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1800_Ladladlad wrote: »Grandmaster Jay and creator of NFAC((Not F#ckin Around Coalition), NOT DJ of Run DMC.
Their solution to the current issues is to file a declaration of liberation declaring every African American who is a defendant of slavery a political prisoner in the US. They are saying that the US have a choice to give them land from the US, or they'll go somewhere they will give them their own land so that they can build their own nation.
https://twitter.com/SSG_PAIN/status/1279610929152327680
Lol.
Option 2. Sure where will they go?0 -
They are trying to eradicate them.
Defensive ? Look at history, they were the aggressor in the 6 day war and Attached their neighbours
Offence is often the greatest form of defense.They felt they had to set down a marker to prevent any of them nations getting any ideas,not saying it's right but in the context of their situation i can see why they did it and in reality that 6 day war terrible any loss of life is,might well have prevented future worse bloodshed.
Israel is going to exist and has a right to now at this point.I used to be an anti Israel head myself but its just extremists points pushed on everything these days.
They aren't exterminating anyone they are just using every means at their disposable to save Israeli lifes,which is commendable really,be nice if us Irish looked after our own the same.If their means is greater than Palestine's then that it is just life and it is pointless from their perspective to try and fight for unrealistic aims.
Most Palestinians and Israelis just want to be left alone to raise their kids in peace.When that Flotilla rubbish happened i thought at the time the Israelis were over the top but now i see it different.Outsiders shouldn't be interfering and encouraging rebellion or Statehood,they are treating them better than you might believe a lot of it is propaganda.Guarantee you there is a lot of Palestinians happier than a lot of Irish are right now.0 -
Many of the kibbutz were founded by people fleeing from pogroms. They began with utopian ideals of socialism and Zionism.0
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Hannibal36 wrote: »,they are treating them better than you might believe a lot of it is propaganda.
I work with Palestinians and they are not tested well. When ever they go back they have no idea if they’ll be left in. The Israelis may keep
Them away for days. They make elderly carry bags over great distances. When exiting they can’t bring laptops or chargers. We need to provide them with a new laptop as the Israelis confiscate them. Just some examples0 -
I work with Palestinians and they are not tested well. When ever they go back they have no idea if they’ll be left in. The Israelis may keep
Them away for days. They make elderly carry bags over great distances. When exiting they can’t bring laptops or chargers. We need to provide them with a new laptop as the Israelis confiscate them. Just some examples
Bad things happen to good people all the time, Irish kid gets stabbed mocked recorded humiliated online and he has no recourse because his attackers are minorities.He no doubt has to now live around and put up with the people that did that on a permanent basis,is what Palestinians face much worse than that?
Carry some bags lose some possessions,or be almost murdered recorded of said incident mocking and admissions online but no recourse for him.I would rather be any Palestinian than that Irish boy.0 -
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Lolololol lad, you haven't got a clue what BLM is clearly. POC just wanted to be treated with the same respect, giving the same chances and be judged for their actions and not their skin colour like white people are.I've never heard of her but if true it makes sense, BLM is a racist, antisemitic black supremacy group.
I'm all for an end to racism, but BLM is not that.
And, if you think that systemic racism isn't a thing, that is your white privilege showing. You have no idea what its like to live in a schooling system that was designed to use taxation from the district that school is in. Districts that, in the new deal, were specifically designed to keep POC together and away from white people.
You have no idea what its like to be stopped by police officers multiple times a year for no reason except the colour of your skin. Hell, two well known athletes were arrested yesterday after being stopped for the 10th, the fcuking 10th, time in 12 months in the UK.
When POC are 4 times less likely to get called for an interview because there name doesn't sound white. When POC have polling stations in their area massively reduced. When they are put in large districts that carry the same number of votes as small white districts. Get out of here saying they are racist. They offended your poor white sensibilities? GOOD! We need to have our privilege laid out for us.
As for being anti-semitic, Israel and its inhabitants and defenders take any slight on the country at all as antisemitic. Hell, most of the Universities in Ireland are considered antisemitic for supporting BDS. Its also a deflection as it allows Israelis to continue to harass the POC who live in Palestine.0 -
mrkiscool2 wrote: »Lolololol lad, you haven't got a clue what BLM is clearly. POC just wanted to be treated with the same respect, giving the same chances and be judged for their actions and not their skin colour like white people are.
And, if you think that systemic racism isn't a thing, that is your white privilege showing. You have no idea what its like to live in a schooling system that was designed to use taxation from the district that school is in. Districts that, in the new deal, were specifically designed to keep POC together and away from white people.
You have no idea what its like to be stopped by police officers multiple times a year for no reason except the colour of your skin. Hell, two well known athletes were arrested yesterday after being stopped for the 10th, the fcuking 10th, time in 12 months in the UK.
When POC are 4 times less likely to get called for an interview because there name doesn't sound white. When POC have polling stations in their area massively reduced. When they are put in large districts that carry the same number of votes as small white districts. Get out of here saying they are racist. They offended your poor white sensibilities? GOOD! We need to have our privilege laid out for us.
As for being anti-semitic, Israel and its inhabitants and defenders take any slight on the country at all as antisemitic. Hell, most of the Universities in Ireland are considered antisemitic for supporting BDS. Its also a deflection as it allows Israelis to continue to harass the POC who live in Palestine.
And you haven't a clue about life lad,but I wouldn't worry we all grow up sometime some just take longer than others but you will get there some day and when you look back on yourself talking about "white privilege" you will cringe.0 -
I actually have gone the other way. I cringe at the fact I used to say white privilege wasn't a thing. It is. But, good debate tactics. Just ignore everything else I said and hang onto that one little thing you don't think is true. Nice job.Hannibal36 wrote: »And you haven't a clue about life lad,but I wouldn't worry we all grow up sometime some just take longer than others but you will get there some day and when you look back on yourself talking about "white privilege" you will cringe.0 -
mrkiscool2 wrote: »I actually have gone the other way. I cringe at the fact I used to say white privilege wasn't a thing. It is. But, good debate tactics. Just ignore everything else I said and hang onto that one little thing you don't think is true. Nice job.
Its rubbish man,you just drinking the Kool aid and it just speaks to you having had an easy life.There is rich people and then there is everyone else fighting among themselves,age old divide and conquer tactics,but it seemingly never gets old same process been used for thousands of years but still it's able to be sold freshly naive individuals like yourself.Human behavior,it never changes,thousands of years falling for the same trick.0 -
mrkiscool2 wrote: »I actually have gone the other way. I cringe at the fact I used to say white privilege wasn't a thing. It is. But, good debate tactics. Just ignore everything else I said and hang onto that one little thing you don't think is true. Nice job.
I'm half white. Do I have white privilege, or do I have half of it?0 -
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mrkiscool2 wrote: »Lolololol lad, you haven't got a clue what BLM is clearly. POC just wanted to be treated with the same respect, giving the same chances and be judged for their actions and not their skin colour like white people are.
Black people might just want to be treated with respect and have the same chances as others, but BLM has a very different set of interests. Have you even bothered to look at how they're organised, and their founding principles?And, if you think that systemic racism isn't a thing, that is your white privilege showing. You have no idea what its like to live in a schooling system that was designed to use taxation from the district that school is in. Districts that, in the new deal, were specifically designed to keep POC together and away from white people.
If you think white privilege counts not knowing about American educational practices, then you haven't a clue what it's about....You have no idea what its like to be stopped by police officers multiple times a year for no reason except the colour of your skin. Hell, two well known athletes were arrested yesterday after being stopped for the 10th, the fcuking 10th, time in 12 months in the UK.
Actually I do. I've lived as white person in Asia. I've also traveled extensively through the Middle East and Western Africa. Being picked on due to the color of my skin is something that happens all around the world. Try living in China where they'll check your passport because they think you might be a spy... Yeah, that's fun. All because I'm white (or pink rather).
Are you a POC yourself? After all, you seem to be suggesting that White people can't experience racism or discrimination due to their skin color.... or understand what POC go through themselves, so I'm wondering at your insider knowledge.When POC are 4 times less likely to get called for an interview because there name doesn't sound white. When POC have polling stations in their area massively reduced. When they are put in large districts that carry the same number of votes as small white districts. Get out of here saying they are racist. They offended your poor white sensibilities? GOOD! We need to have our privilege laid out for us.
Our privilege? You're American then? Then why lay this crap on us, since Irish people or any White person outside of the States has absolutely no ability to influence what goes on there? (assuming that the average white person has any choice in what's going on, which I seriously doubt)
I love the laying out of the guilt! We finally get rid of the Catholic guilt, and now we have racial guilt to replace it. Original Sin! we're all responsible!
Unless you're any racial group that's not white. You do realise how racist you sound?As for being anti-semitic, Israel and its inhabitants and defenders take any slight on the country at all as antisemitic. Hell, most of the Universities in Ireland are considered antisemitic for supporting BDS. Its also a deflection as it allows Israelis to continue to harass the POC who live in Palestine.
Nothing stops Israel from doing whatever it wants to those living within or without it's borders.... You realise that many Israelis are POC too? As much as many of the POC's you refer to...0 -
I'm half white. Do I have white privilege, or do I have half of it?
Yeah isn't it hilarious when you think of it,the establishment is pushing on us that there is systemic racism that it's real and has to be combatted at every turn.
So the system is telling us there is systemic racism,you couldn't make it up,how people are still falling for it is beyond me.0 -
Hannibal36 wrote: »So the system is telling us there is systemic racism,you couldn't make it up,how people are still falling for it is beyond me.
The trick is they teach them at a young age. Then continually repeat all the way through college. It seems to be working a treat.
I saw this short clip on channel 4 earlier of a boy telling his mother "you just don't get it".
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The trick is they teach them at a young age. Then continually repeat all the way through college. It seems to be working a treat.
I saw this short clip on channel 4 earlier of a boy telling his mother "you just don't get it".
That is scary,what has education become at all.I think most intelligent people can see and accept that the way forward is stopping talking about colour as we are all the same species,we don't differentiate hair colour in school and talk about it so why bring this stuff to kids.0 -
Lol nice assumptions my dude. I have not had an easy life. And that's without racism being thrown on top of it as I am white. Also, you're "the rich are happy to see us fighting" doesn't really hold true when BLM also doesn't enjoy the fact most rich white people have built their wealth off the backs of POC. Including the owner of Avoca who abuses the Direct Provision situation to hire POC workers for sweet **** all.Hannibal36 wrote: »Its rubbish man,you just drinking the Kool aid and it just speaks to you having had an easy life.There is rich people and then there is everyone else fighting among themselves,age old divide and conquer tactics,but it seemingly never gets old same process been used for thousands of years but still it's able to be sold freshly naive individuals like yourself.Human behavior,it never changes,thousands of years falling for the same trick.0 -
Before I even start replying to this, I wanna say you are either a. Woefully ignorant or stupid or b. Are purposefully being obtuse and deliberately replying to points I never even made. Which is far worse and shows you that you actually don't care for discourse and are just trying to justify racism by not actually arguing the main points
Yup, I do. If you did you would know everything I said above actually is what they want. Not your idea of BLM being a terrorist group, or a group for black supremacy or what have you.[Deleted User] wrote: »Black people might just want to be treated with respect and have the same chances as others, but BLM has a very different set of interests. Have you even bothered to look at how they're organised, and their founding principles?
That's not even what I was talking about. I was talking about how the school system in America perpetuates a cycle of poverty which mostly affects POC. Are there some white kids in these districts too? Yes, but nowhere near as many proportionally as POC.If you think white privilege counts not knowing about American educational practices, then you haven't a clue what it's about....
Again, not the point I was trying to make at all. I was talking about how police in the UK and US and other first World countries disproportionately stop POC for hardly any reason, if there is a reason at all. As I mentioned above, two Olympic athletes had been stopped by UK police 10 times in the last 12 months. How many times have you been stopped here for your skin colour?Actually I do. I've lived as white person in Asia. I've also traveled extensively through the Middle East and Western Africa. Being picked on due to the color of my skin is something that happens all around the world. Try living in China where they'll check your passport because they think you might be a spy... Yeah, that's fun. All because I'm white (or pink rather).
Are you a POC yourself? After all, you seem to be suggesting that White people can't experience racism or discrimination due to their skin color.... or understand what POC go through themselves, so I'm wondering at your insider knowledge.
Also, lul at using an authoritarian country as an example for how racism affects everyone. If you had use Japan (which is a country that does have a racism problem too, though not to the extent of China) then I'd be more inclined to agree. But when everyone is systemically oppressed in China, its hard to just say "much racism". Also, in this instance, people aren't murdered in Japan or other Asian countries just because they are white. (Again, China can't be counted as it's an authoritarian regime)
Ah, grand then. I'll tell all the people in Direct Provision that they aren't being systemically oppressed. That they aren't the third biggest group to be affected by Covid19. That they aren't racially abused day in and day out. That they aren't being exploitated by companies. We, as a state, are directly culpable for the situation they are in. So yes, every white Irish person does share the blame for that. Because we elected the cowboys who thought DP was a fantastic idea in the first place.Our privilege? You're American then? Then why lay this crap on us, since Irish people or any White person outside of the States has absolutely no ability to influence what goes on there? (assuming that the average white person has any choice in what's going on, which I seriously doubt)
I love the laying out of the guilt! We finally get rid of the Catholic guilt, and now we have racial guilt to replace it. Original Sin! we're all responsible!
Unless you're any racial group that's not white. You do realise how racist you sound?
Also, you don't understand the definition of racism. Seeing as how the definition has recently changed, I'll forgive that one. And pointing out that white people have privilege isn't racist you insufferable imbecile
You do realise that Judaism is an ethnicity as well as a religion, right? So, Israelis are actually racist towards Palestinians as they are of different ethnicities. The same way its possible for white Irish people to be racist towards Irish travellers.Nothing stops Israel from doing whatever it wants to those living within or without it's borders.... You realise that many Israelis are POC too? As much as many of the POC's you refer to...
Before I finish, I do want to say that a lot of white people are not racist and white people, like me and others, having privilege is not in and of itself racist. However, when you deny it exists in an attempt to maintain the status quo, then it is racist.
Unless someone actually wants to have a discussion that isn't just strawman, ad hominems or straight up lies, I'll reply again. If not, then have at it. Just showing what kind of people you truly are0 -
mrkiscool2 wrote: »Lol nice assumptions my dude. I have not had an easy life. And that's without racism being thrown on top of it as I am white. Also, you're "the rich are happy to see us fighting" doesn't really hold true when BLM also doesn't enjoy the fact most rich white people have built their wealth off the backs of POC. Including the owner of Avoca who abuses the Direct Provision situation to hire POC workers for sweet **** all.
Well "my dude", you continue to treat "poc" as people who need your help. I'll just treat people based on their actions and character.
I have no privilege, no advantage and no guilt because of my race.
I'm sure by your rationale then you don't shop in Penney's or will boycott and not watch the world cup in Qatar and you regularly attend marches and do whatever you can for the slave workers in the Lebanon, Libya and Qatar?
Or, is it a case that it's handy to say you support BLM as some sort of way of appeasing the white guilt you seem to harbor?
Or is it Ireland you are talking about? What exactly is racist about ireland? There are racists (technically you are a racist yourself if you are prepared to judge a race based on the colour of their skin, but I'm sure that it's not counted as racism by people who support BLM), but that doesn't make it tolerated in society.
You can not stop people being racist. But you can ensure and strive for your society to not tolerate it. Do you think Ireland, as a country, has a racist problem?0 -
Not gonna reply to the stupid attacks or the strawman arguments. That's not the definition of racism though. Here are all the definitions of racism.[Deleted User] wrote: »Well "my dude", you continue to treat "poc" as people who need your help. I'll just treat people based on their actions and character.
I have no privilege, no advantage and no guilt because of my race.
I'm sure by your rationale then you don't shop in Penney's or will boycott and not watch the world cup in Qatar and you regularly attend marches and do whatever you can for the slave workers in the Lebanon, Libya and Qatar?
Or, is it a case that it's handy to say you support BLM as some sort of way of appeasing the white guilt you seem to harbor?
Or is it Ireland you are talking about? What exactly is racist about ireland? There are racists (technically you are a racist yourself if you are prepared to judge a race based on the colour of their skin, but I'm sure that it's not counted as racism by people who support BLM), but that doesn't make it tolerated in society.
You can not stop people being racist. But you can ensure and strive for your society to not tolerate it. Do you think Ireland, as a country, has a racist problem?
1. A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce and inherent superiority of a particular race.
2. Racial prejudice or discrimination
Neither of those say anything I said is racist. Saying white privilege is a thing isn't racist. If you can't grasp that fact I dunno what I can say to help you.0 -
mrkiscool2 wrote: »Not gonna reply to the stupid attacks or the strawman arguments. That's not the definition of racism though. Here are all the definitions of racism.
1. A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce and inherent superiority of a particular race.
2. Racial prejudice or discrimination
Neither of those say anything I said is racist. Saying white privilege is a thing isn't racist. If you can't grasp that fact I dunno what I can say to help you.
Saying that all white people are the beneficiaries of a privilege (regardless of their personal circumstances or situation) solely based on the colour of their skin is without a doubt racial prejudice and the textbook definition of a racist statement.
It's preposterous, untrue and insulting.
Of course you will ignore my "strawman" arguments. You need to in order for your BLM support to stand up.
As I said, you continue to pretend to care about "people of colour" to satiate your perceived guilt about how better you have it than them because you are white.
I will continue to treat people on their character and their actions, not on their skin colour.0 -
BLM protestors killed an 8 year old Child as her parents tried to get through a barrier in one of the Chaz zones that was set up in a few American cities, Two BML men started shooting at the car, they claimed they just wanted to shoot out the tyres but they ended up putting a bullet in a little girl.
For those not interested in listening to the video listen to the first two minutes which is the little black girls parents saying it.
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Deleted User wrote: »I will continue to treat people on their character and their actions, not on their skin colour.
Could you just advocate that all people do this instead of taking the angle that the BLM argument doesn't follow through for absolutely 100.00000% of cases?0 -
mrkiscool2 wrote: »Lol nice assumptions my dude. I have not had an easy life. And that's without racism being thrown on top of it as I am white. Also, you're "the rich are happy to see us fighting" doesn't really hold true when BLM also doesn't enjoy the fact most rich white people have built their wealth off the backs of POC. Including the owner of Avoca who abuses the Direct Provision situation to hire POC workers for sweet **** all.
You have had an easy life you just have been made believe you had a hard life,if you really suffered you would understand things a lot better.Once you truly understand the human condition better you will realise only Subjugated Weakened Whites can fall for this nonsense.
Once you are White spouting White privilege its like you put a big sign on your head that says Weak White middle class person here.Obviously you guys spouting this nonsense don't see it but believe me it is there for all to see,you could tell me anything you want about your life or how hard it was,but right now you occupy the position of Weak White middle class whether you like it or not that's where you are at.
Your other stuff about building anything on slaves,i could go on all night explaining where you are wrong and why.But you are just flat out factually wrong on everything you said,it's not even close to the truth.You need to learn your history more and not take everything from the BLM manual.0 -
Lolololol OK boomerHannibal36 wrote: »You have had an easy life you just have been made believe you had a hard life,if you really suffered you would understand things a lot better.Once you truly understand the human condition better you will realise only Subjugated Weakened Whites can fall for this nonsense.
Once you are White spouting White privilege its like you put a big sign on your head that says Weak White middle class person here.Obviously you guys spouting this nonsense don't see it but believe me it is there for all to see,you could tell me anything you want about your life or how hard it was,but right now you occupy the position of Weak White middle class whether you like it or not that's where you are at.
Your other stuff about building anything on slaves,i could go on all night explaining where you are wrong and why.But you are just flat out factually wrong on everything you said,it's not even close to the truth.You need to learn your history more and not take everything from the BLM manual.
Also, please prove me wrong. Would love to see you try.0 -
mrkiscool2 wrote: »Lolololol OK boomer
Also, please prove me wrong. Would love to see you try.
OK boomer makes you a teenager according to the internet,come back to me in 20 years you will have changed your tune.
Also this direct provision stuff being brought into arguments like it is somehow a position the Irish people took.
We didn't get asked whether we wanted loads of people being brought here and stuffed in bad conditions for years on end to then be released on the Country full of racism and bitterness towards Irish people because of their experience.Why would we want this?0 -
I mean, the people are directly responsible for putting those who came up with direct provision in power. So there is some blame there.Hannibal36 wrote: »OK boomer makes you a teenager according to the internet,come back to me in 20 years you will have changed your tune.
Also this direct provision stuff being brought into arguments like it is somehow a position the Irish people took.
We didn't get asked whether we wanted loads of people being brought here and stuffed in bad conditions for years on end to then be released on the Country full of racism and bitterness towards Irish people because of their experience.Why would we want this?
But come on, you said you could prove me wrong. Do it. I'm happy to be proven wrong.
But, one more time
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mrkiscool2 wrote: »I mean, the people are directly responsible for putting those who came up with direct provision in power. So there is some blame there.
But come on, you said you could prove me wrong. Do it. I'm happy to be proven wrong.
But, one more time
OK. Boomer
Your position on this is part of your identity right now because your social circle thinks the same as you,you cannot be swayed because your position is part of who you are.
Hopefully you grow in strength and confidence and forge out on your own,start thinking for yourself and learn to be truly free,then the knowledge will flow into your brain,but until that happens you can't be convinced even with proof.0 -
lol so you have no proof? You are just spewing nonsense?Hannibal36 wrote: »Your position on this is part of your identity right now because your social circle thinks the same as you,you cannot be swayed because your position is part of who you are.
Hopefully you grow in strength and confidence and forge out on your own,start thinking for yourself and learn to be truly free,then the knowledge will flow into your brain,but until that happens you can't be convinced even with proof.0 -
mrkiscool2 wrote: »lol so you have no proof? You are just spewing nonsense?
It's not easy to disprove a negative. Better you prove white privilege exists by giving examples of it.
I'm sure you'll say "But black people are stopped by the police more", but they also commit more crimes.
I'm sure you'll say "But black people are shot more disproportionately by the police" but then I'll say there are other extenuating circumstances, black people generally are armed more often.
The problem with this focus on race doesn't solve any actual problems.
It's akin to a plane going down and focusing on why 50% of the people who died in it were black when the country only has 25% black people. (Maybe the plane was returning from a BLM conference?) Better to focus on what happened to the plane and it's engine, it's flight log etc.. then to focus on why more black people were killed.0 -
mrkiscool2 wrote: »lol so you have no proof? You are just spewing nonsense?
Experience is the only proof that will work on you,you have lived a cushy life in a bubble.
You only see POC victims of injustice,you care about Black American criminals lives more than you do about Irish children,again its not your fault that you don't know what is going on around you but fact is you don't,and if you knew half of what was going on in this little country of ours you definitely would not be thinking that White Privilege exists.0 -
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mrkiscool2 wrote: »Lolololol lad, you haven't got a clue what BLM is clearly. POC just wanted to be treated with the same respect, giving the same chances and be judged for their actions and not their skin colour like white people are.
And, if you think that systemic racism isn't a thing, that is your white privilege showing. You have no idea what its like to live in a schooling system that was designed to use taxation from the district that school is in. Districts that, in the new deal, were specifically designed to keep POC together and away from white people.
You have no idea what its like to be stopped by police officers multiple times a year for no reason except the colour of your skin. Hell, two well known athletes were arrested yesterday after being stopped for the 10th, the fcuking 10th, time in 12 months in the UK.
When POC are 4 times less likely to get called for an interview because there name doesn't sound white. When POC have polling stations in their area massively reduced. When they are put in large districts that carry the same number of votes as small white districts. Get out of here saying they are racist. They offended your poor white sensibilities? GOOD! We need to have our privilege laid out for us.
As for being anti-semitic, Israel and its inhabitants and defenders take any slight on the country at all as antisemitic. Hell, most of the Universities in Ireland are considered antisemitic for supporting BDS. Its also a deflection as it allows Israelis to continue to harass the POC who live in Palestine.
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