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BLM, or WLM? [MOD WARNING: FIRST POST]

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    #7112
    Gervais08
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    20Cent wrote: »
    Degenerate is another dehumanising term they use a lot.
    One regime used that a lot in the past as well.

    Oh look, we’re “literally” re-enacting kristalnacht with words like “illegal” and “degenerate”.


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    #7113
    Baggly
    Registered Users Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Mod

    Biafranlivemat, stay out of this thread please.


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    #7114
    Deshawn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 192 ✭✭Deshawn


    Engage protection shield


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    #7115
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Gervais08 wrote: »
    Oh look, we’re “literally” re-enacting kristalnacht with words like “illegal” and “degenerate”.

    Dehumanizing people was how it started. The term degenerate was used a lot by the Nazi's, the alt right use it a lot as well. Categorizing human beings made the holocaust and the genocide in Rwanda possible. Whether one realizes it or not using that and other slurs is mimicking and normalising Nazi terminology.


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    #7116
    SexBobomb
    Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭SexBobomb


    20Cent wrote: »
    Dehumanizing people was how it started. The term degenerate was used a lot by the Nazi's, the alt right use it a lot as well. Categorizing human beings made the holocaust and the genocide in Rwanda possible. Whether one realizes it or not using that and other slurs is mimicking and normalising Nazi terminology.

    Jaysus Christmas, is there anything that cant be spun in this way ? Honest question. Nazis under the bed :rolleyes:


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    #7117
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    SexBobomb wrote: »
    Jaysus Christmas, is there anything that cant be spun in this way ? Honest question. Nazis under the bed :rolleyes:

    Is there something incorrect in the comment?


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    #7118
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    SexBobomb wrote: »
    Jaysus Christmas, is there anything that cant be spun in this way ? Honest question.

    Honest answer: don't dehumanize people, it's simple and easy to avoid.


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    #7119
    Gervais08
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    Overheal wrote: »
    Honest answer: don't dehumanize people, it's simple and easy to avoid.

    How does the use of a common analogy dating back centuries equate to Schindler’s list ????


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    #7120
    SexBobomb
    Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭SexBobomb


    20Cent wrote: »
    Is there something incorrect in the comment?
    Overheal wrote: »
    Honest answer: don't dehumanize people, it's simple and easy to avoid.

    Lie down with dogs, you get fleas is a saying it doesn't make you a Nazi. It's simple and easy.


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    #7121
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    SexBobomb wrote: »
    Lie down with dogs, you get fleas is a saying it doesn't make you a Nazi. It's simple and easy.

    Saying "lie down with dogs, get fleas" is being compared to actual Nazism.

    Jesus lads. Totally jumped the shark now (for clarity, no offense intended towards sharks or jumpers)

    Ludicrous.


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    #7122
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    SexBobomb wrote: »
    Lie down with dogs, you get fleas is a saying it doesn't make you a Nazi. It's simple and easy.

    Nobody was saying that it did.

    Points made:

    1) Dehumanizing people is a bad idea
    2) Dehumanizing people was something the Nazis did to terrible effect
    3) Dehumanizing people played a pivotal role in the background for the Rwandan Genocide
    4) Don't dehumanize people


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    #7123
    [Deleted User]
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Nobody was saying that it did.

    Points made:

    1) Dehumanizing people is a bad idea
    2) Dehumanizing people was something the Nazis did to terrible effect
    3) Dehumanizing people played a pivotal role in the background for the Rwandan Genocide
    4) Don't dehumanize people

    Misrepresentation of individuals and inferring they are racist or Nazis is quite dehumanising too.


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    #7124
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Biafranlivemat wrote: »
    Lie down with dogs and don't be shocked if you get fleas.....
    Overheal wrote: »
    Yeah just off looking for trouble, asleep, in her home, in the middle of the night. ...
    Biafranlivemat wrote: »
    my perspective is not to lye down with dogs in the first place.
    Overheal wrote: »
    Yes, dehumanization of people, I got that.
    20Cent wrote: »
    Degenerate is another dehumanising term they use a lot.
    One regime used that a lot in the past as well.
    Gervais08 wrote: »
    Oh look, we’re “literally” re-enacting kristalnacht with words like “illegal” and “degenerate”.
    20Cent wrote: »
    Dehumanizing people was how it started. The term degenerate was used a lot by the Nazi's, the alt right use it a lot as well. Categorizing human beings made the holocaust and the genocide in Rwanda possible. Whether one realizes it or not using that and other slurs is mimicking and normalising Nazi terminology.
    SexBobomb wrote: »
    Lie down with dogs, you get fleas is a saying it doesn't make you a Nazi. It's simple and easy.
    Overheal wrote: »
    Nobody was saying that it did. ....

    Yes they did.


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    #7125
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Misrepresentation of individuals and inferring they are racist or Nazis is quite dehumanising too.

    Nobody was inferred as a Nazi.

    As for being misrepresented man, that never stopped anyone from misrepresenting me on this thread. :rolleyes:


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    #7126
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Yes they did.

    Not seeing where anyone was called a Nazi, or even inferred as one. If you disagree report the post I guess.


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    #7127
    [Deleted User]
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Nobody was inferred as a Nazi.

    As for being misrepresented man, that never stopped anyone from misrepresenting me on this thread. :rolleyes:

    Yes they were.

    As evidenced above.

    While not explicitly called a nazi, it would take mammoth willful ignorance to ignore the connotations.

    And just because you feel you were misrepresented, that doesn't make misrepresenting others ok.


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    #7128
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yes they were.

    As evidenced above.

    While not explicitly called a nazi, it would take mammoth willful ignorance to ignore the connotations.

    And just because you feel you were misrepresented, that doesn't make misrepresenting others ok.

    Nope. Nobody was inferred as a Nazi.
    Dehumanizing people was how it started. The term degenerate was used a lot by the Nazi's, the alt right use it a lot as well. Categorizing human beings made the holocaust and the genocide in Rwanda possible. Whether one realizes it or not using that and other slurs is mimicking and normalising Nazi terminology.

    Why did you decide it was inferring you were a Nazi and not a Rwandan Genocide perpetrator, if that were the case? The only point I see made here is not to normalize dehumanizing language.


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    #7129
    Frankie Machine
    Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Frankie Machine


    20Cent wrote: »
    Degenerate is another dehumanising term they use a lot.
    One regime used that a lot in the past as well.

    Something tells me that though you could be referring to the Soviet Union, you are probably not.


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    #7130
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Nope. Nobody was inferred as a Nazi.



    Why did you decide it was inferring you were a Nazi and not a Rwandan Genocide perpetrator, if that were the case? The only point I see made here is not to normalize dehumanizing language.

    Yes they were. We could do this merry dance all day so I won't keep pointing out the blindingly obvious.

    Nobody made an inference towards me (at this particular time at least) and I would imagine the reason that Nazi was pointed out instead of Rwandan genocide perpetrator is because it is the raison d'etre of certain posters on boards to refer to those they disagree with ideologically as nazis. It's remarkable how common it is to bandy about such accusations.

    You only have to look at the proud boys being referred to as white supremacists as an example of mislabeling and dilution of once powerful and meaningful accusations.


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    #7131
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    So do we all agree dehumanizing language is bad? I think we all agree and I would hope to see less use of such language going forward.


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    #7132
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    Overheal wrote: »
    So do we all agree dehumanizing language is bad? I think we all agree and I would hope to see less use of such language going forward.

    As with everything, it all depends on the definition of dehumanising and the way in which statements are labelled as such.

    The example of "if you lie with dogs, you will get up with fleas" as something that is dehumanising is beyond parody at this stage and an absolutely astounding attempt to obfuscate and misrepresent.


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    #7133
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Frankie Machine wrote: »
    Something tells me that though you could be referring to the Soviet Union, you are probably not.

    Yes Stalinism and Pol Pot, pretty much every pogrom or genocide starts with dehumanising individuals.

    Not calling anyone here a Nazi just saying that we should all strive not to dehumanise others because as history has shown it leads to terrible things.

    Didn't think that would be controversial!


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    #7134
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    As with everything, it all depends on the definition of dehumanising and the way in which statements are labelled as such.

    The example of "if you lie with dogs, you will get up with fleas" as something that is dehumanising is beyond parody at this stage and an absolutely astounding attempt to obfuscate and misrepresent.

    Speaking of obfuscation and misrepresentation: you, glossing over "scumbag illegal Aliens"

    The quote was also deliberately left out of WrenBoys rendition of this conversation I see.


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    #7135
    Frankie Machine
    Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Frankie Machine


    20Cent wrote: »
    Yes Stalinism and Pol Pot, pretty much every pogrom or genocide starts with dehumanising individuals.

    Not calling anyone here a Nazi just saying that we should all strive not to dehumanise others because as history has shown it leads to terrible things.

    Didn't think that would be controversial!

    However, you said 'One regime...'
    Degenerate is another dehumanising term they use a lot.
    One regime used that a lot in the past as well.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114975976&postcount=7110

    Don't pretend now that you were referring to anything other than the one regime that people always refer to in these matters. Certainly, others who responded to you thought so.

    Like I said, I didn't think you would be referring to the Soviet Union. Who have a lot more in common with the Nazis and Rwanda than the alt right do.

    So yeah, 'we should all strive not to dehumanise others' as you say, but yet you did it.

    Sure, I suppose you have your priorities.


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    #7136
    Deshawn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 192 ✭✭Deshawn


    I find this thread to be pïss poor. One poster is dominating the discussion by telling everyone else that they are wrong. Multiple posters have been reprimanded by replying to this poster while they themselves are given free reign to continue pollute the thread.

    It's a dumping ground.


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    #7137
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Frankie Machine wrote: »
    However, you said 'One regime...'



    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114975976&postcount=7110

    Don't pretend now that you were referring to anything other than the one regime that people always refer to in these matters. Certainly, others who responded to you thought so.

    Like I said, I didn't think you would be referring to the Soviet Union. Who have a lot more in common with the Nazis and Rwanda than the alt right do.

    So yeah, 'we should all strive not to dehumanise others' as you say, but yet you did it.

    Sure, I suppose you have your priorities.


    Yes I was referring to the Nazi regime which did use degenerate a lot as a slur against Jews, homosexuals and others. Didn't think it was necessary to condemn every act of genocide ever in the post to make the point. Stalin and Pol pot were monsters as well.


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    #7138
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Deshawn wrote: »
    It's a dumping ground.

    And not for any of the reasons you think.


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    #7139
    Frankie Machine
    Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Frankie Machine


    20Cent wrote: »
    Yes I was referring to the Nazi regime which did use degenerate a lot as a slur against Jews, homosexuals and others. Didn't think it was necessary to condemn every act of genocide ever in the post to make the point. Stalin and Pol pot were monsters as well.

    It wasn't necessary to specify at all, to make the point. Yet you did so.

    Apart from the Godwin's Law, it's such a fatuous connection to make between the alt right and the Nazis. Come on.

    And by the by, guess what word Stalin used to describe Harry Whyte ? Starts with a D.


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    #7140
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Frankie Machine wrote: »
    It wasn't necessary to specify at all, to make the point. Yet you did so.

    Apart from the Godwin's Law, it's such a fatuous connection to make between the alt right and the Nazis. Come on.

    And by the by, guess what word Stalin used to describe Harry Whyte ? Starts with a D.

    The alt right use the term a lot as did the Nazis.
    Just pointing out this fact, also it is best for all of us not to dehumanise others. Simple point. I'm sure Stalin, Pol Pot etc may have said it as well.


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    #7141
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,483 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Frankie Machine wrote: »
    It wasn't necessary to specify at all, to make the point. Yet you did so.

    Apart from the Godwin's Law, it's such a fatuous connection to make between the alt right and the Nazis. Come on.

    And by the by, guess what word Stalin used to describe Harry Whyte ? Starts with a D.

    Let's boil it down:

    Should we be dehumanizing people? Y/N


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