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BLM, or WLM? [MOD WARNING: FIRST POST]

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    #7832
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    Any white person can go to africa and scream black privilege so when they don't see white people on the tele or in the civil service or see hair products that suit them in the supermarket in a majority black country. BTW i do agree that superheroes films showing black characters are a good thing and dolls for girls showing afro hair are positive for young black children and necessary but white privilege no fcuk that.


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    #7833
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    Any white person can go to africa and scream black privilege so when they don't see white people on the tele or in the civil service or see hair products that suit them in the supermarket in a majority black country.

    No, most of the products would be for black people because the vast majority of customers would be black people. The white person would have to search a bit harder for what they need. Acknowledging this doesn't mean anyone is being racist. Just in that scenario being black would make things slightly easier.


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    #7834
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    20Cent wrote: »
    No, most of the products would be for black people because the vast majority of customers would be black people. The white person would have to search a bit harder for what they need. Acknowledging this doesn't mean anyone is being racist. Just in that scenario being black would make things slightly easier.

    exactly like here in ireland most of the products are for white people as the country is mostly white. Your essentially saying black privilege and white privilege are the same thing all depends where you live.


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    #7835
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    exactly like here in ireland most of the products are for white people as the country is mostly white. Your essentially saying black privilege and white privilege are the same thing all depends where you live.

    So there is an advantage to being white in this case. A very small one only a minor inconvenience if you have to search a bit harder for what you need but bit an inconvenience none the less. Apply that to lots of other situations then.


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    #7836
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    20Cent wrote: »
    So there is an advantage to being white in this case. A very small one only a minor inconvenience if you have to search a bit harder for what you need but bit an inconvenience none the less. Apply that to lots of other situations then.

    how can you expect a majority white or black population to cater exactly the same to a small minority when it comes to stuff like goods- economies of scales its just business, when it comes to jobs etc, if anything black people will have an advantage these days as companies are falling over themselves to hire black and minorities to reach diversity goals, iv seen it happen alot lately in my company. So privilege based on skin color is a fallacy and plenty black people agree with that. Also It wouldn't be fair to have equal amounts of a minority population on the tele of a majority, its non-sensical.


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    #7837
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    20Cent wrote: »
    So there is an advantage to being white in this case. A very small one only a minor inconvenience if you have to search a bit harder for what you need but bit an inconvenience none the less. Apply that to lots of other situations then.

    So white privilege has gone from:

    something we should strive to counter to stop injustices to minorities and is a major problem

    to include.

    In white countries, black people may have to travel a little further to find a hairdresser who specialises in cutting afro hair and the baby Jesus is white, plus many things like that.

    Gotcha.

    White Privilege is the same as mansplaining. Anyone who uses the term and believes in it can almost always be discounted as someone who is racist and a sexist who has a poor grasp on self awareness


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    #7838
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    how can you expect a majority white or black population to cater exactly the same to a small minority when it comes to stuff like goods- economies of scales its just business, when it comes to jobs etc, if anything black people will have an advantage these days as companies are falling over themselves to hire black and minorities to reach diversity goals, iv seen it happen alot lately in my company. So privilege based on skin color is a fallacy and plenty black people agree with that. Also It wouldn't be fair to have equal amounts of a minority population on the tele of a majority, its non-sensical.

    I don't expect them to.
    Never said they should.
    Just making the point that it is a thing that is real.
    That's all.
    People seem to get really offended by just pointing it out.


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    #7839
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    20Cent wrote: »
    I don't expect them to.
    Never said they should.
    Just making the point that it is a thing that is real.
    That's all.
    People seem to get really offended by just pointing it out.

    we will agree to disagree.


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    #7840
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So white privilege has gone from:

    something we should strive to counter to stop injustices to minorities and is a major problem

    to include.

    In white countries, black people may have to travel a little further to find a hairdresser who specialises in cutting afro hair and the baby Jesus is white, plus many things like that.

    Gotcha

    I am just using a small relatively inconsequential example of it to show it is real that's all.


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    #7841
    [Deleted User]
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    20Cent wrote: »
    I am just using a small relatively inconsequential example of it to show it is real that's all.

    And it does nothing except disprove your position. That's all.


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    #7842
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    20Cent wrote: »
    Interesting how white people thousands of miles away are able to tell black people in the US what their issues are and how best to solve them. Imagine the arrogance, apply that to any other issue. Imagine setting up an account with the name above because the idea of black people standing up for themselves offends you so much. Then they say there is no such think as white privilege.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/04/17/29227472-8388689-image-a-10_1591287622952.jpg

    So youre aligning yourself with one viewpoint and claiming you're right and because of that makes other people wrong?

    Great logic ....

    There are many many black voices who think what blm stands for and how they are going about it is not only wrong but dividise and dangerous.

    There are many black people who dont wsnt the police defunded or abolished.

    And yes there are black people who say white privilege is bs.

    Great 'Daily Mail' cartoon btw :p


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    #7843
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    kildare lad wrote: »
    How is it not. I thought Black lives matter cares about all black people killed by injustice. Do them protestors lives mean less than george floyd or is it just you can't create the same outrage frenzy when it black on black killings .

    They do and have shown solidarity with the victims there.


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    #7844
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    gozunda wrote: »
    So youre aligning yourself with one viewpoint and claiming you're right and because of that makes other people wrong?

    Great logic ....

    There are many mang black voices who think what blm stands for and how they are going about it is not only wrong but dividise and dangerous.

    And yes there are black people who say white privilege is bs.

    Great Daily Mail cartoon btw :p

    Plenty of room for disagreement.
    I think it is a real thing, others don't fine.


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    #7845
    kildare lad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    20Cent wrote: »
    They do and have shown solidarity with the victims there.

    Are you gonna protest on o connell street and demand police reform in Nigeria?


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    #7846
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    kildare lad wrote: »
    Are you gonna protest on o connell street and demand police reform in Nigeria?

    Would be better to do it at the Nigerian embassy probably.


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    #7847
    [Deleted User]
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    20Cent wrote: »
    Plenty of room for disagreement.
    I think it is a real thing, others don't fine.

    At least you are admitting it's an opinion and not a fact.


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    #7848
    kildare lad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    20Cent wrote: »
    Would be better to do it at the Nigerian embassy probably.

    What date is the protest gonna be on ?


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    #7849
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    kildare lad wrote: »
    What date is the protest gonna be on ?

    You missed it, was last week.


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    #7850
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    20Cent wrote: »
    You missed it, was last week.

    Did you go?


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    #7851
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Did you go?

    No, there is a worldwide pandemic happening at the moment so avoiding crowds myself.


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    #7852
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    20Cent wrote: »
    Plenty of room for disagreement. I think it is a real thing, others don't fine.

    You didn't call it 'disagreement'. You called it 'arrogance'.

    What's a "real thing"? Is it real because some people say it is? Logic doesn't work like that.


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    #7853
    [Deleted User]
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    20Cent wrote: »
    No, there is a worldwide pandemic happening at the moment so avoiding crowds myself.

    Me too

    Did you attend the BLM one previously?


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    #7854
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Me too

    Did you attend the BLM one previously?

    No, same reason.


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    #7855
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    gozunda wrote: »
    You didn't call it 'disagreement'. You called it 'arrogance'.

    What's a "real thing"? Is it real because some people say it is? Logic doesn't work like that.


    Jesus and God are represented as white people.
    This is a real thing, it's true.
    Not saying it's racists or anything but it's a truth.


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    #7856
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    20Cent wrote: »
    Jesus and God are represented as white people.This is a real thing, it's true.Not saying it's racists or anything but it's a truth.

    What? Yes people adapt religion to match their culture. Here that means we have gods that pretty much represent the people who worship them. It certainly doesn't stop other people worshipping gods in their own image.

    You do know that gods in India are depicted as Indian yes? Ditto Japan, Africa, the Middle East. Everywhere. There's even Africanised Jesus and Mary's even though they were supposedly of middle east extraction and no imo thats not 'racist'.

    Here's a Chinese Jesus.

    170px-ChineseJesus.jpg

    And you think that's an unusual thing? Let's get "real" for once.

    The rubbish arguments being peddled are truely inane


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    #7857
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Wow people get so defensive when facts are pointed out to them.
    Reading more into the point being made.
    The dominant culture in the west is white, being white in that dominant culture is an advantage. That's it, the whole point.


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    #7858
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    20Cent wrote: »
    Wow people get so defensive when facts are pointed out to them.
    Reading more into the point being made.
    The dominant culture in the west is white, being white in that dominant culture is an advantage. That's it, the whole point.

    No that's clearly being defensive when others point out that what has been claimed is incorrect.

    Anyone can attempt to make the above argument about any culture or race anywhere in the world. And it has been shown that making the issue solely about the colour of an individuals skin is the very definition of racism


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    #7859
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    gozunda wrote: »
    No that's clearly being defensive when others point out that what has been claimed is incorrect.

    Anyone can attempt to make the above argument about any culture or race anywhere in the world. And it has been shown that making the issue solely about the colour of an individuals skin is the very definition of racist

    Jesus and God are not represented as being white in the West?


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    #7860
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    20Cent wrote: »
    Jesus and God are not represented as being white in the West?

    What is this obsession with deities and privilege? Did you not miss the bit above about Jesus / god being Chinese in China? Or Indian in India etc etc

    Like this one. And very nice it is too ..

    4jv96d.jpg

    I think it's called diversity and religious freedom..

    Which bit do you have an issue with?


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    #7861
    [Deleted User]
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    20Cent wrote: »
    No, same reason.

    You vehemently support (online) antifa and BLM yet won't join the protest because of the pandemic.

    You will however go online and offer encouragement and excuses for those flaunting social distancing to go to a protest you wouldn't attend yourself.


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