BLM, or WLM? [MOD WARNING: FIRST POST]

AbusesToilets

AbusesToilets wrote: »

No mention of the masses out rioting and looting during a pandemic? Just the bad white folks

At least the BLM protesters tend to wear masks. Why wasn't Rittenhouse wearing a mask? Gullible pup he is.

Silentcorner

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Can you not see how there is a very large correalation between those who were aghast at Covid restrictions (first picture) and those who felt the need to take up weapons against protestors (second picture)





And both of these points orbit around a common denominator. The guy in the White House. Further evidenced with this 'Liberate' tweets, warning about the risks of their guns being taken and attendance at one of his rally's the 17 year old murderer.

I think a lot of people are suffering over a pandemic and reacting in different ways to the huge over reach of government actions, some believe they are justified, some don't....it's the US where there are a lot of people who are not afraid to express an opinion and as long as that is done peacefully I don't see a problem.

But comparing people's opinion of mask wearing to a BLM movement that has proven itself to engage in anarchy, murder, destruction across numerous American cities for the last number of months is a bit of a stretch....unless you have been whipped into a frenzy about the politics behind all the above that is!!!!

Guy:Incognito

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Its amazing how the people calling him racist, etc didn't have anything bad to say about him for over 50 years. Its like he changed parties to run for President or something. And won.

Trump has always been a ****ty person that plenty disliked. But all he was then was a (not very good) business person, though he did do stuff like take out full page ads to call for the return of the death penalty for what turned out to be innocent kids, boast about things like grabbing women and being able to stroll in to the dressing room of miss teen america.


You really find it strange that people pay more attention to how much of a scumbag he is now that he has power over things that can effect them?

and he didnt "change parties and run for president" hes switched back and forward a few times. He uses whoever he can get the most from and all the republicans cheering a ****ty person because he happens to be "their" ****ty person no are too stupid/ignorant or just dont care about anyone but themselves. If he did exactly the same stuff but was a democrat, the same people that idolise him would be calling him the devil and hammering him for all the ****ty stuff he does. The most definitely wouldn't be holding him up as some champion of christianity (not that any of them count themselves, the bunch of hypocrites)

Tell me how

AbusesToilets wrote: »

No mention of the masses out rioting and looting during a pandemic? Just the bad white folks

Why don't you, put a percentage on the numbers who have marched who have engaged in violence or looting?

What percentage, in your mind, does it take so that a movement can definitively be identified as being a mob who are looting?

This question has been asked of several here, none of which have answered it to this point.

Cupatae

https://www.fox9.com/news/court-filings-medical-examiner-thought-george-floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-system

The truth is burning thru ever brighter! GF death and the BLM lies are being brutally exposed. Turns out he had fatal doses of fentanyl in his system.

“The autopsy revealed no physical evidence suggesting that Mr. Floyd died of asphyxiation.”

"The other memorandum filed June 1 by the Attorney’s Office indicated Baker said Floyd’s level of fentanyl was “pretty high,” and a potentially “fatal level.”

nullzero

nullzero wrote: »

If it's obvious you shouldn't have any problem proving it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/02/arts/virus-mask-trump.html

nullzero

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Do you deny there is a consistency of opinions between anti-covid restrictions and those against BLM protests?

Given Trumps view on both matters, do you think this supposedly silent majority who support him would have conflicting views to him on the 2 biggest topics of the Presidency?

So Trump supporters taking to the streets = stupid white people making the Covid pandemic worse but BLM protesters taking to the streets = responsible behaviour?

Both groups are showing a disregard for the Covid situation but surprise surprise you only take issue with the ones you disagree with.

Tell me how

Silentcorner wrote: »

I think a lot of people are suffering over a pandemic and reacting in different ways to the huge over reach of government actions, some believe they are justified, some don't....it's the US where there are a lot of people who are not afraid to express an opinion and as long as that is done peacefully I don't see a problem.

But comparing people's opinion of mask wearing to a BLM movement that has proven itself to engage in anarchy, murder, destruction across numerous American cities for the last number of months is a bit of a stretch....unless you have been whipped into a frenzy about the politics behind all the above that is!!!!

Glad you have this view.

What do you think of the police charging peaceful protestors which has happened on numerous occasions over the last few months?

Hell, even the President did it for a photo op.

nullzero

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/02/arts/virus-mask-trump.html

An opinion piece from the New York Times? Please.

nullzero

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Glad you have this view.

What do you think of the police charging peaceful protestors which has happened on numerous occasions over the last few months?

Hell, even the President did it for a photo op.

The term "peaceful protestors" has been stretched to breaking point over the last few months.

Broadstone Bob

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Why don't you, put a percentage on the numbers who have marched who have engaged in violence or looting?

What percentage, in your mind, does it take so that a movement can definitively be identified as being a mob who are looting?

This question has been asked of several here, none of which have answered it to this point.

50% - Prove me wrong.

(dumb isn't it?)

nullzero

Tell me how wrote: »

Why don't you, put a percentage on the numbers who have marched who have engaged in violence or looting?

What percentage, in your mind, does it take so that a movement can definitively be identified as being a mob who are looting?

This question has been asked of several here, none of which have answered it to this point.

If you are demanding this type evidence from others surely you should be prepared to provide similar evidence to support your opinions?

Cody montana

Cupatae wrote: »

https://www.fox9.com/news/court-filings-medical-examiner-thought-george-floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-system

The truth is burning thru ever brighter! GF death and the BLM lies are being brutally exposed. Turns out he had fatal doses of fentanyl in his system.

“The autopsy revealed no physical evidence suggesting that Mr. Floyd died of asphyxiation.”

"The other memorandum filed June 1 by the Attorney’s Office indicated Baker said Floyd’s level of fentanyl was “pretty high,” and a potentially “fatal level.”

Why did you leave out the title?

“Medical examiner thought George Floyd had 'fatal level' of fentanyl in system”

Tell me how

nullzero wrote: »

So Trump supporters taking to the streets = stupid white people making the Covid pandemic worse but BLM protesters taking to the streets = responsible behaviour?

Both groups are showing a disregard for the Covid situation but surprise surprise you only take issue with the ones you disagree with.

And by definition, surprise, surprise, you don't have an issue with the ones you agree with.

I disagreed with the BLM protests during heightened covid restrictions.

But, there is no comparison between people putting their lives and safety (and others) at risk in order to draw attention to the disproportionate experience one sector of their community is having to live with, and those putting their lives and safety (and others) at risk in order to voice their displeasure at the very safety guidelines which had been put in place to protect them.

One group is doing it for the greater good, the other because of their selfish motivation that what they want is most important.

Danzy

Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »

According to journalist and Pulitzer Prize winner Isabel Wilkinson in her book Caste: The Origins of Our Discontents and the Guardian article 'America's 'untouchables': the silent power of the caste system', systemic racism is insufficient to describe what is going on in the United States, and a more accurate description would be a societal caste system, akin to India's caste system, and that white Americans sit on the top of the American caste system while black Americans are on the bottom of the American caste system.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/28/untouchables-caste-system-us-race-martin-luther-king-india

That's some peak rich kid bubble world thinking.


West Africans are up there as the best performing demographic in America in terms of wealth and position.

It's culture and values that are the big problem unless white supremacist America is favouring Indians, East Asians and Africans above all others.

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

It's very obvious they are all linked. It's funny that the polarisation of US politics even has people in Ireland polarised.

It's obvious, to whom...

Do you think the people in this county and every other country on the planet who don't understand why we are mandated by our governments to wear masks are Trump supporters?

If you are a business owner in the States who is against lockdown orders, are you then automatically a Trump supporter?

Plenty of states in the US didn't lockdown like New York/California did, nobody protested....does that make all of those people Trump supporters?

Are you starting to see the common denominator here....

For someone comfortable in calling people you don't know stupid, you aren't covering yourself in glory!!!

Cupatae

Cody montana wrote: »

Why did you leave out the title?

“Medical examiner thought George Floyd had 'fatal level' of fentanyl in system”

I posted a link to the source

Cupatae

Cupatae wrote: »

https://www.fox9.com/news/court-filings-medical-examiner-thought-george-floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-system

The truth is burning thru ever brighter! GF death and the BLM lies are being brutally exposed. Turns out he had fatal doses of fentanyl in his system.

“The autopsy revealed no physical evidence suggesting that Mr. Floyd died of asphyxiation.”

"The other memorandum filed June 1 by the Attorney’s Office indicated Baker said Floyd’s level of fentanyl was “pretty high,” and a potentially “fatal level.”

Oh goody. My specialist area. He obviously had a drug problem. You can build up a tolerance to fentanyl. What would be fatal for an opioid native person might only give a mild high to an addict?

But here we are back to victim blaming. So what if he was a substance misuser? Drug addiction is a social/health issue rather than a criminal one. But instead, it was his drug use that had a police officer hold him by the neck for nearly 9 mins. Sure, George Floyd must be in the wrong because he had an addiction problem. Glad to see you get giddy over somebody's substance abuse issues.

Cupatae

Cody montana wrote: »

Why did you leave out the title?

“Medical examiner thought George Floyd had 'fatal level' of fentanyl in system”

heres another one https://www.lawofficer.com/new-exhibits-filed-in-george-floyd-case-point-to-overdose-as-cause-of-death/

Tell me how

Broadstone Bob wrote: »

50% - Prove me wrong.

(dumb isn't it?)

Circa 15 -26M have been on protests up until mid June or so.
Lets go with a figure of 20M
Around the same time, a total of 10,000 had been arrested during the protests.
That equates to a figure of 0.05% of all those who protested.

You're out by a factor of 1000.

You are right, it was a dumb guess.

nullzero wrote: »

If you are demanding this type evidence from others surely you should be prepared to provide similar evidence to support your opinions?

Now, the first question was at least attempted to be answered, do you want to give a guess on the second question.

'What percentage, in your mind, does it take so that a movement can definitively be identified as being a mob who are looting?'

joseywhales

I still vote for not giving race any relevance, the more we keep labelling and stereotyping, even with good meaning, the more we segregate. I thought we were supposed to see whats on the inside of everybody no?

Cody montana

Cupatae wrote: »

I posted a link to the source

What does “thought“ mean?

Cupatae

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh goody. My specialist area. He obviously had a drug problem. You can build up a tolerance to fentanyl. What would be fatal for an opioid native person might only give a mild high to an addict?

But here we are back to victim blaming. So what if he was a substance misuser? Drug addiction is a social/health issue rather than a criminal one. But instead, it was his drug use that had a police officer hold him by the neck for nearly 9 mins. Sure, George Floyd must be in the wrong because he had an addiction problem. Glad to see you get giddy over somebody's substance abuse issues.

Why did it take 9 min to kill him then ? Damn... his good.. fatal overdosed and held his breath for 9 min.

nullzero

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And by definition, surprise, surprise, you don't have an issue with the ones you agree with.

I disagreed with the BLM protests during heightened covid restrictions.

But, there is no comparison between people putting their lives and safety (and others) at risk in order to draw attention to the disproportionate experience one sector of their community is having to live with, and those putting their lives and safety (and others) at risk in order to voice their displeasure at the very safety guidelines which had been put in place to protect them.

One group is doing it for the greater good, the other because of their selfish motivation that what they want is most important.

I never expressed my opinion on that issue as it happens so for you to say I don't take issue with people I "agree with" (I never said I agreed with anyone on this issue) is demonstrably false.

As for the "greater good" or "selfish motivation" argument you are putting forward, yet again you are reducing everything down to the most base level possible. This year's BLM protests have done very little for the "greater good" unless you see American society degenerating into some sort of Manson-esque race war as being beneficial.

Cody montana

Cupatae wrote: »

heres another one https://www.lawofficer.com/new-exhibits-filed-in-george-floyd-case-point-to-overdose-as-cause-of-death/

Have you read what you posted?

Tell me how

nullzero wrote: »

I never expressed my opinion on that issue as it happens so for you to say I don't take issue with people I "agree with" (I never said I agreed with anyone on this issue) is demonstrably false.

As for the "greater good" or "selfish motivation" argument you are putting forward, yet again you are reducing everything down to the most base level possible. This year's BLM protests have done very little for the "greater good" unless you see American society degenerating into some sort of Manson-esque race war as being beneficial.

Same would have been said throughout all protests in the past, of that I have no doubt.

Progress comes slowly, but make no mistake, this will all be seen as part of the journey.

nullzero

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Circa 15 -26M have been on protests up until mid June or so.
Lets go with a figure of 20M
Around the same time, a total of 10,000 had been arrested during the protests.
That equates to a figure of 0.05% of all those who protested.

You're out by a factor of 1000.

You are right, it was a dumb guess.



Now, the first question was at least attempted to be answered, do you want to give a guess on the second question.

'What percentage, in your mind, does it take so that a movement can definitively be identified as being a mob who are looting?'

10,000 arrests.

Ten thousand arrests, yeah nothing to see here.

Tell me how

nullzero wrote: »

10,000 arrests.

Ten thousand arrests, yeah nothing to see here.

0.05% kiddo. Do you understand percentages?

Cody montana

nullzero wrote: »

10,000 arrests.

Ten thousand arrests, yeah nothing to see here.

Is that all, in the whole of the USA?

Broadstone Bob

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Circa 15 -26M have been on protests up until mid June or so.
Lets go with a figure of 20M
Around the same time, a total of 10,000 had been arrested during the protests.
That equates to a figure of 0.05% of all those who protested.

You're out by a factor of 1000.

You are right, it was a dumb guess.



Now, the first question was at least attempted to be answered, do you want to give a guess on the second question.

'What percentage, in your mind, does it take so that a movement can definitively be identified as being a mob who are looting?'

You are only including the people who have been arrested and not the ones who got away
so I still say 50% (tongue in cheek) and you need to prove me wrong.