BLM, or WLM? [MOD WARNING: FIRST POST]

Overheal

BattleCorp wrote: »

What I'm seeing is systematic stupidity by resisting arrest and thereby increasing the likelyhood of getting shot.

I don't know why you are bringing the 2nd Amendment into it. That has nothing to do with that black guy getting shot by the cops. If a cop is making a lawful arrest, then you aren't allowed to use your gun to resist arrest.

It's really quite simple, follow the cops lawful instructions and you'll live to tell the tale.

Lawful instruction: let me see your ID

Suspect: okee dokee

Police: oh **** blam blam blam

https://www.cnn.com/videos/crime/2014/09/25/dnt-trooper-shooting-dash-cam.wis

Gervais08

Overheal wrote: »

Lawful instruction: let me see your ID

Suspect: okee dokee

Police: oh **** blam blam blam

https://www.cnn.com/videos/crime/2014/09/25/dnt-trooper-shooting-dash-cam.wis

Cool story bro. Deducting points for the narrative that only exists in your mind.

Overheal

Gervais08 wrote: »

Cool story bro. Deducting points for the narrative that only exists in your mind.

Clearly you didn’t watch the incident.

20Cent

Trust between the police and the black community has been broken.
It's up to the police to rectify that.
People think they won't be treated fairly or will be assaulted/killed.

The only thing to fix this is to retrain the police force and kick out the ones who have no business being a cop. A lot of them are thugs and racists.

Gervais08

20Cent wrote: »

Trust between the police and the black community has been broken.
It's up to the police to rectify that.
People think they won't be treated fairly or will be assaulted/killed.

The only thing to fix this is to retrain the police force and kick out the ones who have no business being a cop. A lot of them are thugs and racists.

Idle curiosity like but any black people guilty of crimes in your mind ???

Gervais08

Overheal wrote: »

Clearly you didn’t watch the incident.

Au contraire, I did.

stefanovich

Overheal wrote: »

Oh he was still an accomplice but let’s be accurate with criticism and facts there.

I’m pretty sure he was the one with the gun.

stefanovich

20Cent wrote: »

Trust between the police and the black community has been broken.
It's up to the police to rectify that.
People think they won't be treated fairly or will be assaulted/killed.

The only thing to fix this is to retrain the police force and kick out the ones who have no business being a cop. A lot of them are thugs and racists.

A very tiny number of black people get killed by police.

Overheal

stefanovich wrote: »

I’m pretty sure he was the one with the gun.

He wasn’t. Look it up again.

Overheal

Gervais08 wrote: »

Au contraire, I did.

Clearly not.

Overheal

stefanovich wrote: »

A very tiny number of black people get killed by police.

Wow. Apologist overload.

stefanovich

Overheal wrote: »

Wow. Apologist overload.

Well, more white people get killed by the police than black. And in most cases it is justified.

Overheal

stefanovich wrote: »

Well, more white people get killed by the police than black. And in most cases it is justified.

Much different opinion to make than ‘oh just a tiny insignificant number off negros being killed. They don’t matter’ which is precisely how that apologism comes across

stefanovich

Overheal wrote: »

Much different opinion to make than ‘oh just a tiny insignificant number off negros being killed. They don’t matter’ which is precisely how that apologism comes across

What I am saying is that the narrative that there is systemic racism in the police force is largely wrong.

Overheal

stefanovich wrote: »

What I am saying is that the narrative that there is systemic racism in the police force is largely wrong.

There’s overwhelming evidence to the contrary, here is a collection:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/opinions/systemic-racism-police-evidence-criminal-justice-system/

kildare lad

20Cent wrote: »

Trust between the police and the black community has been broken.
It's up to the police to rectify that.
People think they won't be treated fairly or will be assaulted/killed.

The only thing to fix this is to retrain the police force and kick out the ones who have no business being a cop. A lot of them are thugs and racists.

Well maybe if the black community didn't commit so much crime , they'd have less interactions with the police .... It's not rocket science

Overheal

Maybe if they weren’t racially stereotyped you mean? Not rocket science either.

20Cent

kildare lad wrote: »

Well maybe if the black community didn't commit so much crime , they'd have less interactions with the police .... It's not rocket science

There's plenty of research showing black neighborhoods are over policed, black people are more likely to be charged, less likely to make bail and get longer sentences.

Maybe time to try something else. The police seem to have unlimited money and resources, re direct some of it the other methods.

kildare lad

Overheal wrote: »

Maybe if they weren’t racially stereotyped you mean? Not rocket science either.

No , I mean that African Americans commit a very high percentage of crime compared to their population size , so they're more likely to be in contact with the police . 13 % of the population commit 50% of the murders.

Overheal

kildare lad wrote: »

No , I mean that African Americans commit a very high percentage of crime compared to their population size , so they're more likely to be in contact with the police . 13 % of the population commit 50% of the murders.

You sure about that?

Sounds like you’ve just lost a game of Telephone with a talking point you barely understand.

The actual statistic from 2015 was that blacks made up 51% of all homicide arrests.

Now keep in mind they are innocent until proven guilty and that the clearance rate for homicides is a mere 61.5% in that same year. Clearance would involve an arrest, but uncleared homicides - the 48.5% of them, could have involved a suspect arrest that did not lead to conviction.

It’s mathematically impossible based on the FBI data to conclude that blacks commit 50% of murders.

Cordell

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
Considering their higher crime rate which naturally results in more interactions with the police, it doesn't look like the blacks are especially targeted.

Overheal

Cordell wrote: »

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
Considering their higher crime rate which naturally result in more interaction with the police, the blacks are not especially targeted.

Ignoring the fact that police forces were purpose built to go after blacks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep7y6FM7yuQ

Bias in policing feeds the problem, arrest and harass more blacks, more blacks will show up in stats, more police will be sent to black communities, rinse repeat.

kildare lad

20Cent wrote: »

There's plenty of research showing black neighborhoods are over policed, black people are more likely to be charged, less likely to make bail and get longer sentences.

Maybe time to try something else. The police seem to have unlimited money and resources, re direct some of it the other methods.

Ye it's the cops fault that they're out on the streets selling drugs and shooting people . Maybe if they got rid of the " gangsta rap/ hood" culture that glorifies guns, drugs, bitches, hustling it could reduce crime/ killings . Some of them neighborhoods are near enough war zones how would you police it ??? Go in and start handing out lollipops?? And thanks to blm/defund the police there's been a rise in killings all across the states. It's mostly black men dying by the way . Good job BLM

Cordell

Ignoring the fact that police forces were purpose built to go after blacks

Sure they were, even countries that had no blacks build their police forces in anticipation for the times blacks will come.

Bias in policing feeds the problem

More than their established culture of gangs (Bloods, Crips and so on). Or less?

Overheal

kildare lad wrote: »

Ye it's the cops fault that they're out on the streets selling drugs and shooting people . Maybe if they got rid of the " gangsta rap/ hood" culture that glorifies guns, drugs, bitches, hustling it could reduce crime/ killings . Some of them neighborhoods are near enough war zones how would you police it ??? Go in and start handing out lollipops?? And thanks to blm/defund the police there's been a rise in killings all across the states. It's mostly black men dying by the way . Good job BLM

Now you just sound like a suburban mom blaming violent video games.

kildare lad

Overheal wrote: »

You sure about that?

Sounds like you’ve just lost a game of Telephone with a talking point you barely understand.

The actual statistic from 2015 was that blacks made up 51% of all homicide arrests.

Now keep in mind they are innocent until proven guilty and that the clearance rate for homicides is a mere 61.5% in that same year. Clearance would involve an arrest, but uncleared homicides - the 48.5% of them, could have involved a suspect arrest that did not lead to conviction.

It’s mathematically impossible based on the FBI data to conclude that blacks commit 50% of murders.

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OP-ED
OPINION
Homicide is a ‘devastating plague’ on black communities, and it is time we stop ignoring it | COMMENTARY
By JOHN HUDGINS
FOR THE BALTIMORE SUN
APR 03, 2020 AT 2:34 PM


Homicides in Baltimore are largely committed by African Americans who kill other blacks.
Homicides in Baltimore are largely committed by African Americans who kill other blacks. (Lloyd Fox / Baltimore Sun)
There’s lots of talk about being too tough on crime.

As Michael Bloomberg ran for president earlier this year he faced criticism for his “stop- and-frisk” policy when he was the mayor of New York City.


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Gov. Larry Hogan was at odds with the Maryland General Assembly during this year’s legislative session over his support of mandatory sentencing for gun violations.

When Hillary Clinton ran for president nearly four years ago she was forced to apologize for once saying there were predators in the black community.

Likewise there are well meaning progressives who are concerned about discriminatory policing, crowding jails and prisons with black people, and the stereotyping of innocent African Americans.

The reality is that homicides in major cities including Baltimore are not race neutral. Of the more than three hundred people killed in the streets of Baltimore last year, just about all of them were African Americans. The shooters (killers) were most likely black as well. This is a devastating plague acutely affecting black communities across the country.

We must realize that some black people are a much greater threat to other black people than the Ku Klux Klan or the White Citizens’ Councils. The number of blacks gunned down in the streets by other blacks parallels our memories of the many blacks lynched in communities across the United States after Reconstruction. This is a devastating plague acutely affecting black communities across the country.

The killings continue even as the country faces a coronavirus pandemic that prompted the governor to place the state on a stay-at-home lockdown. No one is to go out unless it is for essentials such as groceries and prescription medications. The killings don’t stop. Again it is mostly black victims.

And while some people don’t want to admit it, the aggressive law enforcement tactics that some declare overbearing have worked in reducing crime.

The stop-and-frisk practice in New York City was associated with a decline in homicides. When Richmond, Virginia, got tough on gun violations the homicide rate went down. By allowing gun violations to be prosecuted as federal crimes guilty persons were renditioned to federal prisons in places like Utah. This likely included some African Americans.


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When former Mayor Shelia Dixon and Police Chief Frederick H. Bealefeld III got tough on “bad guys with guns,” homicides in Baltimore went down. It is likely that most of those detained were black. In these three reductions in homicides, the people who benefited most also were African Americans who lost fewer sons, daughters, fathers and mothers to senseless street violence. More black people lived.

This poses a real problem for the black elite and white progressives. How to address bad behavior by some black folks without denigrating the “whole” black community? Many continue to struggle to give a balanced and positive picture of black life in America. The truth is, there are some black folk who do bad things. The sad truth is that their victims are most often other black people.

The attitude toward bad guys with guns is not the same in these violent neighborhoods, where people fear for their lives everyday, as it is in the relatively peaceful suburbs far away from the crime. Many African American communities are under siege by black gun-toting terrorists. Children cannot play in their yards and the elderly can no longer sit on their porches. At a recent town hall, a young black woman could not understand why her brother’s killer had still remained free on the street awaiting trial for a previous gun violation. Many of the people accused of murder in the city frequently have existing gun violations. This is a cycle that must be broken.

Now is the time to reconcile, black pride, civil liberties and civil rights with the need for safe black communities. No one wants to resort to stop-and-frisk policies or mass incarceration, but something like it may be needed. Such efforts can target illegal weapons pretty much the same as stop-and-frisk efforts at major airports. This is not a problem in the larger white community, but it is in black communities and must be addressed as a problem particular to those neighborhoods.

This senseless gun violence and predatory behavior should not continue to be tolerated. This lawlessness victimizes black families, the black community and future generations. At some point we need to stop letting the presumed rights of a few endanger the lives of many.

kildare lad

Cordell wrote: »

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
Considering their higher crime rate which naturally results in more interactions with the police, it doesn't look like the blacks are especially targeted.

It does if your an SJW like overheal

Overheal

That’s quite a bit of spam for missing the point.

If you want to apologize and clarify that you meant “Blacks are 13% of the population of Baltimore and half the homicides in Baltimore” I will have another look at that wall of text but clearly that wasn’t your original statement.

kildare lad

Overheal wrote: »

Ignoring the fact that police forces were purpose built to go after blacks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep7y6FM7yuQ

Bias in policing feeds the problem, arrest and harass more blacks, more blacks will show up in stats, more police will be sent to black communities, rinse repeat.

That must be true , Sure the gardai were only established in 1999 when Africans came to Ireland. Was there no police force in England before the 1950s when the first blacks arrived there ??

thebestwords

Overheal wrote: »

That’s quite a bit of spam for missing the point.

If you want to apologies and clarify that you meant “Blacks are 13% of the population of Baltimore and half the homicides” I will have another look at that wall of text but clearly that wasn’t your original statement.

You're the one trying to mislead FBI statistics, like only a true ideologue would.

Let's fact check the claim shall we?

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

Claim : "“It’s important to note that black men commit nearly half of all murders in this country, which is astounding when you take into consideration the fact that they only make up 12-13 per cent of the population.”

The analysis : "It’s true that around 13 per cent of Americans are black, according to the latest estimates from the US Census Bureau.

And yes, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and 2008. Only 45 per cent of the offenders were white. Homicide is a broader category than “murder” but let’s not split hairs.

Blacks were disproportionately likely to commit homicide and to be the victims. In 2008 the offending rate for blacks was seven times higher than for whites and the victimization rate was six times higher.

As we found yesterday, 93 per cent of black victims were killed by blacks and 84 per cent of white victims were killed by whites.

Alternative statistics from the FBI are more up to date but include many crimes where the killer’s race is not recorded. These numbers tell a similar story."