BLM, or WLM? [MOD WARNING: FIRST POST]

BloodBath

Deleted User wrote: »

It kinda speaks more to how backwards the US regarding their gun laws than anything else. Doesn't happen in any EU country or Japan or Australia.

This. Apart from the GF case which I think was murder by the police. The majority of these violent incidents and problems with police stem from the dumb ass gun laws.

The police are on edge because anyone can have a gun and life or death is often a split second decision so mistakes happen. I wouldn't like to be a cop in any of these cities with open or concealed carry laws. Even without those guns are all over the place.

That's just 1 of the problems with the gun laws. The crazy amount of murders, mass shootings and intimidation is another. It's a failed system that needs to change but good luck trying to disarm these people.

biko

Overheal wrote: »

And yet so many people here oversimplify this whole issue down to “blacks commit half the crimes on record etc”

If you check you'll find it's just for homicides 1980-2008
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

DeadHand

The unconditional defense, justification, downplaying and rationalisation of BLM hate crimes emanating from certain quarters is reaching Comical Ali levels of absurdity.

At its core, the ideology of BLM is based on resentment and a misguided, vicious desire for vengeance. Hence, nothing but rage and violence can come of it.

The ultimate irony being that the activities of BLM/Antifa creates thousands of new Trump voters every day.

These movements create nothing else.

DeadHand

DeadHand wrote: »

These movements create nothing else.

As much as I dislike the manner in which BLM and their 'associated' chapters operate, they have promoted the needs of the African American communities, and through their relative success in getting peoples attention, will provide motivation to future activists who want a more equal society.

There's always going to be a series of positives and negatives to a movement such as BLM. The point is to realise that BLM in itself has corrupted itself and lost the original value it represented. However, that's not to say it can't be an inspiration to other AA activists wanting to achieve equality and a removal/reduction of the racism that exists within American society.

Just as the Black Panthers, for all the negativity associated with them, provided some positive momentum towards the civil rights movement for those people who dabbled with the more extreme elements, but later, chose the more peaceful approach to obtaining civil rights.

The danger here is to look at BLM as an absolute negative, because then, you're simply giving BLM supporters permission to feel (further) victimized.

Juza1973

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The danger here is to look at BLM as an absolute negative, because then, you're simply giving BLM supporters permission to feel (further) victimized.

Somebody must maintain the promises that they made in their place, this is obvious.

Biafranlivemat

Tell me how wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ACLEDINFO/status/1301897036799901696

The bLM mob hate counter-demonstrators, because it shows that normal people are standing up to the bullies.

Best part
A dumbass so called teacher from Lynn

'Lynn teacher Davia Moore showed up to what she thought was simply a BLM standout and was overwhelmed by the number of vocal police supporters waving enormous “thin blue line” flags and blasting music from speakers set in the beds of pickup trucks. “It feels aggressive. It feels like people are crowding our space,” she said through tears.'


https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/09/03/back-the-blue-and-black-lives-matter-protests-face-off-in-danvers/

Juza1973

Juza1973 wrote: »

Somebody must maintain the promises that they made in their place, this is obvious.

Why?

You might think it's obvious, but I'm missing your point.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

The danger here is to look at BLM as an absolute negative, because then, you're simply giving BLM supporters permission to feel (further) victimized.

BLM is an absolute negative. It's absolute bull****

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

BLM is an absolute negative. It's absolute bull****

The movement itself as an organisation is shockingly bad, and what its shown itself to "stand" for... no argument there. However, there will be some positives that spawn from it's existence.

I'm not trying to defend BLM here. I absolutely abhor the attitude of reverse racism, racial superiority, and anarchistic rhetoric that has come from them. Still.. I would suggest that projecting them as an absolute negative is dangerous.

BLM is simply a sign of the times in the US. An extreme reaction to the current situation. Just like Trump was an extreme reaction to the way US society had evolved. The US likes to lean heavily towards extremes.

Normal One

LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoTFS3g7PNI

gozunda

DeadHand wrote: »

The unconditional defense, justification, downplaying and rationalisation of BLM hate crimes emanating from certain quarters is reaching Comical Ali levels of absurdity.

At its core, the ideology of BLM is based on resentment and a misguided, vicious desire for vengeance. Hence, nothing but rage and violence can come of it.

The ultimate irony being that the activities of BLM/Antifa creates thousands of new Trump voters every day.

These movements create nothing else.

It appears that a significant number of the major media channels (with a small number of exceptions tbf) are apparently reluctant to accurately report on whats happening. Whether from a fear of being accused of bias, racism or similar is unknown.

Press outlets have generally tried to downplay the violent aspects of the protests, sometimes going to absurd lengths. CNN’s Omar Jimenez reported live from Kenosha in front of burning businesses while a chyron described the scene as “fiery but mostly peaceful protests.” The narrative “buildings burn at peaceful protest” is Orwellian doublethink in action. 

Link

Currently the main sources of such information
comes from independent or foreign journalists or reporters on the ground - with it being nigh on impossible to keep up to date with whats happening from much of main stream media. The poplulist coverage being akin to "nothing to see here - just move along" or wtte.

The narrative appears to be pushing the idea that there is little to suggest that demonstrators / protestors are engaging in any violence whatsoever despite livefeed reports showing otherwise.

Notably the "Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project"- had published an analysis of data collected from various media reports (as a means of recording protest data as either violent and non-violent) However considing the paucity of such reports coming from the media - one wonders whether the findings and anslysis can be in any way representative of the true state of what is happening on the ground tbh.

Tell me how

gozunda wrote: »

Interestingly I have found that a search for specific updates on recent protests - resulted in finding very little detailed mainstream media coverage

It appears that a significant number of the major media channels are apparently reluctant to accurately report on whats happening. Whether from a fear of being accused of bias, racism or similar is unknown.

Currently the main sources of such information
comes rom independent or foreign journalists or reporters on the ground - with it being nigh on impossible to keep up to date with whats happening from the main stream media. The poplulist coverage being akin to "nothing to see here - just move along" or wtte.

The narrative appears to be pushing the idea that there is little to suggest that demonstrators / protestors are engaging in any violence whatsover despite livefeed reports showing otherwise.

Notably the "Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project"- had published an analysis of data collected from various media reports (as a means of recording protest data as either violent and non-violent) However considing the paucity of such reports coming from the media - one wonders whether the findings and anslysis can be in any way representative of the true state of nation.

By accurately, you mean in a manner you agree with.

It doesn't work like that.

You are quick to decry any reports which show the BLM protests as being largely peaceful, either produce evidence to the contrary for it to be discussed, or accept that that is indeed the case.

some.guy

If only this movement wasn't so fixated on race and instead just focused on the supposed issues of police brutality and a lack equality of opportunity. Dealing with those issues would indirectly resolve any racial issues. And it wouldn't further divide people.

gozunda

Tell me how wrote: »

By accurately, you mean in a manner you agree with. It doesn't work like that. You are quick to decry any reports which show the BLM protests as being largely peaceful, either produce evidence to the contrary for it to be discussed, or accept that that is indeed the case.

Interesting that the only thing you took from that was that the facts outlined don't match with your personal opinion .

And wrong. And that means as 'accurately' as seen in live coverage from mainly independent and foreign journalist sources.

I personally would be unhappy to rely on single source stream media reports for reasons stated above.

Resort to the attacking the poster as you will. Eitherway it doesn't change the fact that people can view the frequently violent and graphic footage coming directly from many of these protests.

There's plenty of footage already posted on this thread without demands of 'proof' from those who would strangely deny what is happening.

Carfacemandog

Earlier this week we had a elected Republican official with white supremacist ties who had to give up their job as a cop for assaulting a black person, threatening to murder people on Facebook

Now we have another openly encouraging people to burn down the houses of a tone supporting the BLM movement. Not the riots, not even the protests, just the general concept of Black Lives Matter.

gozunda

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Earlier this week we had a elected Republican official with white supremacist ties who had to give up their job as a cop for assaulting a black person, threatening to murder people on Facebook

Now we have another openly encouraging people to burn down the houses of a tone supporting the BLM movement. Not the riots, not even the protests, just the general concept of Black Lives Matter.

https://boston.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3859903/2020/09/jamesspillane.jpg

Plenty of that by eejits all over social media coming from both sides tbf. But why encourage tit for tat crap like that? It simply encourages more hatred. What good does it do anyone? Answer: It doesn't

Tell me how

gozunda wrote: »

Interesting that the only thing you took from that was that the facts outlined don't match with your personal opinion .

And wrong. And that means as 'accurately' as seen in live coverage from mainly independent and foreign journalist sources.

I personally would be unhappy to realy on single source stream media reports for reasons stated above.

Resort to the attacking the poster as you will. Eitherway it doesn't change the fact that people can directly view the frequently violent and graphic footage coming directly from many of these protests.

There's plenty of footage already posted on this thread without demands of 'proof' from those who would strangely deny what is happening.

Pointing out that you have no argument other than saying your opinion is correct is not attacking the poster.

gozunda

Tell me how wrote:

Pointing out that you have no argument other than saying your opinion is correct is not attacking the poster.

Ah the standard response when you have lost the argument I see -

Yet still attempting to claim that somehow your opinion trumps the first hand reports and on the ground footage of these protests?

There's plenty of that footage already posted on this thread if you wish to see what is really happening.

What remains is that the constant screeching of "nothing to see here" and everyone else is wrong doesn't really wash tbh.

1800_Ladladlad

Yep

https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/status/1302476141219905536

1800_Ladladlad

Christ. Are RTE that desperate.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1302518218574135296

LessOutragePlz

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Christ. Are RTE that desperate.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1302518218574135296

RTE are some joke, they're trying to throw him a pity party and we're all invited :rolleyes: .

He only has himself to blame for what happened to him.

biko

biko wrote: »

The alleged murderer of Aaron Danielson, Michael Reinoehl, shot dead in firefight with arresting police.

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/09/man-sought-in-the-fatal-downtown-portland-shooting-reported-to-have-been-killed-by-officers-in-wa.html

Surveillence shows Michael Reinoehl hiding in an alcove as Danielson and Pappas walks by, then pursuing them and killing Danielson.

https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/09/04/portland-police-search-warrant-includes-new-details-about-fatal-shooting-of-aaron-danielson/

Here the murderer is hiding in the alcove on the right preparing to pull his gun, while the victims walks past in black and white tops.



The gun was apparently supplied by the murderer's own son

An Aug. 7 text message to the younger Reinoehl from somebody identified in his contacts as "Dad" (presumably Reinoehl) made an unusual request:

"Sell me the gun for a quarter pound of weed and $100 i'm getting tired of this **** i need a piece now," the text said.

biko

Washington Post staff writer

Protesters are now blocking media from filming their demonstration, shining lights into a reporter’s face, blocking shots with fans umbrellas and following like “minders”

After stepping away from the BLM march and being followed to a bus stop — which temporarily caused the entire demo to pause on Connecticut Ave — I’m sitting here with five young protesters performing their duty as media minders.

https://twitter.com/KunkleFredrick/status/1302424153564352513?s=20

LuasSimon

Birmingham in England last night had a massive stabbing competition between rival gangs over drug distribution in the club area of Birmingham .
Where are the BLM protestors to see the carry on , one dead and 7 others serious stab wounds .

gozunda

biko wrote: »

Washington Post staff writer

Protesters are now blocking media from filming their demonstration, shining lights into a reporter’s face, blocking shots with fans umbrellas and following like “minders”

https://twitter.com/KunkleFredrick/status/1302424153564352513?s=20

More of that here. This time organised attacks on business premises with accomplices using umbrellas to hide the guy smashing windows

https://nypost.com/2020/09/05/blm-protesters-smash-nyc-starbucks-window-in-stunning-video/

This movement, people aren’t standing up against the violence and the looting,” ... “I think it’s a just cause, but from the governor to the mayor to people in the movement, they need to denounce the violence, and that’s not happening.”

# Another Peaceful Protest #Nothing to see here

Mr. Karate

Normal One wrote: »

LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoTFS3g7PNI

I bet I know exactly when Xir started to believe in Jesus. Because you can bet at that very moment Xir started to pray to him.

"Communism is the way of the future"

Despite it not having any moment of success throughout history.

Does anyone here actually agree with the black lives matter manifesto?

Tell me how

Deleted User wrote: »

Does anyone here actually agree with the black lives matter manifesto?

Can you print or link the manifesto you are referring to?

Mr. Karate

Deleted User wrote: »

Does anyone here actually agree with the black lives matter manifesto?

Its "We're Communists." and "Gimme, Gimme,Gimme"

They've raised billions of dollars and have done nothing to improve Black Communities, Send Black kids to College or anything useful.

1800_Ladladlad

Tell me how wrote: »

Can you print or link the manifesto you are referring to?

ffs