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BLM, or WLM? [MOD WARNING: FIRST POST]

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    #3662
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Colion Noir take on the Kyle Rittenhouse shooting


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSU9ZvnudFE&feature=youtu.be


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    #3663
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭ [Deleted User]


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    cant bate a bit of the auld fentanyl of a morning

    It is incredibly moreish. I suppose in your eyes, it's a horrible drug?


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    #3664
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭ [Deleted User]


    statesaver wrote: »
    If they had followed Police instructions they would be alive now, well maybe not George. The drugs in his system would of killed him.

    Hmmm. Given GF's weight and supposed tolerance to fentanyl. It's unlikely. I've seen higher ng/ml in therapeutic use. Frail elderly ladies as well.


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    #3665
    martingriff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,996 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    statesaver wrote: »
    If they had followed Police instructions they would be alive now, well maybe not George. The drugs in his system would of killed him.

    I think the problem with Breonna Taylor is there was no instruction I think there should always be a shout who you are before going in. As for George no it was the knee on the neck unless you have 100% proof it was the drugs in his system.

    I have no problem with the protests but the looting and vandalism is just wrong and seriously undermines the reasons for the protests.


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    #3666
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It is incredibly moreish. I suppose in your eyes, it's a horrible drug?

    I've never had the pleasure, why would you suppose that?


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    #3667
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭ [Deleted User]


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    I've never had the pleasure, why would you suppose that?

    Your comment about having a bit of it in the morning. Care to clarify what you meant.


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    #3668
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Your comment about having a bit of it in the morning. Care to clarify what you meant.

    Certainly a muinteoir, do i need my solicitor present?


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    #3669
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭ [Deleted User]


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Certainly a muinteoir, do i need my solicitor present?

    Not at all. Just intrigued on your opinion about fentanyl.


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    #3670
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    love to give it a shot but too chicken


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    #3671
    Broadstone Bob
    Registered Users Posts: 131 ✭✭Broadstone Bob


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yet another extremist right wing Twitter account. Interesting people you follow on Twitter.

    As far as I'm aware, Wisconsin doesn't have a stand your ground gun law. It has one to do with protecting your property. He didn't have any property in Kenosha. He didn't have any right to shoot people indiscriminately. I know he's only a kid but he'll be an old man before he gets out of prison.

    I got that from his lawyers twitter account. Again you are alluding to me being right wing just because I don't agree with you.

    FYI no left wing twitter accounts are posting videos of the riots, looting or violence happening across America in the name of the BLM movement


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    #3672
    Broadstone Bob
    Registered Users Posts: 131 ✭✭Broadstone Bob


    statesaver wrote: »
    Colion Noir take on the Kyle Rittenhouse shooting


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSU9ZvnudFE&feature=youtu.be

    Best summary Ive seen so far thanks.
    Anyone who thinks Rittenhouse was some nazi who went out to kill black people (as is being said by the far left nut jobs) should watch this video.
    A lawyer (who happens to be black) who clearly knows what he is talking about.


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    #3673
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,674 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Broadstone Bob wrote: »
    Best summary Ive seen so far thanks.
    Anyone who thinks Rittenhouse was some nazi who went out to kill black people (as is being said by the far left nut jobs) should watch this video.
    A lawyer (who happens to be black) who clearly knows what he is talking about.

    Well, that gun business owning and second amendment advocate has definitely changed my mind.


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    #3674
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,553 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Overheal wrote: »
    No he only had 11 ng/mL fentanyl in his system. It’s not what killed him.
    Don't know about that...
    The recommended serum concentration for analgesia is 1–2 ng/ml and for anaesthesia it is 10–20 ng/ml. Blood concentrations of approximately 7 ng/ml or greater have been associated with fatalities where poly-substance use was involved.
    https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/drug-profiles/fentanyl_en

    what else did he have in his system?


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    #3675
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,393 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    Don't know about that...


    https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/drug-profiles/fentanyl_en

    what else did he have in his system?

    11.8 ng/mL was the control group in the study I posted the other day and therefore I don’t thing the data really supports that charge. The folks in the study who died of an overdose had 20-28 ng/mL or more in their system.


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    #3676
    Broadstone Bob
    Registered Users Posts: 131 ✭✭Broadstone Bob


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Well, that gun business owning and second amendment advocate has definitely changed my mind.

    Well ill be damned. A social justice warrior succumbing to facts


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    #3677
    AbusesToilets
    Registered Users Posts: 10,491 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Overheal wrote: »
    11.8 ng/mL was the control group in the study I posted the other day and therefore I don’t thing the data really supports that charge. The folks in the study who died of an overdose had 20-28 ng/mL or more in their system.

    He also had a pre-existing heart condition and covid iirc. A nice cocktail of factors.


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    #3678
    Broadstone Bob
    Registered Users Posts: 131 ✭✭Broadstone Bob


    here is new footage of when Rosenbaum starts to charge at Rittenbaum who immediately runs into the car lot and is trapped between Rosenbaum and other BLM protesters smashing up cars.

    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1299785044282671104?s=20


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    #3679
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    statesaver wrote: »
    If they had followed Police instructions they would be alive now, well maybe not George. The drugs in his system would of killed him.

    Rice was shot on the spot.... He was twelve.


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    #3680
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,553 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Overheal wrote: »
    11.8 ng/mL was the control group in the study I posted the other day and therefore I don’t thing the data really supports that charge. The folks in the study who died of an overdose had 20-28 ng/mL or more in their system.

    Control group? You mean they died while high on fentanyl, rather than died of an overdose of fentanyl, don't know if they were poly drug users either


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    #3681
    martingriff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,996 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    He also had a pre-existing heart condition and covid iirc. A nice cocktail of factors.

    Ya the police officer should be given an apology and his job back maybe some compensation also


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    #3682
    Broadstone Bob
    Registered Users Posts: 131 ✭✭Broadstone Bob


    Broadstone Bob wrote: »
    here is new footage of when Rosenbaum starts to charge at Rittenbaum who immediately runs into the car lot and is trapped between Rosenbaum and other BLM protesters smashing up cars.

    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1299785044282671104?s=20

    The first shooter (handgun into the air) has been doxed on twitter. They were standing in front of Rittenhouse when Rosenbaum initially started to run at him

    https://twitter.com/FenixAmmunition/status/1299737773495275521?s=20


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    #3683
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,393 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    He also had a pre-existing heart condition and covid iirc. A nice cocktail of factors.

    And something like half of all Americans have co-morbidities.

    So it sounds like police reform needs to happen that accounts for the fact that not all suspects, fewer than half of them, may be in great health to begin with.


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    #3684
    1800_Ladladlad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,364 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    I can guarantee that if he was shot dead there would be many people like there are on here, would be falling over themselves to defend and justify this kind of behavior that gets you killed! I was surprised that the other two woman getting involved and putting hands on the officers weren't moved shoved or got it.

    https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1299749460486963200


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    #3685
    Broadstone Bob
    Registered Users Posts: 131 ✭✭Broadstone Bob


    Broadstone Bob wrote: »
    The first shooter (handgun into the air) has been doxed on twitter. They were standing in front of Rittenhouse when Rosenbaum initially started to run at him

    https://twitter.com/FenixAmmunition/status/1299737773495275521?s=20

    https://twitter.com/FenixAmmunition/status/1299737773495275521?s=20


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    #3686
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,393 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    Control group? You mean they died while high on fentanyl, rather than died of an overdose of fentanyl, don't know if they were poly drug users either

    No they were the natural control group.


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    #3687
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,553 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Overheal wrote: »
    No they were the natural control group.
    Transdermal fentanyl, an opioid used for management of marked pain, also is abused and may cause death.We reviewed medical examiner reports of 92 decedents who had one or more fentanyl transdermal patches on their body and had fentanyl detected in their postmortem toxicology analysis.The manners of death included 40 accidents, 36 natural, 8 suicides, 5 therapeutic complications, and 3 undetermined deaths. Among the accidental fentanyl intoxication deaths, 32 of 37 involved substance abuse. The majority (95 %) of the 37 accidental deaths involving fentanyl were multi-drug intoxications. The substance abuse deaths had a mean fentanyl blood concentration (26.4 ng/ml or μg/L) that was over twice that of the natural group (11.8 ng/ml).

    I don't know, I'd presume natural deaths would include people in palliative care, using fentanyl for pain management


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    #3688
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,393 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    Transdermal fentanyl, an opioid used for management of marked pain, also is abused and may cause death.We reviewed medical examiner reports of 92 decedents who had one or more fentanyl transdermal patches on their body and had fentanyl detected in their postmortem toxicology analysis.The manners of death included 40 accidents, 36 natural, 8 suicides, 5 therapeutic complications, and 3 undetermined deaths. Among the accidental fentanyl intoxication deaths, 32 of 37 involved substance abuse. The majority (95 %) of the 37 accidental deaths involving fentanyl were multi-drug intoxications. The substance abuse deaths had a mean fentanyl blood concentration (26.4 ng/ml or μg/L) that was over twice that of the natural group (11.8 ng/ml).

    I don't know, I'd presume natural deaths would include people in palliative care, using fentanyl for pain management

    What we learn from the study is that they reviewed 92 dead people who:
    1. had one or more fentanyl transdermal patches on their body
    2. had fentanyl detected in their postmortem toxicology analysis

    We know from it, that the manner of death of the subjects was:
    • 40/92 accidental
      • 37/40 were accidental deaths involving multi-drug intoxication
        • 32/37 involved substance abuse had a mean fentanyl blood concentration of 24 mg/mL
    • 36/92 natural causes - this group had a mean fentanyl blood concentration of 11.8 ng/mL
    • 8/92 suicides
    • 5/92 therapeutic complications (this would probably include palliative care)
    • 3/92 undetermined

    And we know from George Floyd's postmortem toxicology report that he had a fentanyl blood concentration of 11 ng/mL

    Ergo, I find it incredibly hard to believe that fentanyl is the supermajority factor in his death, vs the knee to his neck for 7 mins and 46 seconds.


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    #3689
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,393 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    I can guarantee that if he was shot dead there would be many people like there are on here, would be falling over themselves to defend and justify this kind of behavior that gets you killed!

    :rolleyes:

    You're presupposing quite a lot there. It's also no way to foster a positive discussion.


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    #3690
    Chris_Heilong
    Registered Users Posts: 4,974 ✭✭✭Chris_Heilong


    I just seen the left wing media in America are now doing a 180 and saying what the rest of us have been saying for a long time, ie the majority of Black people do not want the police defunded, they are important in order to keep crime down in black neighborhoods.


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    #3691
    [Deleted User]
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    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    Don't know about that...


    https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/drug-profiles/fentanyl_en

    what else did he have in his system?

    You don't know what you are talking about. Heard of tolerance? I've seen higher therapeutic doses off a 100mcg fentanyl 3/7. But keep victim blaming. It's not the neck restraint. It's the drugs. Sure;)

    You do realise there are therapeutic uses for fentanyl, champ?


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