All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship (Liam Mccarthy Cup) 2020

Chalk McHugh

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Why is it so hard retain the all Ireland recently?

Is it because so many are now in with a chance of winning in any year?

A decade ago it really was only Tipp or kk

Galway going into Leinster and the new round robin format's in Munster and Leinster will make it harder for any team winning back to back All Irelands in future.

FintanMcluskey

threeball wrote: »

TJ is better at winning contested ball in the air. I think his close range free taking is probably a bit better than Joe. Joe is better at seeing the less obvious pass.
Both very dangerous when taking a man on, Joe uses power more whereas TJ uses footwork but both very effective. Both very accurate from play. TJ more prolific the last few years but Joe has serious mileage up so his game has changed.

There's very little between them in my opinion. My point is Joe is the best dead ball specialist we've ever seen. Taking nothing from TJ who's stronger than Joe in other areas as I mentioned.

Joe has serious miles on the clock and is still the most consistent out there.

It seems a lifetime ago the controversy at club level against Loughrea in 2006.

Chalk McHugh

This Canning v Reid debate is going around in circles. For me they are both true greats of the game. And i don't say that lightly. Does it really matter who is better? I really don't think it does. It has been a pleasure to watch both in action down through the years and their legacies will live long after their gone.

threeball

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Joe has serious miles on the clock and is still the most consistent out there.

It seems a lifetime ago the controversy at club level against Loughrea in 2006.

Mad to think that they let him play senior club at 15 and he's still going. Talk about flogging a young lad.

castletownman

C__MC wrote: »

Canning probably gets more plaudits as he has been the main cog in galway hurling since 08

People only really appreciating TJ since 2015 , prior to this kilkenny were star studded

And yet Richie Hogan could break onto that star-studded team before TJ did, in the forwards too no less.

I would say Richie and Canning were more prodigious, but Reid worked hard on the basic aspects of the game to become what he is today.

Richie Hogan was added to the panel for the 2007 all ireland , Reid was all ready there i say due to a family bereavment which knocked him back for dead the whole family he might have made his mark earlier. He came on the 2008 all ireland scored four points. You must remember TJ got a serious injury in the all ireland 2012 which it took him nearly a year to get back to full fitness.

breezy1985

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

This Canning v Reid debate is going around in circles. For me they are both true greats of the game. And i don't say that lightly. Does it really matter who is better? I really don't think it does. It has been a pleasure to watch both in action down through the years and their legacies will live long after their gone.

Answer:Aaron Gillane

Girly Gal

breezy1985 wrote: »

Answer:Aaron Gillane

Lol

formerlyET

Girly Gal wrote: »

Lol

Lol doubled

Swamp_Cat

Congrats to Kildare and Donegal. Both matches today were entertaining. Certainly more than the circular TJ v Canning debate here. ;-)

Grats

Swamp_Cat wrote: »

Congrats to Kildare and Donegal. Both matches today were entertaining. Certainly more than the circular TJ v Canning debate here. ;-)

Isn't David Herity manager of Kildare?

Grats

Grats wrote: »

Isn't David Herity manager of Kildare?

Correct he is.

Swamp_Cat

Grats wrote: »

Isn't David Herity manager of Kildare?

Yep. 3 senior managers & Henry's success w/Ballyhale is pretty impressive from one team.

cave_dweller

Glad to see Donal Og call out Brian Colcannon's movement. He's been excellent for Galway this year and looks a serious player. As a Limerick fan, Finn will take Whelan but I'd be worried about Colcannon and how we'll fair with him next Sunday.

breezy1985

cave_dweller wrote: »

Glad to see Donal Og call out Brian Colcannon's movement. He's been excellent for Galway this year and looks a serious player. As a Limerick fan, Finn will take Whelan but I'd be worried about Colcannon and how we'll fair with him next Sunday.

The speed and movement of Corks forwards always gives us trouble and I could definitely see a few goals from Galway. But if we have a bit of discipline and not give Canning frees we should still outscore them

Rasputin11

A big feather in Herritys cap, Offaly invested heavily in Fennelly and Kelly, they'd have expected to win it quite comfortably. Are some of the Kildare underage hurling clubs still playing a bit of league in Kilkenny?

terryrogers

Very unfair of the Sunday game having a pop at Johnny Murphy and asking him to come out and explain his decisions publicly, he had an excellent game yesterday. Barrett got away with a helmet strike earlier in the game anyway IIRC (probably got away with it due to being soon after his first yellow) so he can't have any complaints.

A bit rich out of Sheedy to be moaning about having a Limerick too, does he not remember that Fergal Horgan reffed the Clare Limerick game prior to the winner facing Tipp in the Munster semi? Take your beating.

C__MC

terryrogers wrote: »

Very unfair of the Sunday game having a pop at Johnny Murphy and asking him to come out and explain his decisions publicly, he had an excellent game yesterday. Barrett got away with a helmet strike earlier in the game anyway IIRC (probably got away with it due to being soon after his first yellow) so he can't have any complaints.

A bit rich out of Sheedy to be moaning about having a Limerick too, does he not remember that Fergal Horgan reffed the Clare Limerick game prior to the winner facing Tipp in the Munster semi? Take your beating.

Although I like sheedy he has always been a sore looser

DVDM93

terryrogers wrote: »

Very unfair of the Sunday game having a pop at Johnny Murphy and asking him to come out and explain his decisions publicly, he had an excellent game yesterday. Barrett got away with a helmet strike earlier in the game anyway IIRC (probably got away with it due to being soon after his first yellow) so he can't have any complaints.

A bit rich out of Sheedy to be moaning about having a Limerick too, does he not remember that Fergal Horgan reffed the Clare Limerick game prior to the winner facing Tipp in the Munster semi? Take your beating.

What happened or what was said?

I'll be watching it tomorrow but I'm intrigued.

Anything said about Cassidy or Deegan's refereeing performances today?

Murphy was excellent yesterday imo, if anything he favoured Tipp for the 50/50 calls.

As for Sheedy, embarrassing.

breezy1985

DVDM93 wrote: »

What happened or what was said?

I'll be watching it tomorrow but I'm intrigued.

Anything said about Cassidy or Deegan's refereeing performances today?

Murphy was excellent yesterday imo, if anything he favoured Tipp for the 50/50 calls.

As for Sheedy, embarrassing.

Final Of thinks ref should have to publicly explain their decisions after a game. Sheedy is great but he always has a touch of the Davy about him too with his comments and jumping about the place

DVDM93

breezy1985 wrote: »

Final Of thinks ref should have to publicly explain their decisions after a game. Sheedy is great but he always has a touch of the Davy about him too with his comments and jumping about the place

Well for the likes of Cassidy today I wouldn't be totally against it as it was borderline criminal.

Deegan was bad, but not as bad as Cassidy.

Murphy was grand compared to both.

I'm just confused as it seems that Murphy has been singled out here by TSG where as Cassidy & Deegan are getting away scot-free.

formerlyET

terryrogers wrote: »

Very unfair of the Sunday game having a pop at Johnny Murphy and asking him to come out and explain his decisions publicly, he had an excellent game yesterday. Barrett got away with a helmet strike earlier in the game anyway IIRC (probably got away with it due to being soon after his first yellow) so he can't have any complaints.

A bit rich out of Sheedy to be moaning about having a Limerick too, does he not remember that Fergal Horgan reffed the Clare Limerick game prior to the winner facing Tipp in the Munster semi? Take your beating.

Complete absence of logic here.

What has Fergal Horgan got to do with Sheedy? That's for the other managers involved.
He wasn't moaning about it. Twice Sheedy's Tipp has been involved in games with refs from a county with a team still in it and twice a tipp player has been wrongly sent off.

They never asked him to come out and explain the decision. Donal Og Cusack made a point about referee's explaining decisions after a game. He also pointed out, that the point was not on whether he made a mistake or not.

Grats

terryrogers wrote: »

Very unfair of the Sunday game having a pop at Johnny Murphy and asking him to come out and explain his decisions publicly, he had an excellent game yesterday. Barrett got away with a helmet strike earlier in the game anyway IIRC (probably got away with it due to being soon after his first yellow) so he can't have any complaints.

A bit rich out of Sheedy to be moaning about having a Limerick too, does he not remember that Fergal Horgan reffed the Clare Limerick game prior to the winner facing Tipp in the Munster semi? Take your beating.

Very true. I think Sheedy took on Davy's deflection tactics. Sheedy failed in a number of areas during the campaign but obviously he'd rather divert attention from them by his embarrassing comments about the ref. For instance why did he bring on Bubbles against Limerick, yet he says yesterday Bubbles wasn't fit this summer due in injury. He looked on as two of his full back line had yellow cards and under ferocious pressure. The inevitable was bound to happen. He also played a number of players who were clearly struggling with fitness.

Man up Liam and stop embarrassing yourself.

formerlyET

DVDM93 wrote: »

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As for Sheedy, embarrassing.

What was?

formerlyET

Grats wrote: »

Very true. I think Sheedy took on Davy's deflection tactics. Sheedy failed in a number of areas during the campaign but obviously he'd rather divert attention from them by his embarrassing comments about the ref. For instance why did he bring on Bubbles against Limerick, yet he says yesterday Bubbles wasn't fit this summer due in injury. He looked on as two of his full back line had yellow cards and under ferocious pressure. The inevitable was bound to happen. He also played a number of players who were clearly struggling with fitness.

Man up Liam and stop embarrassing yourself.

How did he do that? WHat comments?

Grats

formerlyET wrote: »

How did he do that? WHat comments?

Why are you disagreeing with everything if you haven't read them.

formerlyET

This is what Sheedy said - complete representation on here:

“It’s not sour grapes in any shape or form and I do not want to take away from Galway but I do think a little bit of understanding and not trying to compromise people and put them in positions where various counties are still left in the championship it just makes things a little bit trickier. I want to be very clear - the best team won on the day, Galway deserved to win through to the All-Ireland semi-final."

Grats

formerlyET wrote: »

This is what Sheedy said - complete representation on here:

“It’s not sour grapes in any shape or form and I do not want to take away from Galway but I do think a little bit of understanding and not trying to compromise people and put them in positions where various counties are still left in the championship it just makes things a little bit trickier. I want to be very clear - the best team won on the day, Galway deserved to win through to the All-Ireland semi-final."

You must only get a condensed form of the newspaper in your area.

formerlyET

Grats wrote: »

You must only get a condensed form of the newspaper in your area.

Yeah, just what I thought. You've got nothing. Only trouble making. Nonsense.

washman3

terryrogers wrote: »

Very unfair of the Sunday game having a pop at Johnny Murphy and asking him to come out and explain his decisions publicly, he had an excellent game yesterday. Barrett got away with a helmet strike earlier in the game anyway IIRC (probably got away with it due to being soon after his first yellow) so he can't have any complaints.

A bit rich out of Sheedy to be moaning about having a Limerick too, does he not remember that Fergal Horgan reffed the Clare Limerick game prior to the winner facing Tipp in the Munster semi? Take your beating.

Absolutely agree. Thought Johnny Murphy had a fine game yesterday in difficult circumstances.
Disgraceful 2 comments from Donal Og, firstly saying Murphy should come out and explain why Barrett got 2 yellows and secondly why a Limerick ref was appointed when Limerick are still involved in the championship.

Remember that it was Johnny Murphy acting as linesman in last years final that advised the ref on the high/late tackle by Richie Hogan ironically on Barrett. No qualms from Sheedy back then.
Donal Og should be asked why he gave a character witness for a convicted child sex offender and yet remains a pundit on RTE.

That might soften his cough a bit.

DVDM93

formerlyET wrote: »

What was?

https://twitter.com/JohnFogartyIrl/status/1330170431291219971?s=20

It's funny, he had no problem when a Tipp ref was appointed for the Clare-Limerick game this year with the winners to play Tipp.

Besides, I'm sure as a Limerick man, if Murphy was biased, he'd want to favour Tipp in order to play them again rather than play Galway.

Sure Limerick hammered Tipp already this year, I'm sure they would have loved to see them again.

Grats

formerlyET wrote: »

Yeah, just what I thought. You've got nothing. Only trouble making. Nonsense.

You selectively quoted a tiny piece from Sheedy's embarrassing comments, and you know it. The majority of onlookers know what he inferred and don't like it.

Grats

DVDM93 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JohnFogartyIrl/status/1330170431291219971?s=20

It's funny, he had no problem when a Tipp ref was appointed for the Clare-Limerick game this year with the winners to play Tipp.

Besides, I'm sure as a Limerick man, if Murphy was biased, he'd want to favour Tipp in order to play them again rather than play Galway.

Sure Limerick hammered Tipp already this year, I'm sure they would have loved to see them again.

That's it in a nutshell. As I posted already, Sheedy is just deflecting from his own glaring shortcomings.

formerlyET

Grats wrote: »

You selectively quoted a tiny piece from Sheedy's embarrassing comments, and you know it. The majority of onlookers know what he inferred and don't like it.

You were asked for evidence and you provided none? I did.

formerlyET

DVDM93 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JohnFogartyIrl/status/1330170431291219971?s=20

It's funny, he had no problem when a Tipp ref was appointed for the Clare-Limerick game this year with the winners to play Tipp.

Besides, I'm sure as a Limerick man, if Murphy was biased, he'd want to favour Tipp in order to play them again rather than play Galway.

Sure Limerick hammered Tipp already this year, I'm sure they would have loved to see them again.

Why would Sheedy talk about a game he is not involved in?

Grats

washman3 wrote: »

Absolutely agree. Thought Johnny Murphy had a fine game yesterday in difficult circumstances.
Disgraceful 2 comments from Donal Og, firstly saying Murphy should come out and explain why Barrett got 2 yellows and secondly why a Limerick ref was appointed when Limerick are still involved in the championship.

Remember that it was Johnny Murphy acting as linesman in last years final that advised the ref on the high/late tackle by Richie Hogan ironically on Barrett. No qualms from Sheedy back then.
Donal Og should be asked why he gave a character witness for a convicted child sex offender and yet remains a pundit on RTE.

That might soften his cough a bit.

It was embarrassing enough for Sheedy besides Cusack adding to it for both of them.

Grats

formerlyET wrote: »

You were asked for evidence and you provided none? I did.

If you only have a portion of the interview, read the rest online and come back.

Asdfgh2020

Donal Og should be asked why he gave a character witness for a convicted child sex offender and yet remains a pundit on RTE.

That might soften his cough a bit.[/QUOTE]

Washman3.........

I’m not a major donal og fan but I think you have over stepped the mark with your reference above.

cave_dweller

formerlyET wrote: »

This is what Sheedy said - complete representation on here:

“It’s not sour grapes in any shape or form and I do not want to take away from Galway but I do think a little bit of understanding and not trying to compromise people and put them in positions where various counties are still left in the championship it just makes things a little bit trickier. I want to be very clear - the best team won on the day, Galway deserved to win through to the All-Ireland semi-final."

That is only a portion of what he said but no matter... why would Sheedy say that if it had no impact? The fact that Sheedy mentioned it means he's questioning Murphy's character and believes something compromising could have happened. It's very bad form from him and he should be pulled for it. The Limerick and Clare game was refereed by a Tipp man and when playing Limerick the ref missed a pick off the ground and thrown ball from Tipp. It's a diversion tactic to take away from Barrett's brain fart to get himself sent off for a completely stupid tackle. Also, Sheedy should have changed the defence around or made subs to not put a corner back on a yellow in that situation. But let's put the spotlight on Murphy to hide Tipperary's failings :rolleyes:

terryrogers

DVDM93 wrote: »

Well for the likes of Cassidy today I wouldn't be totally against it as it was borderline criminal.

Deegan was bad, but not as bad as Cassidy.

Murphy was grand compared to both.

I'm just confused as it seems that Murphy has been singled out here by TSG where as Cassidy & Deegan are getting away scot-free.

Cooper and Kavanagh were the football panellists and were largely positive in their analysis. They spoke mainly about Tipps/Cavans great displays and didn't really criticise the losing teams or referees.

Donal 'ultra negative' Og on the other hand loves sticking the boot in to referees, I'd love to see him throw on the black jersey and give it a shot. I remember listening to him commentating on Radio 1 a few years ago and spending most of the game ridiculing Brian Gavin, even calling him overweight. I wouldn't mind but it was a great game that he made sound awful. Total earache of a commentator/pundit.

formerlyET

cave_dweller wrote: »

That is only a portion of what he said but no matter... why would Sheedy say that if it had no impact? The fact that Sheedy mentioned it means he's questioning Murphy's character and believes something compromising could have happened. It's very bad form from him and he should be pulled for it. The Limerick and Clare game was refereed by a Tipp man and when playing Limerick the ref missed a pick off the ground and thrown ball from Tipp. It's a diversion tactic to take away from Barrett's brain fart to get himself sent off for a completely stupid tackle. Also, Sheedy should have changed the defence around or made subs to not put a corner back on a yellow in that situation. But let's put the spotlight on Murphy to hide Tipperary's failings :rolleyes:

Really? That's it, is it? hahaha

There's a serious issue here. People asked questions about the appointment for the Wexford/Tipp game too. It's happening too often and needs to be addressed.

h2005

This reads like something Rudy Giulani would come out with. Are you casting aspersions on the ref?

formerlyET

h2005 wrote: »

This reads like something Rudy Giulani would come out with. Are you casting aspersions on the ref?

No, I'm pointing out how you can read anything into anything. Including drawing ridiculous conclusions about what Liam Sheedy was saying and wasn't saying.

And, I'm also saying Liam Sheedy can question appointments of refs from counties still involved in the competition without questioning Galway's victory or a ref. He is pointing at the practice - he has faced it twice in two years.

I'm also pointing out that Limerick GAA is being investigated on numerous levels - that's just a fact.

cave_dweller

You'll have plenty of time to Google some more stuff over the next few days and weeks anyway... Limerick and Galway will focus on their hurling ;)

formerlyET

cave_dweller wrote: »

You'll have plenty of time to Google some more stuff over the next few days and weeks anyway... Limerick and Galway will focus on their hurling ;)

Best of luck to both of them. Very good teams.

And their GAA boards also be facing investigations - both counties. Don't think the Galway one is finished either.

terryrogers

formerlyET wrote: »

No, I'm pointing out how you can read anything into anything. Including drawing ridiculous conclusions about what Liam Sheedy was saying and wasn't saying.

And, I'm also saying Liam Sheedy can question appointments of refs from counties still involved in the competition without questioning Galway's victory or a ref. He is pointing at the practice - he has faced it twice in two years.

I'm also pointing out that Limerick GAA is being investigated on numerous levels - that's just a fact.

But why didn't he question the appointment of a Tipp referee for the match that decided who Tipp faced in the Munster semi. Why wait until Tipp are knocked out to air his views on this practice, or why didn't he mention it after last year's All Ireland? And at what point of the championship is it not okay for a referee to officiate if their county is still in the championship? Maybe he thinks Paid O'Dwyer & John Keenan should have reffed every game this year :-)

formerlyET

terryrogers wrote: »

But why didn't he question the appointment of a Tipp referee for the match that decided who Tipp faced in the Munster semi. Why wait until Tipp are knocked out to air his views on this practice, or why didn't he mention it after last year's All Ireland? And at what point of the championship is it not okay for a referee to officiate if their county is still in the championship? Maybe he thinks Paid O'Dwyer & John Keenan should have reffed every game this year :-)

Read that back to yourself. I've already responded to that numerous times in posts.

terryrogers

formerlyET wrote: »

Read that back to yourself. I've already responded to that numerous times in posts.

No you haven't, I'll ask again... Why wait until Tipp are knocked out to air his views on referee appointments, or why didn't he mention it after last year's All Ireland? And at what point of the championship is it not okay for a referee to officiate if their county is still in the championship?

breezy1985

That Limerick stuff is about Gardai possibly getting cases dropped for Limerick GAA players.


It has nothing to do with corruption in the GAA involving matches or match fixing as you make it look and your post is slanderous muck

washman3

formerlyET wrote: »

Best of luck to both of them. Very good teams.

And their GAA boards also be facing investigations - both counties. Don't think the Galway one is finished either.

A very serious investigation, international in fact, will very likely take place soon regarding the Tipp sponsor Teneo and its's CEO/Boss who happens to be a brother of a North Tipp TD, if you want to go down that road....
Just saying like...;);)