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galwaytt

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Unless you are working on a farm and it is your only source of income it should be shut down.


No person "needs" to live in a specific area unless for work. People would like to live in an area. Thats a huge difference

No, just plain No.

I shouldn't 'have' to live 30 miles from work just because it offends your sensibilities.

Once I meet the PP guidelines, then you have no place dictating where I live any more than you do my choice of car, hair colour, or dentist.

It is, frankly, none of your business.

I'd go further: that fact I'm housing myself, at my own expense including in my case providing my own water and septic facilities, so and no burden on either the State or Local Authority then frankly you should be thanking me. You can have 'my' spot in the whatever-spot-you-think-I-should-live-in instead.

You're welcome.

Fred_

galwaytt wrote: »

No, just plain No.

I shouldn't 'have' to live 30 miles from work just because it offends your sensibilities.

Once I meet the PP guidelines, then you have no place dictating where I live any more than you do my choice of car, hair colour, or dentist.

It is, frankly, none of your business.

I'd go further: that fact I'm housing myself, at my own expense including in my case providing my own water and septic facilities, so and no burden on either the State or Local Authority then frankly you should be thanking me. You can have 'my' spot in the whatever-spot-you-think-I-should-live-in instead.

You're welcome.

Can you provide your own postal, electricity and emergency services without placing a burden on the state or local authorities?

JoeA3

JoeA3 wrote: »

Yes I have, thankfully I did get it but it wasn't easy, its a painful, stressful process, not to mention expensive.

My point is, I couldn't just live anywhere I want. I got planning permission because I qualified under the "local needs" rule, which in itself is quite a farcical rule but at least it does help prevent over-development. It did limit me to building in a very specific area, I couldn't just buy a site and build anywhere I fancied.

A lot of the people wanting to live rurally are people wanting to live in their home areas though and that’s what I was really referring to in my post. I’m not too bothered about people moving to an area etc being able to build but the likes of you and I who are from an area should always be able to build. I’d have even stronger local needs with a family farm which I’ll be running in future etc but even I am getting a bit antsy about what the greens might try to bring in and I am still month or so away from submitting my planning application due to covid delays.

Fred_ wrote: »

Can you provide your own postal, electricity and emergency services without placing a burden on the state or local authorities?

These services are required in rural areas regardless, the less people you have living rurally the less people you have contributing to them from their taxes. Also in most rural areas water is either a well of a group water scheme both of which are paid for unlike those in cities who refused, as is sewage and many other things provided to those in cities. People living rurally more than pay their way, much more than a lot of those in cities that you can be sure.

Shefwedfan

galwaytt wrote: »

No, just plain No.

I shouldn't 'have' to live 30 miles from work just because it offends your sensibilities.

Once I meet the PP guidelines, then you have no place dictating where I live any more than you do my choice of car, hair colour, or dentist.

It is, frankly, none of your business.

I'd go further: that fact I'm housing myself, at my own expense including in my case providing my own water and septic facilities, so and no burden on either the State or Local Authority then frankly you should be thanking me. You can have 'my' spot in the whatever-spot-you-think-I-should-live-in instead.

You're welcome.

One off housing is ruining the countryside. God awful houses build and polluting everywhere.



One of ireland main attactions is the beautiful landscape, a landscape full of stupid houses is not what I want my kids to have to look at in the future.

Unfortuneatly yes the government will have to dictate where people live. Planning permission will have to shut loop holes.

As soon as people built their awful house in middle on nowhere, next thing they are onto the school asking why little Jonnie cant get the bus, why the road to nowhere has a pothole in it and why it isnt fixed. Why they cant get BB similar to living in the middle of Dublin.....and it goes on and on and on and on with complaints. All because they wanted a stupid big house which they can't pay now to heat and complain because the cost of heating is increasing.....

It doesn't come down to if you can afford it to be honest, it comes down to what is good for Ireland and for our children. Simple as that

Shefwedfan

Fred_ wrote: »

Can you provide your own postal, electricity and emergency services without placing a burden on the state or local authorities?

That just the start, roads, BB, schools, etc....


If they can, off they go. If not then they shoudl pay additional tax to cover it. If they want to build one off house, bang away. I aint paying for it anymore;)

cgcsb

galwaytt wrote: »

No, just plain No.

I shouldn't 'have' to live 30 miles from work just because it offends your sensibilities.

Once I meet the PP guidelines, then you have no place dictating where I live any more than you do my choice of car, hair colour, or dentist.

It is, frankly, none of your business.

I'd go further: that fact I'm housing myself, at my own expense including in my case providing my own water and septic facilities, so and no burden on either the State or Local Authority then frankly you should be thanking me. You can have 'my' spot in the whatever-spot-you-think-I-should-live-in instead.

You're welcome.

If your work is close to you, I don't think there's a planning argument against that. Obviously people employed in agriculture or forestry often have to live in rural areas.

Having a septic tank is not a good thing, nor is depending on imported tanked heating oil delivered by truck, nor is requiring many km of paved road to service your home compared to urban areas where 1km of paved road serves thousands of individuals. Nor is requiring many km of electricity cable and fibre broadband for the same reason as the road, Nor is the fact that you require the use of a personal vehicle for almost every single journey you'll make in a lifetime.

The state can of course dictate what areas are suitable for housing and which aren't. This is the case all over Europe. Ireland has a serious problem with one off housing because it was never restricted and this gives rise to all sorts of social problems; stretched services (many billions for rural broadband, closure of small business/post offices etc. for example), depressed teenagers with under developed social skills and lonely old folks, pollution from the 1 million septic tanks, over-reliance on cars, visual blight of the landscape, abandonment of villages and small towns and of course a complete collapse of community.

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

One off housing is ruining the countryside. God awful houses build and polluting everywhere.



One of ireland main attactions is the beautiful landscape, a landscape full of stupid houses is not what I want my kids to have to look at in the future.

Unfortuneatly yes the government will have to dictate where people live. Planning permission will have to shut loop holes.

Some serious hyperbole being thrown around.

Firstly the country side is not some amenity for those living in cities to visit once a month and admire, its a living community with families and neighbours etc. The arrogance is astounding that you think you should be able to dictate to people you can't build there as I want to look at a field on my few hours visit.

Its also nonsense of course, only a very very small area of land in the country side is taken up with housing and in most areas you wouldn't see a tourist from one end of the year to the next anyway so what, just have a empty soulless place with no one living there or families not being able to live near home and each other etc.

Also I can only assume your constant reference to "god awful houses" is jealously of the highest order. You are stuck living in a boring estate house, too small and just like the other 100 beside you with a garden the size of a coffee table and you simply want others to be forced into the same situation. The vast majority of one off houses are well planned and designed and are in general very nice to look at, far better built than anything in a city and new houses are exceptionally energy efficient.

cgcsb wrote: »

Having a septic tank is not a good thing, nor is depending on imported tanked heating oil delivered by truck, nor is requiring many km of paved road to service your home compared to urban areas where 1km of paved road serves thousands of individuals. Nor is requiring many km of electricity cable and fibre broadband for the same reason as the road, Nor is the fact that you require the use of a personal vehicle for almost every single journey you'll make in a lifetime.

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All of which are required in rural areas regardless of how many live there. Our farm and houses owned by my family are at the end of a dead end road. The road has to be maintained, electricity lines and BB have to be run to the farm etc so if there were none of the other 15 houses or so on the road it would change nothing expect there would be less people benefitting from the infrastructure and therefore less contributing to it.

Also new houses are not using oil for heating, my house wont even have a chimney.

Fred_

Alejandra Square Taurus wrote: »

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These services are required in rural areas regardless, the less people you have living rurally the less people you have contributing to them from their taxes. Also in most rural areas water is either a well of a group water scheme both of which are paid for unlike those in cities who refused, as is sewage and many other things provided to those in cities. People living rurally more than pay their way, much more than a lot of those in cities that you can be sure.

Of course the services are required. But we should be delivering them to clusters of houses, not to remote one off houses.

Forget about the rural versus urban nonsense. Its more efficient to deliver a service to a cluster of houses. The efficiencies could then be used to provide a better service for all. No one should be using a group water scheme.

And not all in urban areas refused to pay for water.

Fred_

Alejandra Square Taurus wrote: »

The arrogance is astounding that you think you should be able to dictate to people you can't build there

Right back at you.

ml100

Shefwedfan wrote: »

That just the start, roads, BB, schools, etc....


If they can, off they go. If not then they shoudl pay additional tax to cover it. If they want to build one off house, bang away. I aint paying for it anymore;)

So, when I build my house that I recently got planning permission for I will pay for a well to provide my water, I will pay for a septic treatment system, I will pay the esb for mine electrical connection and the same for phone company, If I want the surface repaired or replaced on the council lane I will have to pay the council, I will also have to pay the council 15k development levy, do you see a common theme here, I will pay..... now if the high number of free loaders in this country would also pay their way instead of looking for 'me house' from the council that my taxes will pay for then maybe I'll listen to their opinion, until then I'll enjoy my separation from them.

Fred_

ml100 wrote: »

So, when I build my house that I recently got planning permission for I will pay for a well to provide my water, I will pay for a septic treatment system, I will pay the esb for mine electrical connection and the same for phone company, If I want the surface repaired or replaced on the council lane I will have to pay the council, I will also have to pay the council 15k development levy, do you see a common theme here, I will pay..... now if the high number of free loaders in this country would also pay their way instead of looking for 'me house' from the council that my taxes will pay for then maybe I'll listen to their opinion, until then I'll enjoy my separation from them.

Again.... Will you pay for the postal and emergency services to your one of house?
And multiply that extra cost for providing the services to all the other people who seem to think they have a divine right to live wherever they want.

Fred_

Fred_ wrote: »

Of course the services are required. But we should be delivering them to clusters of houses, not to remote one off houses.

Forget about the rural versus urban nonsense. Its more efficient to deliver a service to a cluster of houses. The efficiencies could then be used to provide a better service for all.

You dont get it, these services have to be provided to farms all over the country side, pretty much every one off house built just taps off the electricity infrastructure already passing the site going to a nearby farm, all the roads have to be maintained for access to farms, farms need high speed broadband etc.

Fred_ wrote: »

No one should be using a group water scheme.
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Why not, far far better than any water supply provided by the government and we are happy to pay for it. Multiple issues with water quality in local towns and cities never happened in our scheme etc.

Idbatterim

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

God help us all. We have two old diesel cars because that's all we can afford. Talk of spending 20k plus on an electric car is pure fantasy for us. Think he will eventually force people like us out of work because we won't be able to commute to work.

How? There likely wont be any noticeable motor tax increases on cars , if there is, it will be inconsequential. They should hike mt on new cars that use petrol and particularly diesel.

ml100

Fred_ wrote: »

Again.... Will you pay for the postal and emergency services to your one of house?

They can call in on there way to the other 5 houses on the lane, most rural one off houses a built close to other houses where these facilities are already needed, can you tell me who pays for the emergency services for the council housing estate in the local village I can tell you it's not the residents. Rural living is not for everyone but it should be an option.

I think the councils should focus on the quality of the house design, at the moment once you tick the local needs boxes they seem to allow any eyesore to be built.

Fred_

Alejandra Square Taurus wrote: »

You dont get it, these services have to be provided to farms all over the country side, pretty much every one off house built just taps off the electricity infrastructure already passing the site going to a nearby farm, all the roads have to be maintained for access to farms, farms need high speed broadband etc.

Here are some questions for you.
1. Is it more efficient to provide a service to a cluster of houses in close proximity as opposed to geographically spread houses?
2. If yes consider this across the whole of Ireland. Could the greater efficiencies be used to provide a better service for all?

Shefwedfan

Alejandra Square Taurus wrote: »

Some serious hyperbole being thrown around.

Firstly the country side is not some amenity for those living in cities to visit once a month and admire, its a living community with families and neighbours etc. The arrogance is astounding that you think you should be able to dictate to people you can't build there as I want to look at a field on my few hours visit.

So I want to protect the countryside and I am arrogant?

So you think it is just available so you can go build a house on it? Is that not arrogant?

Alejandra Square Taurus wrote: »

SIts also nonsense of course, only a very very small area of land in the country side is taken up with housing and in most areas you wouldn't see a tourist from one end of the year to the next anyway so what, just have a empty soulless place with no one living there or families not being able to live near home and each other etc.

Also I can only assume your constant reference to "god awful houses" is jealously of the highest order. You are stuck living in a boring estate house, too small and just like the other 100 beside you with a garden the size of a coffee table and you simply want others to be forced into the same situation. The vast majority of one off houses are well planned and designed and are in general very nice to look at, far better built than anything in a city and new houses are exceptionally energy efficient.

The God awful houses are a good description, take a google of the ugliest houses in Ireland.

I know you probably think your house is lovely, most other people will look at it as awful. So problem is when you kick the bucket not even your children will want it and it will go to ruins.

Alejandra Square Taurus wrote: »

All of which are required in rural areas regardless of how many live there. Our farm and houses owned by my family are at the end of a dead end road. The road has to be maintained, electricity lines and BB have to be run to the farm etc so if there were none of the other 15 houses or so on the road it would change nothing expect there would be less people benefitting from the infrastructure and therefore less contributing to it.

Also new houses are not using oil for heating, my house wont even have a chimney.

Just because you dont have a chimney doesnt mean the house is too big and not fit for purpose. Sticking in a heat pump and then spending thousands on electricity trying to keep a heat pumop going to heat a monstrosity is not good for the environment. You do realize that?

kona

What the **** has all this ****e got to do with motors or that salad muncher?

galwaytt

Fred_ wrote: »

Can you provide your own postal, electricity and emergency services without placing a burden on the state or local authorities?

They're not free, I pay for them.

Do you ?

Shefwedfan

Alejandra Square Taurus wrote: »

You dont get it, these services have to be provided to farms all over the country side, pretty much every one off house built just taps off the electricity infrastructure already passing the site going to a nearby farm, all the roads have to be maintained for access to farms, farms need high speed broadband etc.

The days of thousands of small farms are long gone, you now have large farms, which are growing larger and larger and larger. They are now companies and saying electricity lines are running down every backwater to connect a farm is not true. In reality the farm will be along a main road because of the access for large vehicles. Not even tractors but huge trucks for milk, deliver food etc

Alejandra Square Taurus wrote: »

Why not, far far better than any water supply provided by the government and we are happy to pay for it. Multiple issues with water quality in local towns and cities never happened in our scheme etc.

I think your talking BS now.....most local water scheme have huge issues with water quality. Installation of water cleaning in houses, buying water in shops etc to get around this.


If you are saying you have no issues with your own water scheme I think you will find you are one of the few in Ireland

cgcsb

Alejandra Square Taurus wrote: »

The arrogance is astounding that you think you should be able to dictate to people you can't build there as I want to look at a field on my few hours visit.

This isn't arrogance it's standard planning practice in the developed world.

Alejandra Square Taurus wrote: »

All of which are required in rural areas regardless of how many live there. Our farm and houses owned by my family are at the end of a dead end road. The road has to be maintained, electricity lines and BB have to be run to the farm etc so if there were none of the other 15 houses or so on the road it would change nothing expect there would be less people benefitting from the infrastructure and therefore less contributing to it.

Also new houses are not using oil for heating, my house wont even have a chimney.

This isn't true, new services were added to rural roads as people moved there when car ownership became common. The reverse of this is also possible, Boreens in Donegal and Mayo have already been returned to nature after the last person living on them died/left and are no longer maintained. There is plenty of examples of this.

Shefwedfan

kona wrote: »

What the **** has all this ****e got to do with motors or that salad muncher?

THe discussion was public transport


Building one off house all over Ireland means public transport is less effective as you need people to travel in a car to get it.



It is all part of a mindset change in Ireland, move people back to villages/town and then support those villages with public transport.

galwaytt

kona wrote: »

What the **** has all this ****e got to do with motors or that salad muncher?

ER has that effect on people. This thread is proof that he's basically toxic (sic) to public discourse.

cgcsb

galwaytt wrote: »

They're not free, I pay for them.

:pac::pac::pac: How many KM of road do you think your taxes can maintain a year?

Shefwedfan

galwaytt wrote: »

ER has that effect on people. This thread is proof that he's basically toxic (sic) to public discourse.

Not really, its shows the fear of change in people.



Anything different and Irish people seem to lose their s**t.



Look at all the threads and fear factor over electric cars which is just a fuel, nothing else.

Fred_

Fred_ wrote: »

Here are some questions for you.
1. Is it more efficient to provide a service to a cluster of houses in close proximity as opposed to geographically spread houses?
2. If yes consider this across the whole of Ireland. Could the greater efficiencies be used to provide a better service for all?

It will depend on the situation, there is already very good infrastructure in rural ireland for water, electricity and BB will be soon (in places its not already) so tapping off to new houses here is very efficient. However I'm not really bothered if it's less efficient to live rurally that should not dictate anything.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So you think it is just available so you can go build a house on it? Is that not arrogant?

Well since I own the land it is available for me to build on yes, it is a very small fraction of the land we own never mind the land in the area and it is keeping people in the area, keeping the community alive, providing employment in the area etc.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I know you probably think your house is lovely, most other people will look at it as awful. So problem is when you kick the bucket not even your children will want it and it will go to ruins.

It is lovely, a lot of time and effort has gone into it with our architect, I have got nothing but exceptionally positive feedback from anyone who has seen the plans and elevations. You are in dream land if you think most people are not building very nice houses.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Just because you dont have a chimney doesnt mean the house is too big and not fit for purpose. Sticking in a heat pump and then spending thousands on electricity trying to keep a heat pumop going to heat a monstrosity is not good for the environment. You do realize that?

You don't know much about modern houses do you? I will not be spending thousands on electricity I will be spending very little due to the house being highly efficient. I will also have considerable generating power of my own with solar PV.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The days of thousands of small farms are long gone, you now have large farms, which are growing larger and larger and larger. They are now companies and saying electricity lines are running down every backwater to connect a farm is not true. In reality the farm will be along a main road because of the access for large vehicles. Not even tractors but huge trucks for milk, deliver food etc

You dont visit the country side very often do you? Aside from some large farms in the east and to a lesser extent in the south the vast majority of farms in ireland are small farms. So yes here are still thousands and thousands of small farms in Ireland ours and 3 neighbours being the same, there is no large farm for many many miles of where I live loads of small ones, most are up narrow roads ours being just wide enough to get in heavy machinery.

So you haven't even the smallest clue what you are talking about and you have clearly proved it with the above paragraph.

Truthvader

Shefwedfan wrote: »

He probably is one of those people standing out in rain for 40 mins and then wonders why everyone arrives just as the bus shows up.....:-)

Actually one of those people with a car so I go to where I want when I want rather than waiting 40 minutes on the grace and favour of CIE on the off chance that they might show up to get deposited wherever CIE think I might like to go

Shefwedfan

Alejandra Square Taurus wrote: »

Well since I own the land it is available for me to build on yes, it is a very small fraction of the land we own never mind the land in the area and it is keeping people in the area, keeping the community alive, providing employment in the area etc.

I own land, I dont feel the need to build a house on it. Its not keeping the community alive by the way.

Building a house or renovating a house in a village is not creating employment? in reality the regenration of villages with houses and propoer public transport creates more job that a one off house.

Alejandra Square Taurus wrote: »

It is lovely, a lot of time and effort has gone into it with our architect, I have got nothing but exceptionally positive feedback from anyone who has seen the plans and elevations. You are in dream land if you think most people are not building very nice houses.

You think it is lovely. Do you really think people are going to walk up to you and tell you that the house is horrible?

You do realize all architect have a set of plans they share around, they use that as a base and then tell the person they have created an adhoc building for them :-) I bet he has spend "days" on your plans.....

As I said google it, look at daft and you see them all over Ireland

Alejandra Square Taurus wrote: »

You don't know much about modern houses do you? I will not be spending thousands on electricity I will be spending very little due to the house being highly efficient. I will also have considerable generating power of my own with solar PV.

I have solar PV, every house built in Dublin now has PV as standard

You would be surprised what I know about modern housing and energy efficiency

If you house is big one off build, dont kid yourself on what you will need to heat it. The old I build an energy-efficient house, in reality most house in Ireland are nowhere near what other countries build.

Alejandra Square Taurus wrote: »

ou dont visit the country side very often do you? Aside from some large farms in the east and to a lesser extent in the south the vast majority of farms in ireland are small farms. So yes here are still thousands and thousands of small farms in Ireland ours and 3 neighbours being the same, there is no large farm for many many miles of where I live loads of small ones, most are up narrow roads ours being just wide enough to get in heavy machinery.

So you haven't even the smallest clue what you are talking about and you have clearly proved it with the above paragraph.

I live in countryside, all my family lives in it. So I know exactly all about countryside living and I know all about farming. Thanks for asking

galwaytt

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Not really, its shows the fear of change in people.



Anything different and Irish people seem to lose their s**t.



Look at all the threads and fear factor over electric cars which is just a fuel, nothing else.

It's not. I love petrol. And diesel. And 2-strokes. I see no reason to not welcome EV/BEV/PHEV/WTF-EV.

However, I do think pilloring anyone for THEIR choice is wrong. And as for forcing things on people, well, hey............

I have dealt with ER personally in his previous iteration, on something he didn't deliver then, either - see attached - and he was part of a disaster then, and he'll be part of a disaster now.

Tbh, I'm still in shock that such a nobody-voted-for party is in the position of power they're in.

galwaytt

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You would be surprised what I know about modern housing and energy efficiency

For once I agree with you - you're not wrong there.

There again I built them for a living, incl certified PH.

galwaytt

galwaytt wrote: »

Tbh, I'm still in shock that such a nobody-voted-for party is in the position of power they're in.

Most TDs were fighting to remain in opposition for months, now this week they're turning down ministerial positions.

The greens saw their opportunity and took it. :pac:

RandomViewer

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Most TDs were fighting to remain in opposition for months, now this week they're turning down ministerial positions.

The greens saw their opportunity and took it. :pac:

Fool's rush in?

ml100

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Most TDs were fighting to remain in opposition for months, now this week they're turning down ministerial positions.

The greens saw their opportunity and took it. :pac:

If the greens didn't go into government then there would be another general election as ff and FG wont touch SF and the greens would have been blamed for the election and would be back to their true level of support, 1 or 2 td's.

Shefwedfan

galwaytt wrote: »

It's not. I love petrol. And diesel. And 2-strokes. I see no reason to not welcome EV/BEV/PHEV/WTF-EV.

However, I do think pilloring anyone for THEIR choice is wrong. And as for forcing things on people, well, hey............

I have dealt with ER personally in his previous iteration, on something he didn't deliver then, either - see attached - and he was part of a disaster then, and he'll be part of a disaster now.

Tbh, I'm still in shock that such a nobody-voted-for party is in the position of power they're in.

Nobody is pilloring anyone, I already said combustion engine will be on sale in reality in Ireland till the car manufacturers kill them off. That has nothing to do with the Greens.

The Bishop Basher

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I know you probably think your house is lovely, most other people will look at it as awful. So problem is when you kick the bucket not even your children will want it and it will go to ruins.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You think it is lovely. Do you really think people are going to walk up to you and tell you that the house is horrible?

There is some amount of arrogance in these posts.

Who are you to tell another poster that their house is "horrible" and "awful" ?

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

. Its not keeping the community alive by the way.

Building a house or renovating a house in a village is not creating employment? in reality the regenration of villages with houses and propoer public transport creates more job that a one off house.

It is keeping the community alive, its continuing to live next to my parents and other family members keeping the family close and keeping the relationships with neighbours going into the next generation, its keeping numbers up in the local schools, availing of other community initiatives etc.

Aisde from the fact I need to be close to the farm I have no interest in renovating a house, I want to built from scratch as I want, nothing even close to what I'd want would be possible stuck in a town.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You think it is lovely. Do you really think people are going to walk up to you and tell you that the house is horrible?

You do realize all architect have a set of plans they share around, they use that as a base and then tell the person they have created an adhoc building for them :-) I bet he has spend "days" on your plans.....

I know its lovely, people I know arent afraid to speak the truth if people didn't like aspects or had advice they gave it at different times.

and you are also wrong on it being "a set of plans shared around". We went to him with ideas of what we wanted and he designed to these both inside and outside, there is no other house anywhere in the area or anywhere I've seen in person with some of the features. He is also a local architect who does lots of houses in the area and they are all different.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

If you house is big one off build, dont kid yourself on what you will need to heat it. The old I build an energy-efficient house, in reality most house in Ireland are nowhere near what other countries build.

I'm not kidding myself, regardless of size modern well built and insulated homes with underfloor hearting up and downstairs are cheap to heat with heat pumps especially when combined with PV.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I live in countryside, all my family lives in it. So I know exactly all about countryside living and I know all about farming. Thanks for asking

As do I and there are no big farms anywhere near me, the average farm in my area is probably around 60 to 80 acres.

Uncle Pierre

cgcsb wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac: How many KM of road do you think your taxes can maintain a year?

I'm just going to jump in on this one.

Is this a city or town dweller begrudging a rural resident the fact that they happen to have a road by their house?

The same sort of city or town dweller who doesn't have to pay a single cent extra for a clean water supply and sewage services because "we pay for it from our taxes"???? While a rural dweller with their own well & septic tank, or on a group water scheme, typically has to pay hundreds of euro a year despite already also paying those same taxes?????

If so - how many gallons of water supply or tonnes of sewage treatment do you think your taxes can maintain in a year?

Shefwedfan

Alejandra Square Taurus wrote: »

I'm not kidding myself, regardless of size modern well built and insulated homes with underfloor hearting up and downstairs are cheap to heat with heat pumps especially when combined with PV.

Have you gone to anyone with the same house size and insulation and priced how much it costs?



I have solar PV, I can tell you the performance of PV during the months when you are using your heating will not power it, not even close and I have the maximum amount of panels you can connect to the grid.

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Have you gone to anyone with the same house size and insulation and priced how much it costs?
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I have a relation with a bigger house, just a few years old so would be similar insulation levels. Has oil heating and heat recovery ventilation but is a bigger house as I said 3500 sq feet vs 3000 sq feet which mine will be and the oil spend is in the mid 100's of euro per year. A heat pump with underfloor will at at worst cost a similar amount of electricity and most likely less.

Have another friend with a heat pump but house is a little smaller around 2200 sq feet and he reckons his ESB for the year is around the 1k for all heating, cooking, everything in the house basically and he has no PV.

There is a big difference in having a heat pump in a house built in the last 2 or 3 year compared to even 6 or 7 years ago. Retrofitting them in older houses is a waste of time and money also. But in a new build with heat recovery ventilation, underfloor and massive insulation they are extremely efficient.

TrailerBob

I think Shefwedfan is AndrewJRenko with another username... Massive generalisations... Sweeping statements like everyone's house in the country is ugly and a blight on the landscape...and he knows everything there is to know about everything.. so leave him alone.

I'm all for debate on topics like this, but I pulled out of the thread pages ago for this same nonsense. I thought I'd look in case it got back on track, but no, a willy measuring contest has ensued...

I'm off to power wash my 3 litre SUV from my own well outside my ugly house with a great view (maybe it's ugly too) down a lane with grass growing up the middle that I love, and wouldn't trade for diamonds. At least I don't have to listen to the complaining from out here..

Shefwedfan

TrailerBob wrote: »

I think Shefwedfan is AndrewJRenko with another username... Massive generalisations... Sweeping statements like everyone's house in the country is ugly and a blight on the landscape...and he knows everything there is to know about everything.. so leave him alone.

I'm all for debate on topics like this, but I pulled out of the thread pages ago for this same nonsense. I thought I'd look in case it got back on track, but no, a willy measuring contest has ensued...

I'm off to power wash my 3 litre SUV from my own well outside my ugly house with a great view (maybe it's ugly too) down a lane with grass growing up the middle that I love, and wouldn't trade for diamonds. At least I don't have to listen to the complaining from out here..

I thought that was the whole point of the thread? I am just copying the posters before me....see examples

Truthvader wrote: »

Don't know a single person who had a motorbike who did not have an accident and most had accidents that left them with permanent long term issues

Truthvader wrote: »

Actually one of those people with a car so I go to where I want when I want rather than waiting 40 minutes on the grace and favour of CIE on the off chance that they might show up to get deposited wherever CIE think I might like to go

Truthvader wrote: »

Compared to waiting for a bus or living in a dog kennel sized apartment where the walls are made of kleenex and you have to keep your bike at the end of your bed.

Think again

:P:P

Uncle Pierre

TrailerBob wrote: »

I think Shefwedfan is AndrewJRenko with another username..

I think you might be right. Trawling back through people's posting history and using the multi-quote thing like just above here is one of Andy's trademarks too. :D:D

You forgot to mention dragging threads way off topic. Like anything that includes some bit of valid criticism of some cyclists immediately becoming a "but cars kill people" one. And while I haven't been following this thread from the start, it's somehow degenerated from one about a new Minister for Transport into one about rural housing.

That fella is some boyo all right.

cgcsb

Uncle Pierre wrote: »

I'm just going to jump in on this one.

Is this a city or town dweller begrudging a rural resident the fact that they happen to have a road by their house?

The same sort of city or town dweller who doesn't have to pay a single cent extra for a clean water supply and sewage services because "we pay for it from our taxes"???? While a rural dweller with their own well & septic tank, or on a group water scheme, typically has to pay hundreds of euro a year despite already also paying those same taxes?????

If so - how many gallons of water supply or tonnes of sewage treatment do you think your taxes can maintain in a year?

eh septic tanks are not a good thing and society pays for the consequences of them. I share the sewer service with about 600,000 other individuals and many businesses so it is an efficient use of resources. I do agree with you there should be a charge for using public water services.

Uncle Pierre

cgcsb wrote: »

eh septic tanks are not a good thing and society pays for the consequences of them. I share the sewer service with about 600,000 other individuals and many businesses so it is an efficient use of resources. I do agree with you there should be a charge for using public water services.

If you think septic tanks are not a good thing, you should consider what it would be like here if I didn't have one!!!

At least you see where I'm coming from on the urban/rural divide as regards paying for water & sewage services. Seems it still hasn't occurred to just about all of the water charges protestors that we in the countryside pay general taxation too. If they were actually serious and honest in what they said, instead of just looking after their own pockets, they'd still be continuing the campaign.

By the way......hope you don't really begrudge me the road outside my house! How else am I to get to the nearest town and the civilisation you speak of, where you get to share a sewage pipe with your neighbours?

Tea drinker

Shefwedfan wrote: »

One off housing is ruining the countryside. God awful houses build and polluting everywhere.



One of ireland main attactions is the beautiful landscape, a landscape full of stupid houses is not what I want my kids to have to look at in the future.

Unfortuneatly yes the government will have to dictate where people live. Planning permission will have to shut loop holes.

As soon as people built their awful house in middle on nowhere, next thing they are onto the school asking why little Jonnie cant get the bus, why the road to nowhere has a pothole in it and why it isnt fixed. Why they cant get BB similar to living in the middle of Dublin.....and it goes on and on and on and on with complaints. All because they wanted a stupid big house which they can't pay now to heat and complain because the cost of heating is increasing.....

It doesn't come down to if you can afford it to be honest, it comes down to what is good for Ireland and for our children. Simple as that

Why don't you expect anti social people with anti social kids on social welfare to pay their way?
They live in council houses or apartments or hotels all paid for by the state, are you so brave to challenge them to not be a burden? To live within their means and not bitch about rising heating costs :-)

And as for rural roads being used for transporting the culchie kings in the way they see fit - vast majority of rural roads are used for upkeep and maintenance of farms and transporting farming produce. Do away with those and it gets hard to supply sufficient food for the populace. Eamonn and his one car per village and similar ideas will have us starving like most commie / socialist utopia.

?Cee?view

Fred_ wrote: »

No one should be using a group water scheme.

I understand most of your logic, I just don't agree with it. But this one I don't get. What have you against group water schemes?

?Cee?view

galwaytt wrote: »

It's not. I love petrol. And diesel. And 2-strokes. I see no reason to not welcome EV/BEV/PHEV/WTF-EV.

However, I do think pilloring anyone for THEIR choice is wrong. And as for forcing things on people, well, hey............

I have dealt with ER personally in his previous iteration, on something he didn't deliver then, either - see attached - and he was part of a disaster then, and he'll be part of a disaster now.

Tbh, I'm still in shock that such a nobody-voted-for party is in the position of power they're in.

If I could add a "love" rather than a "like" to this post, I would. It's so completely true. Who are the Greens and Ryan to dictate how I or anyone live my life. Cycling bores me sick. Engines on the other hand, I love the smell, the sound, the feel. My stable runs from 5.3 v12 petrol to 125cc. And all of them are more environmentally friendly than any newly produced EV.

Feisar

Eamon Ryan Minister for Transport, sure that's like having a vegan the Minister of Agriculture:pac:

Duckjob

Feisar wrote: »

Eamon Ryan Minister for Transport, sure that's like having a vegan the Minister of Agriculture:pac:

If you have a blinkered Transport = Cars worldview, then yes it is I suppose.

cgcsb

Uncle Pierre wrote: »

If you think septic tanks are not a good thing, you should consider what it would be like here if I didn't have one!!!

At least you see where I'm coming from on the urban/rural divide as regards paying for water & sewage services. Seems it still hasn't occurred to just about all of the water charges protestors that we in the countryside pay general taxation too. If they were actually serious and honest in what they said, instead of just looking after their own pockets, they'd still be continuing the campaign.

By the way......hope you don't really begrudge me the road outside my house! How else am I to get to the nearest town and the civilisation you speak of, where you get to share a sewage pipe with your neighbours?

The septic tank is something to use if there isn't an alternative. Ireland over relies on them, specifically because there is just to many one off houses. almost 40% but 40% are definitely not farmers or foresters.

As for what I think. Ireland can't really pack in one off houses overnight, allowing people build houses anywhere at all was critical mistake that is having and will continue to have terrible impacts. We can prevent people building new ones, but that's politically difficult because too many people feel entitled now. Natural economic factors are what will change things. More and more people live in bigger and bigger cities around the world and the same will happen here. the multi-billion rural broadband scheme will probably be quietly dropped by this governmenr which is no longer seeking the rural vote so no harm.

ml100

cgcsb wrote: »

The septic tank is something to use if there isn't an alternative. Ireland over relies on them, specifically because there is just to many one off houses. almost 40% but 40% are definitely not farmers or foresters.

As for what I think. Ireland can't really pack in one off houses overnight, allowing people build houses anywhere at all was critical mistake that is having and will continue to have terrible impacts. We can prevent people building new ones, but that's politically difficult because too many people feel entitled now. Natural economic factors are what will change things. More and more people live in bigger and bigger cities around the world and the same will happen here. the multi-billion rural broadband scheme will probably be quietly dropped by this governmenr which is no longer seeking the rural vote so no harm.

Covid 20 covid 21 should sort out those big cities!