BLM, or WLM? [MOD WARNING: FIRST POST]

AbusesToilets · 12-10-2020 7:24pm

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

Problem is, it would be almost impossible to prove that they weren’t tied. The 3 officers who attended the young man clearly are not to be believed and the bystander who reported the incident maybe didn’t see it. But however, the seeds of doubt are sow, Crump doesn’t have to name his ‘source’, so no chance of it coming back to bite him.

The losers here are the black community and the police.

BLM in a nutshell

20Cent · 12-10-2020 7:48pm

nullzero wrote: »

This type of delusional nonsense wouldn't be tolerated if the roles of left and right were reversed. Why should anyone take what you're saying seriously? Because the left are pious and should never be questioned? Pull the other one.

Because there have been several arrests of far right agitators showing up at BLM marches.its a common tactic. They are willing to kidnap a governor so creating trouble and rioting to smear BLM is very likely.

Cordell · 12-10-2020 7:54pm

Clearly BLM is a far right creation, it's the only way it makes sense

nullzero · 12-10-2020 8:46pm

20Cent wrote: »

Because there have been several arrests of far right agitators showing up at BLM marches.its a common tactic. They are willing to kidnap a governor so creating trouble and rioting to smear BLM is very likely.

BLM are perfectly capable of smearing themselves thank you very much.
So we are meant to believe that any violence at BLM protests can be attributed to a conspiracy by the far right? No problem, sounds perfectly credible...

ProfessorPlum · 12-10-2020 10:09pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

Well if the cops aren't to be believed, what about the guy who did the autopsy? Or is Crump claiming he is telling lies too? Surely there'd be ligature marks on the guy's wrists if his hands were tied.

Which is why I find the claim hard to believe. While the autopsy report hasn’t been released, the medical examiner is reported to have said that there were no other injuries (apart from the facial injuries I mentioned earlier). Ligatures on wrists/ankles etc would be a very significant finding, and very difficult to miss post mortem. He’d be likely to have sustained other injuries too in an assault. I’d like to know where Crump got his ‘hands tied’ information from. Might be a tip off from a third party trying to stir things up too. All a bit not addy up.

kildare lad · 12-10-2020 10:34pm

20Cent wrote: »

Because there have been several arrests of far right agitators showing up at BLM marches.its a common tactic. They are willing to kidnap a governor so creating trouble and rioting to smear BLM is very likely.

Only several arrests of far right protestors ?? Do you know there's been over 10,000 people arrested since george Floyd was killed , several arrests versus 10 thousand arrests , it's not the far right causing most of the trouble , although you'd probably blow it off the result of systemic racism or oppression or slavery etc etc etc

Overheal · 12-10-2020 10:48pm

kildare lad wrote: »

Only several arrests of far right protestors ?? Do you know there's been over 10,000 people arrested since george Floyd was killed , several arrests versus 10 thousand arrests

Since we don't have an accurate figure for it - whether it is 3, or 3 thousand right wing agitators, the honest terminology here is "several." Or perhaps "an unknown number" of right wing agitators.

Thousands of arrests, certainly. I remember watching the livestreams, nightly for a while there. Would it surprise you to learn that hundreds of arrests at a time were performed by the NYPD for example, for curfew violation? That isn't rioting, that isn't looting, that isn't violent. At one point that Saturday iirc I was watching when NYPD ushered in most protesters to the bridges, then, closed off both ends of those bridges, and arrested everyone on those bridges. You're talking hundreds+ people all arrested in one go, for curfew violation! There and in other places particularly like Los Angeles, the police frequently arrested people who literally had nothing to do with the protests - a lot of homeless, for example, were swept up in mass arrests and bussed off to holding facilities.

So it's an impressive number, ten thousand. Isn't that how many Uruk-Hai besieged Helms Deep during the War of the Ring? But, it is low fidelity information, we don't have a breakdown of how many people were arrested where, when, or for what offense, and whether they were successfully convicted or if their arrest was later dismissed or expunged.

20Cent · 12-10-2020 11:24pm

nullzero wrote: »

BLM are perfectly capable of smearing themselves thank you very much.
So we are meant to believe that any violence at BLM protests can be attributed to a conspiracy by the far right? No problem, sounds perfectly credible...

I was referring to the Lincoln statue, you are making it out to be something else.

ProfessorPlum · 12-10-2020 11:32pm

NY Times reporting the Lincoln & Roosevelt statues were damaged as a protest supporting Native Americans. Which would make sense as today is ‘Indigenous Peoples Day of Rage’ , aka Columbus Day.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/us/portland-lincoln-statue-roosevelt.amp.html

biko · 12-10-2020 11:48pm

BLM shot up a cafe because they have first responders on the walls and are police friendly.

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/10/man-firing-gun-in-se-portland-drew-officers-from-sunday-nights-downtown-protest-portlands-police-chief-says.html

Overheal · 12-10-2020 11:55pm

biko wrote: »

BLM shot up a cafe

Identity has been verified?

ProfessorPlum · 13-10-2020 12:19am

Overheal wrote: »

Identity has been verified?

Well the twitter profile has BLM all over it, so........ducks come to mind.

biko · 13-10-2020 12:33am

Will have to wait for confirmation but considering how trigger-happy Antifa/BLM are of late...

AbusesToilets · 13-10-2020 12:33am

Overheal wrote: »

Since we don't have an accurate figure for it - whether it is 3, or 3 thousand right wing agitators, the honest terminology here is "several." Or perhaps "an unknown number" of right wing agitators.

Thousands of arrests, certainly. I remember watching the livestreams, nightly for a while there. Would it surprise you to learn that hundreds of arrests at a time were performed by the NYPD for example, for curfew violation? That isn't rioting, that isn't looting, that isn't violent. At one point that Saturday iirc I was watching when NYPD ushered in most protesters to the bridges, then, closed off both ends of those bridges, and arrested everyone on those bridges. You're talking hundreds+ people all arrested in one go, for curfew violation! There and in other places particularly like Los Angeles, the police frequently arrested people who literally had nothing to do with the protests - a lot of homeless, for example, were swept up in mass arrests and bussed off to holding facilities.

So it's an impressive number, ten thousand. Isn't that how many Uruk-Hai besieged Helms Deep during the War of the Ring? But, it is low fidelity information, we don't have a breakdown of how many people were arrested where, when, or for what offense, and whether they were successfully convicted or if their arrest was later dismissed or expunged.

I'd say a more impressive number is the >$1BN in damages from the rioting and looting

Tell me how · 13-10-2020 12:43am

AbusesToilets wrote: »

I'd say a more impressive number is the >$1BN in damages from the rioting and looting

If this is a numbers game for you.

Black families in Chicago lost between $3 billion and $4 billion in wealth because of predatory housing contracts during the 1950s and 1960s, according to a new report released Thursday.

That's one way people in Black communities lost out in monetary terms.
In one time period.
In one city.

Tell me how · 13-10-2020 12:43am

biko wrote: »

Will have to wait for confirmation but considering how trigger-happy Antifa/BLM are of late...

Amazing the concern about Antifa/BLM when the ones plotting a coup are right wingers, the ones identified by the FBI as being the biggest threat are right wingers and the ones who are said to be preparing for war are right wingers.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/10/08/feds-thwart-militia-plot-kidnap-michigan-gov-gretchen-whitmer/5922301002/

https://www.statesman.com/news/20201009/fact-check-did-fbi-director-warn-about-white-supremacist-violence

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/right-wing-militias-civil-war/616473/

Overheal · 13-10-2020 1:03am

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

Well the twitter profile has BLM all over it, so........ducks come to mind.

The twitter account committed the shooting?

Overheal · 13-10-2020 1:04am

Tell me how wrote: »

If this is a numbers game for you.

That's one way people in Black communities lost out in monetary terms.
In one time period.
In one city.

I already gave them the numbers for the damages from the LA Riots (in 2020 money, $1.85Bn) - and that was only 6 days in one city.

Chris_Heilong · 13-10-2020 2:00am

Tim Pool interviews the leader of the Proud Boys, Didnt Joe Biden more or less call them white supremist? I think truth matters and from seeing the interview with this black man I can see Biden does not know what he is talking about and does them a dis-service by racializing them. Worth watching for those that are new to all this as I know those that support Antifa are not open minded enough to even watch the video.

Overheal · 13-10-2020 2:46am

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I know those that support Antifa are not open minded enough to even watch the video.

No need for this crap.

Nevermind the fact that it's not really a 'video' - It's a livestream, and at time of this post is stillllll streaming. Close to 2 hours now. Are you seriously and objectively endorsing a need to watch 1 hour and 45 minutes (and still going) streaming pile of podcast? What is anyone actually going to learn, here? What did you take away from it? How about we discuss that instead of mandating people watch a 2 hour video before they are considered 'open minded' enough to have the conversation.

ProfessorPlum · 13-10-2020 8:03am

Overheal wrote: »

The twitter account committed the shooting?

That sounds like a NRA type argument tbh. Surprised from you.

kildare lad · 13-10-2020 10:19am

International glasses day with antifa

Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) Tweeted:
Arrested at the violent #antifa Portland protest & quickly released:

Sara S. Rider, 30, arrested again https://t.co/hqyvPmgRVe

Kelsey Marley, 26 https://t.co/aUwhOxHiMA

Madeline Kay, 23 https://t.co/n916ncAXA1

Molly Peterson, 18; arrested again https://t.co/1ScuClSF8d https://t.co/JygTUwPI57 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1315738303677771777?s=20

ProfessorPlum · 13-10-2020 11:39am

Rioters also broke into a history museum causing damage and stole an artefact during the Day of Rage protests.

https://twitter.com/maggie_vespa/status/1315736945247494144?s=21

Destroying their own community’s work.

Or actually not, as it appears that most of these rioters in Portland seem to be young, white, disenfranchised drifters. I’d say Black communities are well sick of them.

kildare lad · 13-10-2020 12:16pm

Who'd hold a protest outside a shop that called the police on 2 black shoplifters .... BLM would

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1306955061793153026?s=20

Cordell · 13-10-2020 12:52pm

But did they call the police when billions were stolen from the african americans by predatory lending in the 50s and 60s?! DID THEY?!!?

NO, you don't call the police on african americans because they don't steal, they just make small gestures toward reparations for all those years of oppression. You should be happy that you can do your part.

Chris_Heilong · 13-10-2020 1:07pm

Overheal wrote: »

No need for this crap.

Nevermind the fact that it's not really a 'video' - It's a livestream, and at time of this post is stillllll streaming. Close to 2 hours now. Are you seriously and objectively endorsing a need to watch 1 hour and 45 minutes (and still going) streaming pile of podcast? What is anyone actually going to learn, here? What did you take away from it? How about we discuss that instead of mandating people watch a 2 hour video before they are considered 'open minded' enough to have the conversation.

I didnt say watch the whole video as someone would only need to watch a few minutes of it to prove my point but based on past posts there is always an excuse from the neigh sayers as to why they refuse to watch/read whatever is posted that might challenge their worldview, If you are not that kind of person then it does not apply to you;).

Overheal · 13-10-2020 1:23pm

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

That sounds like a NRA type argument tbh. Surprised from you.

What does this even mean

nolivesmatter · 13-10-2020 3:24pm

kildare lad wrote: »

International glasses day with antifa

Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) Tweeted:
Arrested at the violent #antifa Portland protest & quickly released:

Sara S. Rider, 30, arrested again https://t.co/hqyvPmgRVe

Kelsey Marley, 26 https://t.co/aUwhOxHiMA

Madeline Kay, 23 https://t.co/n916ncAXA1

Molly Peterson, 18; arrested again https://t.co/1ScuClSF8d https://t.co/JygTUwPI57 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1315738303677771777?s=20

It's amazing how often these people physically resemble the SJW archetype.

BattleCorp · 13-10-2020 3:29pm

nolivesmatter wrote: »

It's amazing how often these people physically resemble the SJW archetype.

America is fcuked from many angles, not least the fact that they seem to be producing an abundance of those types of fcukheads.

Biafranlivemat · 13-10-2020 5:31pm

kildare lad wrote: »

Who'd hold a protest outside a shop that called the police on 2 black shoplifters .... BLM would

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1306955061793153026?s=20

It is worse in NY city.

'Bands of shoplifters are terrorizing Soho’s high-end boutiques, lifting hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of designer merchandise, and in some cases, threatening security guards to keep quiet — or be labeled racist, The Post has learned'

https://nypost.com/2020/10/10/grab-and-run-shoplifters-terrorize-luxury-nyc-boutiques/

BLM, or WLM? [MOD WARNING: FIRST POST]

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