BLM, or WLM? [MOD WARNING: FIRST POST]

kildare lad

kildare lad wrote: »

I find it hard to wrap my head accusing people of white privilege in Ireland , taking in that overwhelming majority of people are white. I wonder i you flew into africa , would I go around accusing the locals of black privilege??

I've been and worked in various places including Africa and trust me there is no so called privilege there. In South africa there is open racism from the ruling ANC and EFF, could not believe what I was hearing at election time.
Also had a half irish guy there telling me no one suffered like the blacks in SA, I said to him being half irish and proudly telling me have you ever heard of the British occupation, the penal laws, the export of irish slaves, the famine etc.

People on this thread saying what would we know from being irish and privileged, last I checked ireland is really only prosperous since the mid 90s, before that it was very poor and our parents and grandparents worked their bollox off to get where we are now. I am sick of hearing the new irish telling us how we need to change and that we have white privilege. And regards to new irish, why was it only when ireland got prosperous that we got a flood of immigration, I have no issue with immigration but when I hear the irish bashing it really sickens me

20Cent

Deleted User wrote: »

Erm... That's exactly what I said your point was.

You believe that nothing no white person ever has any issues or problems that arise because of their skin colour.

That's absolutely unprovable, untrue and ridiculous to even suggest.

Reductio ad absurdum.

kildare lad

20Cent wrote: »

It's not an accusation. Why do you think pointing it out is a slur on white people.

It is just a fact.

Yes it is a slur, pointing out that just because as someone's white they've got privilege. You might be surprised to know that not all white people's live's is a walk in the park .You're obviously very privileged if you socialise around blackrock and Dalkey compared to someone who grew up in ballymum. White , upper middle class guilt ???

20Cent

Deleted User wrote: »

I've been and worked in various places including Africa and trust me there is no so called privilege there. In South africa there is open racism from the ruling ANC and EFF, could not believe what I was hearing at election time.
Also had a half irish guy there telling me no one suffered like the blacks in SA, I said to him being half irish and proudly telling me have you ever heard of the British occupation, the penal laws, the export of irish slaves, the famine etc.

People on this thread saying what would we know from being irish and privileged, last I checked ireland is really only prosperous since the mid 90s, before that it was very poor and our parents and grandparents worked their bollox off to get where we are now. I am sick of hearing the new irish telling us how we need to change and that we have white privilege. And regards to new irish, why was it only when ireland got prosperous that we got a flood of immigration, I have no issue with immigration but when I hear the irish bashing it really sickens me

The British occupation, the penal laws, the export of irish slaves (didn't happen), the famine etc. were not because of skin colour.

What are you being asked to change by the "new Irish"?

20Cent

kildare lad wrote: »

Yes it is a slur, pointing out that just because as someone's white they've got privilege. You might be surprised to know that not all white people's live's is a walk in the park .You're obviously very privileged if you socialise around blackrock and Dalkey compared to someone who grew up in ballymum. White , upper middle class guilt ???

A privilege.
Our colour is not a factor in our lives, not something we need to think about.
It's nothing to do with income.

20Cent

20Cent wrote: »

It is a widely held opinion.
Easily provable as well, by research and statistics.
But if you don't believe it that's fine.

it's absolutely not provable.

How do you suggest you definitively prove that i, me specifically, am the beneficiary of white privilege?

If you can't, then unfortunately, your theory of white privilege doesn't hold up.

20Cent

20Cent wrote: »

A privilege.
Our colour is not a factor in our lives, not something we need to think about.
It's nothing to do with income.

"We".

All white people? Sure. That's not divisive

Not all white people are the same. Some white people may have issues which arise from being white. It could be a factor in their lives. Why do you feel you can speak for all white people?

All white people's circumstances aren't the same.

20Cent

20Cent wrote: »

The British occupation, the penal laws, the export of irish slaves (didn't happen), the famine etc. were not because of skin colour.

What are you being asked to change by the "new Irish"?

It was because of race and they looked upon the irish as sub human.

Do you live in an area with various cultures? I have lived next to one such family and I was told its their culture and religion, ended up having to sell up. Not working and up at all hours and having people calling at all hours and no this isn't an isolated case as I have loads of friends and colleagues who had similar issues. There's a reason why certain cultures gather together and live. Its already happening in Ireland but people just call it racist. Over the next decade there will be more polarisation of neighbourhoods in Ireland and it will be blamed on the so called 'white flight' from areas

20Cent

20Cent wrote: »

Reductio ad absurdum.

I repeated your point back to you. You are literally calling your position ridiculous.

20Cent

Deleted User wrote: »

it's absolutely not provable.

How do you suggest you definitively prove that i, me specifically, am the beneficiary of white privilege?

If you can't, then unfortunately, your theory of white privilege doesn't hold up.

You specifically?
lol
Thread isn't about you.

When you go to church Jesus is represented as a white man even though he wasn't.
When you go to the supermarket 99% of the products are designed for you.
You can go to 99% of barbers and they can cut your hair.
When you turn on the tv the vast majority of people you see look like you.
if you don't get a job or accommodation, you don't need to wonder was it because I'm white.
If someone blanks you or is rude to you, you don't think is it because I am white.


Etc etc etc ...

None of these are anyone's fault in particular.
But pretending they aren't advantages is disingenuous.

kildare lad

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I've been and worked in various places including Africa and trust me there is no so called privilege there. In South africa there is open racism from the ruling ANC and EFF, could not believe what I was hearing at election time.
Also had a half irish guy there telling me no one suffered like the blacks in SA, I said to him being half irish and proudly telling me have you ever heard of the British occupation, the penal laws, the export of irish slaves, the famine etc.

People on this thread saying what would we know from being irish and privileged, last I checked ireland is really only prosperous since the mid 90s, before that it was very poor and our parents and grandparents worked their bollox off to get where we are now. I am sick of hearing the new irish telling us how we need to change and that we have white privilege. And regards to new irish, why was it only when ireland got prosperous that we got a flood of immigration, I have no issue with immigration but when I hear the irish bashing it really sickens me

Exactly , my parents and grandparents had nothing growing up. I wonder what my grandad would say if one of these Sjws went back in time in a time machine and told my grandad he had white privilege for growing up dirt poor, barefoot under british occupation , I wonder how many of these Sjws were working on farms at the age of 10 or had to immigrate to England or american at 16 , to slave away on motorways or building sites. Many falling into alcoholism and depression and loneliness. It must have been great in Ireland knowing how privileged they were to be white , while starving and working themselves to death

20Cent

Deleted User wrote: »

It was because of race and they looked upon the irish as sub human.

Do you live in an area with various cultures? I have lived next to one such family and I was told its their culture and religion, ended up having to sell up. Not working and up at all hours and having people calling at all hours and no this isn't an isolated case as I have loads of friends and colleagues who had similar issues. There's a reason why certain cultures gather together and live. Its already happening in Ireland but people just call it racist. Over the next decade there will be more polarisation of neighbourhoods in Ireland and it will be blamed on the so called 'white flight' from areas

Bought a house next door to a black family actually, lovely people.
Did find inner city people far more accepting of different cultures than the suburbs.

20Cent

kildare lad wrote: »

Exactly , my parents and grandparents had nothing growing up. I wonder what my grandad would say if one of these Sjws went back in time in a time machine and told my grandad he had white privilege for growing up dirt poor, barefoot under british occupation , I wonder how many of these Sjws were working on farms at the age of 10 or had to immigrate to England or american at 16 , to slave away on motorways or building sites. Many falling into alcoholism and depression and loneliness. It must have been great in Ireland knowing how privileged they were to be white , while starving and working themselves to death

This is not the point being made.
Not sure how to make it clearer.

kildare lad

20Cent wrote: »

A privilege.
Our colour is not a factor in our lives, not something we need to think about.
It's nothing to do with income.

It has everything to do with income , do you think LeBron James kids are gonna struggle compared to a poor white kid growing up in west virginia ?

20Cent

20Cent wrote: »

You specifically?
lol
Thread isn't about you.

When you go to church Jesus is represented as a white man even though he wasn't.
When you go to the supermarket 99% of the products are designed for you.
You can go to 99% of barbers and they can cut your hair.
When you turn on the tv the vast majority of people you see look like you.
if you don't get a job or accommodation, you don't need to wonder was it because I'm white.
If someone blanks you or is rude to you, you don't think is it because I am white.


Etc etc etc ...

None of these are anyone's fault in particular.
But pretending they aren't advantages is disingenuous.

None of those are an advantage. Not one of them. Jesus, if that is the level of absurdity you need to go to in order to "prove" that being white is advantageous, you are in danger of becoming even more of a parody of a SJW.

And yes, the thread is about BLM, not me, but your borderline pathological need to make people believe white privilege is a valid thing, does make your comments about white privilege about me. As I am white. And you are commenting about me.

CarProblem

20Cent wrote: »

Easily provable as well, by research and statistics.

Interesting - you (and other posters) ignore all the research and statistics around no bias in policing (in particular police killings), instead focusing on "feelings" yet you then rely on research and statistics in other areas.

Not for the first time on this thread I am very confused

20Cent

20Cent wrote: »

Bought a house next door to a black family actually, lovely people.
Did find inner city people far more accepting of different cultures than the suburbs.

Well I am glad you have a good experience, I'll give anyone a go and know it was an Arab family next to the house I was buying and I had no issue with it. What I thought was normal and respectful behaviour wasn't what they thought. It was so ridiculous that I even caught the mother sending the kids into my back garden to take veg from my veggie garden, I couldn't believe what I witnessed.

You might say thats a one off, but what I did notice was everyone that called were also of the same ethnicity, never did I see the kids playing the other kids. One kid had an English accent and the father couldn't speak English despite being here for years. I had to communicate through their daughter.

Thats not integration or attempted integration.

And before you think I am bigoted or whatever, I vouch for quota based school system as I think it all starts with kids at a young age and to stop some schools having 90% immigrants and others having 5%. That will transform tolerance and everyone then has an equal opportunity and if you aren't qualified for a job you have no excuse or if you just a magnot it doesn't matter what colour you are, your still a magnot

iebamm2580

20Cent wrote: »

You specifically?
lol
Thread isn't about you.

When you go to church Jesus is represented as a white man even though he wasn't.
When you go to the supermarket 99% of the products are designed for you.
You can go to 99% of barbers and they can cut your hair.
When you turn on the tv the vast majority of people you see look like you.
if you don't get a job or accommodation, you don't need to wonder was it because I'm white.
If someone blanks you or is rude to you, you don't think is it because I am white.


Etc etc etc ...

None of these are anyone's fault in particular.
But pretending they aren't advantages is disingenuous.

You do realise if i went to most african countries the above(except religion) would apply to the majority black population.

20Cent

iebamm2580 wrote: »

You do realise if i went to most african countries the above(except religion) would apply to the majority black population.

Yes.
And I'm not calling it a criticism of our culture, just pointing out that it's a real thing.

iebamm2580

20Cent wrote: »

Yes.
And I'm not calling it a criticism of our culture, just pointing out that it's a real thing.

So it would be called black privilege in africa?

20Cent

Deleted User wrote: »

Well I am glad you have a good experience, I'll give anyone a go and know it was an Arab family next to the house I was buying and I had no issue with it. What I thought was normal and respectful behaviour wasn't what they thought. It was so ridiculous that I even caught the mother sending the kids into my back garden to take veg from my veggie garden, I couldn't believe what I witnessed.

You might say thats a one off, but what I did notice was everyone that called were also of the same ethnicity, never did I see the kids playing the other kids. One kid had an English accent and the father couldn't speak English despite being here for years. I had to communicate through their daughter.

Thats not integration or attempted integration.

And before you think I am bigoted or whatever, I vouch for quota based school system as I think it all starts with kids at a young age and to stop some schools having 90% immigrants and others having 5%. That will transform tolerance and everyone then has an equal opportunity and if you aren't qualified for a job you have no excuse or if you just a magnot it doesn't matter what colour you are, your still a magnot

Still not what I am talking about in reference to white privilege.
What is a magnot!!

CarProblem

CarProblem wrote: »

Interesting - you (and other posters) ignore all the research and statistics around no bias in policing (in particular police killings), instead focusing on "feelings" yet you then rely on research and statistics in other areas.

Not for the first time on this thread I am very confused

Thats in America, are you telling me the Garda are targeting blacks?

We are in such a labour shortage for trades people and stem that companies wouldn't (not that they would) care if you were orange or pink.

People are getting sick of the bandwagon jumping immigrants here saying ireland is such a racist country. I have a lot of experience in other countries and Ireland, all the people I have worked with know I don't care what colour they are but don't start victim or race playing. I know a very close case here where the person is a young black female who deliberately has sought out to be offended, even was going on about her father struggling for work, the man was a brut and brought his Nigerian male superiority macho attitude with him, even was refusing to stand in front of a female judge and I know this very personally. But it was portrayed as him struggling to get work cos he was black, even this person was ridiculing the irish for asking where she was from and she was saying she was irish. She wasn't, she was born in Nigeria and smuggled into ireland via Greece when she was 8. And thats the case I know very personally and that's what passes off a lot of people, this victim playing irish bashing attitude

20Cent

20Cent wrote: »

Yes.
And I'm not calling it a criticism of our culture, just pointing out that it's a real thing.

What is a real thing? None of what you posted even hinted that being white is a privilege

20Cent

iebamm2580 wrote: »

So it would be called black privilege in africa?

Is there an advantage to being black in Africa?
Would be if that is the case.

iebamm2580

iebamm2580 wrote: »

So it would be called black privilege in africa?

No. That would be racist.

iebamm2580

20Cent wrote: »

Is there an advantage to being black in Africa?
Would be if that is the case.

well yea according to what you posted was white privilege in ireland would also apply to black people in africa over white popole.

CarProblem

Deleted User wrote: »

Thats in America, are you telling me the Garda are targeting blacks?

I'm absolutely staggered that you could get that from anything I've posted on this site, let alone this thread - anyhow as you were

20Cent

Deleted User wrote: »

Thats in America, are you telling me the Garda are targeting blacks?

We are in such a labour shortage for trades people and stem that companies wouldn't (not that they would) care if you were orange or pink.

People are getting sick of the bandwagon jumping immigrants here saying ireland is such a racist country. I have a lot of experience in other countries and Ireland, all the people I have worked with know I don't care what colour they are but don't start victim or race playing. I know a very close case here where the person is a young black female who deliberately has sought out to be offended, even was going on about her father struggling for work, the man was a brut and brought his Nigerian male superiority macho attitude with him, even was refusing to stand in front of a female judge and I know this very personally. But it was portrayed as him struggling to get work cos he was black, even this person was ridiculing the irish for asking where she was from and she was saying she was irish. She wasn't, she was born in Nigeria and smuggled into ireland via Greece when she was 8. And thats the case I know very personally and that's what passes off a lot of people, this victim playing irish bashing attitude

Acknowledging whit privilege is not calling a country or anyone racist.

20Cent

20Cent wrote: »

Is there an advantage to being black in Africa?
Would be if that is the case.

So do black people living in majority black areas in Balbriggan have a privilege over the white people in the area? A lot of areas have majority afro Carribbean shops and barbers. White people are sometimes targeted for racist abuse.

Are there very specifically located regions of privilege?

20Cent

20Cent wrote: »

Acknowledging whit privilege is not calling a country or anyone racist.

No. It's being purposely divisive and unfairly making assumption on people based on their skin colour.

It's not calling anyone racist. It is demonstrating that the person acknowledging "white privilege" is racist.