the middle of the free speech rally, threw up a nazi salute for a photographer and walked off but that photo proved it was a nazi rally


The bar for associative proof is horifically low on both sides of this.

He's clearly enjoying meeting Tyson. The fact he's a convicted rapist is far better known than a letter by Tatchell in the 90s.

Then when we look at Hermann Kelly, he worked for the Irish Catholic but now seems to be the only time he's come out against child abuse. On top of that, he wrote a book to try to smear a victim of child sexual abuse which created a very negative image of industrial schools.

Loafing Oaf

The Nal wrote: »

The Barrett lad is funny though. The way he tries to speak in public to come across like strong person. Mortified for him and anyone who gives him their time. One of the most pathetic people I think I've ever seen.

How delusional must he be to think that he might be able to lead a political party to success years after he was reported to be attending far-right gatherings in Europe?
Even if he had found a more presentable frontperson for the party and sought to act as their puppetmaster their might be some political rationale to it...

circadian

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

I find it hard to believe that there are people who show up to protest an anti paedophilia rally. Yet there they were. As seen in the videos

You lads are setting the bar really, really low today. Astounding.