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BLM, or WLM? [MOD WARNING: FIRST POST]

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    #8522
    Real Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    Wilfred Zaha the latest player to speak out.

    Hopefully we will see an end to this knee nonsense soon.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9256639/Crystal-Palace-star-Wilfried-Zaha-says-degrading-knee-kick-off.html

    Fair fecks to him, someone who has common sense. Politics should play no role in any sport. People watch sports to be entertained, that's it..


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    #8523
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users Posts: 17,077 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    anyone that supports BLM, can you tell me why exactly?


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    #8524
    Tell me how
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    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    anyone that supports BLM, can you tell me why exactly?

    Because all people deserve to be treated equally by the people hired to protect and serve and paid with public money.

    Can you tell me what issue you have with this statement?


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    #8525
    Tell me how
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    Never apologise if you are not guilty. Fight back.

    I thought you guys wanted black people to stop resisting? Which is it?

    Or are you not talking about black people?


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    #8526
    Tell me how
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    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    Wilfred Zaha the latest player to speak out.

    Hopefully we will see an end to this knee nonsense soon.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9256639/Crystal-Palace-star-Wilfried-Zaha-says-degrading-knee-kick-off.html

    You do realise he is advocating that kneeling should not be necessary, not that it isn't necessary?

    How can you not grasp that?

    Given that you introduced him here, what steps do you think should be taken so that Black people no longer feel that nothing is being done to stop people being racist to them?


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    #8527
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users Posts: 17,077 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Because all people deserve to be treated equally by the people hired to protect and serve and paid with public money.

    Can you tell me what issue you have with this statement?

    in your mind, are black's less able?

    you're an actual racist


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    #8528
    Tell me how
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    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    in your mind, are black's less able?

    you're an actual racist

    Did this make sense in some corner of your brain?
    Could you go back in there and see if there were some words you forgot to type.

    And answer the question please.


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    #8529
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 25,486 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    Wilfred Zaha the latest player to speak out.

    Hopefully we will see an end to this knee nonsense soon.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9256639/Crystal-Palace-star-Wilfried-Zaha-says-degrading-knee-kick-off.html

    The first club or premier league player or indeed Premier League official, who says “ maybe we’ve done that enough now, can we just get on with playing? “ will be accused of racism. I’m surprised that the Premier League never said... “ok, we will support and do it for one season.”...... that was an oversight... something a bit creepy about this whole BLM fetish now, something almost dictatorial about their behaviors...


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    #8530
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users Posts: 17,077 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Did this make sense in some corner of your brain?
    Could you go back in there and see if there were some words you forgot to type.

    And answer the question please.

    again, tell me how blacks are prosecuted.

    as i asked, do you think blacks are less able?

    what was the question?


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    #8531
    Tell me how
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    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    again, tell me how blacks are prosecuted.
    I think you meant to say persecuted.
    They disproportionally experience violence, often fatal, at the hands of police. That's just one way.
    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    as i asked, do you think blacks are less able?
    No
    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    what was the question?
    It's in my post. If you can't find it, try again in the morning.


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    #8532
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users Posts: 17,077 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Tell me how wrote: »
    I think you meant to say persecuted.
    They disproportionally experience violence, often fatal, at the hands of police. That's just one way.


    No


    It's in my post. If you can't find it, try again in the morning.
    i'm drunk, so need direction.


    thanks in advance.


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    #8533
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    Because all people deserve to be treated equally by the people hired to protect and serve and paid with public money.

    Can you tell me what issue you have with this statement?

    Do you think black people are treated unfairly in Ireland by police?


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    #8534
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Tell me how wrote: »
    I think you meant to say persecuted.
    They disproportionally experience violence, often fatal, at the hands of police. That's just one way.


    No


    It's in my post. If you can't find it, try again in the morning.

    There does seem a tendency among the middle class left to infantalise black people which I find offensive.

    Treat everyone equally. Be blind to race. Isn’t that better.?


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    #8535
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Tell me how wrote: »
    I thought you guys wanted black people to stop resisting? Which is it?

    Or are you not talking about black people?

    I was specifically referring to false accusations but of course, if someone is not guilty of a crime then they should fight back in the courts.

    Fight back does not mean looting.

    Funny how violent riots and the incitement thereof is perfectly acceptable when it’s Nancy Pelosi.


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    #8536
    Tell me how
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Do you think black people are treated unfairly in Ireland by police?

    No.

    Do you think black people are treated unfairly in America by police?


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    #8537
    Tell me how
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    There does seem a tendency among the middle class left to infantalise black people which I find offensive.

    Treat everyone equally. Be blind to race. Isn’t that better.?

    Please explain this with a couple of examples.

    I think being assaulted or killed by someone is a more serious event than being infantalised by someone, or do you disagree?


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    #8538
    Tell me how
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    I was specifically referring to false accusations but of course, if someone is not guilty of a crime then they should fight back in the courts.

    Fight back does not mean looting.

    Funny how violent riots and the incitement thereof is perfectly acceptable when it’s Nancy Pelosi.

    Do you think black people are treated fairly and equally in the American court system?


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    #8539
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Please explain this with a couple of examples.

    I think being assaulted or killed by someone is a more serious event than being infantalised by someone, or do you disagree?

    Of course I do.

    Examples? For instance, having a higher tolerance for bad behaviour because of a persons race or treating someone as less capable of looking after themselves because of their race.

    You know, behaving like someone is inferior because they are black. Racism in other words.


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    #8540
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Do you think black people are treated fairly and equally in the American court system?

    Pretty much yes. The US has an extremely fair justice system.


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    #8541
    Tell me how
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    Pretty much yes. The US has an extremely fair justice system.

    Computer says No.

    From the American Bar Association.
    The evidence of differential treatment and injustice in the “justice” system is overwhelming. Because the problems are historically rooted, pervasive, and ongoing, it is even more critical to take action now (and in the future).


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    #8542
    Tell me how
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    Of course I do.

    Examples? For instance, having a higher tolerance for bad behaviour because of a persons race or treating someone as less capable of looking after themselves because of their race.

    You know, behaving like someone is inferior because they are black.     Racism in other words.

    Show me examples where you saw this happen within the 'middle class left' as you put it.


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    #8543
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Show me examples where you saw this happen within the 'middle class left' as you put it.

    I am not going to recount anecdotes for you. This is my perception of reality take it or leave it.


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    #8544
    Tell me how
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    I am not going to recount anecdotes for you. This is my perception of reality take it or leave it.

    Yeah. I expected as much.


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    #8545
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Yeah. I expected as much.

    Do you think black on black crime is the number 1 cause of the vast majority of deaths in the black community?

    Do you think blm has done anything notable to tackle the root causes of black on black violent crimes?


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    #8546
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Do you think black on black crime is the number 1 cause of the vast majority of deaths in the black community?

    Do you think blm has done anything notable to tackle the root causes of black on black violent crimes?

    Their solution is to defund the police.

    Rudy and Trump cleaned up New York. They saved a lot of black lives.


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    #8547
    Tell me how
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    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Do you think black on black crime is the number 1 cause of the vast majority of deaths in the black community?
    No. I suspect its heart disease, cancer, etc.
    What do you think it is?
    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Do you think blm has done anything notable to tackle the root causes of black on black violent crimes?
    No. And I dont fault them for that. Why should they have to fix a massive societal issue like that on their own?

    Do you think police should treat everyone fairly and equally?
    Do you think police use excessive force at times which results in the unfair deaths of people?


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    #8548
    Tell me how
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    Their solution is to defund the police.

    Rudy and Trump cleaned up New York. They saved a lot of black lives.

    Yeah? What did Trump do?


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    #8549
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Yeah? What did Trump do?
    Does the fact that he was a property developer give you a clue?


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    #8550
    Tell me how
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    Does the fact that he was a property developer give you a clue?

    A property developer who was sued for not renting to black people genius.


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    #8551
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Tell me how wrote: »
    A property developer who was sued for not renting to black people genius.

    That was his Dad I believe. They settled with no admission of guilt.

    Regardless, getting rid of ghettos and slums reduced crime.


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