BLM, or WLM? [MOD WARNING: FIRST POST]

kildare lad

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There are police who have been convicted of pedophilia, are all policemen pedophiles?

He's shoots three people and they're all pedos what are the odds on that . The protesters are professional victims, pedos , criminals, loners , social rejects and anarchists . Great bunch of lads Ted.

Gerry Hatrick

Sand wrote: »

All 3 of the Antifa members shot by this kid were convicted felons. One was a convicted pedophile.

Lad did his country a service.

Sand

Broadstone Bob wrote: »

LoL from this video it was Rosenbaum who was pushing the dumpster when the fire extinguisher was used. So much for him chasing Rittenhouse cos he was afraid of his gun.


https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1299058504813035520?s=20

That means what provoked the attack was him attempting to put out the fire. Which is not a crime. So his right to self defence is certain.

Tell me how

kildare lad wrote: »

That's why All lives matter

Do you realise the difference in regular illegal activity, and when that illegal activity is carried out by an official government group, paid for with public funds, and specifically charged with keeping people safe who then treat a particular sector of society in an unfair or prejudicial manner?

A simple analogy.
People in Ireland fly tip. Most people hate it but don't get too animated about it.
Imagine the outrage there would be if it was county councils who were doing the fly tipping.

No one is saying crime is acceptable, but to suggest people who support BLM have lesser regard for the victims of other crime is at this point wilfully misinterpreting the situation.

gozunda

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It's very simple, there have been upwards of 20M protesting this summer.
About 10,000 have been arrested for activities during the protests.

The implication was that everyone involved in the protests is engaging in illegal activity.
They patently aren't and trying to deflect by giving figures in relation to crime figures not connected with the protests is comparing Apples with Oranges.

It simple alright. It's evident from blm protests videos available online - that many of those involved in the movement are openly advocating and supporting attacks of non blacks, rioting including the looting and destruction of ordinary peoples property and directed attacks on neighbourhoods.

That you choose to try and defend such criminal activity on the basis of only a few (10,000) 'have been arrested" is truely deplorable

Again how would you feel when a mob rocks up to your door and attacks you or you family or loots your business. Will you go and stand at the side and cheer them as well?

Sand

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It really doesn't. 3 people isn't a credible sampling of data and would never be considered to be.

We can only analyse the data we have available to us. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Though I do accept Antifa draws its membership from two key categories: the dregs of society and the children of the very wealthiest.

edjkdkjdhjkd

gozunda wrote: »

It is evident from blm protests videos available online - that many of those involved in tte movement are openly advocating and supporting attacks of non blacks, rioting including the looting and destruction of ordinary peoples property and directed attacks on neighnourhoods.

That you choose to try and defend such criminal activity on the basis of only a few 'have been arrested" is truely deplorable

Again how would you feel when a mob rocks up to your door and attacks you or you family or loots your business. Will you go and stand at the side and cheer them as well?

you forgot to mention torture one of your pets (puppy, horse and raccoons so far).

edjkdkjdhjkd

Sand wrote: »

We can only analyse the data we have available to us. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Though I do accept Antifa draws its membership from two key categories: the dregs of society and the children of the very wealthiest.

Very true, you will find that both have one thing in common, no purpose in life.

kildare lad

kildare lad wrote: »

He's shoots three people and they're all pedos what are the odds on that . The protesters are professional victims, pedos , loners , social rejects and anarchists . Great bunch of lads Ted.

I would say you're engaging in gross generalisations. Firstly, only one person was convicted of sex with a minor in 2002 at age 18. No indication of anything since. Then you've got the reality that BLM is a hugely diverse group. You and other posters are doing everything you can to ignore that they have very real grievances that are backed up, time and time again.

Sand wrote: »

We can only analyse the data we have available to us. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Though I do accept Antifa draws its membership from two key categories: the dregs of society and the children of the very wealthiest.

BLM are not antifa and basing a conclusion on 3 people is the utmost in stupidity. And I would say it's more an act of confirmation bias.

Tell me how

kildare lad wrote: »

He's shoots three people and they're all pedos what are the odds on that . The protesters are professional victims, pedos , loners , social rejects and anarchists . Great bunch of lads Ted.

Really, can you post a link that suggests all 3 were pedophiles?

Tell me how

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Really, can you post a link that suggests all 3 were pedophiles?

He cannot..

kildare lad

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I would say you're engaging in gross generalisations. Firstly, only one person was convicted of sex with a minor in 2002 at age 18. No indication of anything since. Then you've got the reality that BLM is a hugely diverse group. You and other posters are doing everything you can to ignore that they have very real grievances that are backed up, time and time again.

Ye they're a diverse group alright, pedos, criminals , anarchists , looters , rich white virtue signallers , what a group of people. It's the type of movement anyone with a brain would avoid like the plague.

Broadstone Bob

Sand wrote: »

That means what provoked the attack was him attempting to put out the fire. Which is not a crime. So his right to self defence is certain.

At the 3m 45 second mark in this youtube video you can see video of Kyle Rittenhouse running past the camera with a fire extinguisher
So on that day he worked as a life guard, removed graffiti from a local high school, protected business from being burnt down, performed first aid on injured BLM protestors and put out fires. What a psycho!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=542&v=ts43EskooaA&feature=emb_logo

Sand

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BLM are not antifa and basing a conclusion on 3 people is the utmost in stupidity. And I would say it's more an act of confirmation bias.

Well the statement was regarding BLM/Antifa. And 3 people were selected at random from the crowd and all were convicted criminals.

As for BLM, you have to remember a third of all African American males in the US have a criminal conviction. If the African American males at a BLM rally were surveyed, it would be very reasonable to presume that ratio would be much higher given the violence, rioting and criminality that accompanies them.

kildare lad

kildare lad wrote: »

Ye they're a diverse group alright, pedos, criminals , anarchists , looters , rich white virtue signallers , what a group of people. It's the type of movement anyone with a brain would avoid like the plague.

Do you think there were members of the civil rights movement with convictions? Cause there were. I would say it's reasonable for such a movement to develop when Police officers suffocate people to death and shoot people in the back seven times.

You're attempting to delegitimise a movement of millions of people who have very real concerns. I'm guessing it's because you're in denial the issues even exist.

kildare lad

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Really, can you post a link that suggests all 3 were pedophiles?

Sorry got it wrong one pedo and two criminals . Still it says a lot about the movement , he shots three people they all have rap sheets. It's a bit like BLM martyr George Floyd , drug offenses , home invasion involving a gun being pointed at a pregnant woman . Man you'd want to start choosing your heros a bit better

Sand

Broadstone Bob wrote: »

At the 3m 45 second mark in this youtube video you can see video of Kyle Rittenhouse running past the camera with a fire extinguisher
So on that day he worked as a life guard, removed graffiti from a local high school, protected business from being burnt down, performed first aid on injured BLM protestors and put out fires. What a psycho!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=542&v=ts43EskooaA&feature=emb_logo

He seems like a good kid with a decent sense of civic responsibility. But these are not values celebrated in the USA today. It's wall to wall nihilism. He's under very poor leadership bringing him into a trap like that riot.

Sand

Sand wrote: »

Well the statement was regarding BLM/Antifa. And 3 people were selected at random from the crowd and all were convicted criminals.

As for BLM, you have to remember a third of all African American males in the US have a criminal conviction. If the African American males at a BLM rally were surveyed, it would be very reasonable to presume that ratio would be much higher given the violence, rioting and criminality that accompanies them.

I think you're exposing some of your views on black people more than anything tbh.

Sand

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I think you're exposing some of your views on black people more than anything tbh.

I think you're out of arguments tbh.

kildare lad

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Do you think there were members of the civil rights movement with convictions? Cause there were. I would say it's reasonable for such a movement to develop when Police officers suffocate people to death and shoot people in the back seven times.

You're attempting to delegitimise a movement of millions of people who have very real concerns. I'm guessing it's because you're in denial the issues even exist.

Hopefully when you defunded police issue it'll stop all black and black gun crime that kills thousands ever year .

Tell me how

kildare lad wrote: »

Sorry got it wrong one pedo and two criminals . Still it says a lot about the movement , he shots three people they all have rap sheets. It's a bit like BLM martyr George Floyd , drug offenses , home invasion involving a gun being pointed at a pregnant woman . Man you'd want to start choosing your heros a bit better

So, from 3 pedophiles to one who was convicted of sex with a minor when he was 18 and 2 more with criminal records.

A very different picture.

And you and others are still missing the point, but your manner in doing so is evidence why police systems need reform. You presume that prior convictions or suspicions of such entitles police to behave in a particular behaviour.

It absolutely does not.

Sand

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So, from 3 pedophiles to one who was convicted of sex with a minor when he was 18 and 2 more with criminal records.

A very different picture.

And you and others are still missing the point, but your manner in doing so is evidence why police systems need reform. You presume that prior convictions or suspicions of such entitles police to behave in a particular behaviour.

It absolutely does not.

No we're assuming that people with criminal convictions are more likely to behave in a criminal manner than people without criminal convictions. That there is some correlation between criminal behavior and criminal convictions. That's reasonable.

Tell me how

Sand wrote: »

No we're assuming that people with criminal convictions are more likely to behave in a criminal manner than people without criminal convictions. That there is some correlation between criminal behavior and criminal convictions. That's reasonable.

It's prejudicial.
It doesn't validate excessive violence.
It doesn't apply to Breonna Taylor.

Sand

Sand wrote: »

I think you're out of arguments tbh.

You've generalised a large scale movement into a bunch of criminals based on 3 people. You've also ignored their very real grievances and likely could not care less that the justice system is weighted against black communities.

Tell me how

kildare lad wrote: »

Hopefully when you defunded police issue it'll stop all black and black gun crime that kills thousands ever year .

Are you not concerned about stopping crime perpetrated by white people?

You can't help yourself can you.

Broadstone Bob

https://twitter.com/PoliticalShort/status/1299702113103220737?s=20

Sand

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You've generalised a large scale movement into a bunch of criminals based on 3 people. You've also ignored their very real grievances and likely could not care less that the justice system is weighted against black communities.

I've formed my views based on the available evidence. Your views diverge from the available evidence.

But go on then. What is their very real grievance and how is it advanced by attacking people and properties?

Broadstone Bob

Broadstone Bob wrote: »

https://twitter.com/PoliticalShort/status/1299702113103220737?s=20

Any truth to the claims that the keys he stole from the woman he allegedly sexually assaulted were actually the car keys and he was getting into the car, with the kids in the back, when he was shot?

If thats the case it changes things for me as they could not have let him drive off, armed, with the kids. Not sure if its true.

Tell me how

Sand wrote: »

I've formed my views based on the available evidence. Your views diverge from the available evidence.

But go on then. What is their very real grievance and how is it advanced by attacking people and properties?

20M Protested
10K Arrested
Vast majority of protests are so peaceful there isn't even a police presence in watching them.

The real grievance is prejudicial views and preemptive use of fatal options being practiced by police frequently on people who are black in colour.

the protests over the summer have drawn more and more attention to this and has recently led to some of the biggest sporting organisations in the country also saying enough is enough.

Every single person who sat down to watch a game in the last week to see it not go ahead will have thought for a second, 'FFS, what will it take to not have games cancelled' and eventually that message will flow through the teams owners and the competition organisers to those in a position to bring about change.

It won't be quick, but it's happening.

TomTomTim

Broadstone Bob wrote: »

Any truth to the claims that the keys he stole from the woman he allegedly sexually assaulted were actually the car keys and he was getting into the car, with the kids in the back, when he was shot?

If thats the case it changes things for me as they could not have let him drive off, armed, with the kids. Not sure if its true.

Nonsense. He was going to his car to grab a guitar and play a rendition of Imagine for the police, in order to bring communities together.