BLM, or WLM? [MOD WARNING: FIRST POST]

briany

Overheal wrote: »

A minority of rioters commits violence and to some people that makes millions upon millions of people who have marched since george Floyd looters and rioters and scum

Yes, it's a brilliant tactic that governments use to de-legitimise every large-scale protest against them.

"Why these 'protesters' are nothing more than bottom-of-the-barrel hooligans hell bent on mayhem and looting. A good protester ought to protest in our specially-designated protest zone, way out in the old industrial yards. Yes, this is just the place for a protest - a quiet corner where they are easily ignored."

Tell me how

briany wrote: »

Yes, it's a brilliant tactic that governments use to de-legitimise every large-scale protest against them.

"Why these 'protesters' are nothing more than bottom-of-the-barrel hooligans hell bent on mayhem and looting. A good protester ought to protest in our specially-designated protest zone, way out in the old industrial yards. Yes, this is just the place for a protest - a quiet corner where they are easily ignored."

Some places take it further and put instigators amongst the protesters to encourage, initiate the behavior which they can then decry in the media as being damaging to society.

A working example of the 'accuse others of that which you are guilty of' strategy.

briany

Tell me how wrote: »

Some places take it further and put instigators amongst the protesters to encourage, initiate the behavior which they can then decry in the media as being damaging to society.

A working example of the 'accuse others of that which you are guilty of' strategy.

Genuine protesters are going to have to think of some way that governments and media cannot attempt to de-legitimise any protest they wish to.

Also, just because some protesters really do get violent does not mean the cause is bad or that the people perpetrating the violence are bad people. This would in fact be supremely hypocritical of most governments to automatically claim as many nations are founded upon an independence movement which included violence that is far from bemoaned, but in fact celebrated. Imagine going to America and suggesting their Boston Tea Party was an act of base hooliganism - you could imagine the reception you'd receive. But how was it seen by the British government at the time? They weren't thrilled about it.

The violent protests in Boston Harbor were met with a direct response from Great Britain. In April 1774, the British Parliament passed the Coercive (or Intolerable) Acts, which punished Massachusetts for the Tea Party incident. The Acts not only took away home rule from Massachusetts, it forced all Americans to board British troops in unoccupied buildings.

Foxtrol

briany wrote: »

Genuine protesters are going to have to think of some way that governments and media cannot attempt to de-legitimise any protest they wish to.

Also, just because some protesters really do get violent does not mean the cause is bad or that the people perpetrating the violence are bad people. This would in fact be supremely hypocritical of most governments to automatically claim as many nations are founded upon an independence movement which included violence that is far from bemoaned, but in fact celebrated. Imagine going to America and suggesting their Boston Tea Party was an act of base hooliganism - you could imagine the reception you'd receive. But how was it seen by the British government at the time? They weren't thrilled about it.

You'll never find this way that'll keep them satisfied. Opponents to change will feign outrage and seek to de-legitimise protesters whether protesters march on the streets, run for office, take a knee, raise a fist, run online campaigns etc etc.

MLK spoke of those tactics back in his day and little has changed, though polls are beginning to show the general public are falling less for them:

https://twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1286764101788741634?s=20

Overheal

We still have living direct descendants of slaves:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/07/27/slave-son-racism-george-floyd/?hpid=hp_hp-banner-low_sonofaslave-745am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

88 years old, his father was one.

ELM327

Overheal wrote: »

We still have living direct descendants of slaves:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/07/27/slave-son-racism-george-floyd/?hpid=hp_hp-banner-low_sonofaslave-745am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

88 years old, his father was one.

2020-88=1932
1932-1865=67


So his father was minimum 67 when he had a child?
I call BS on that one, slaves didnt live that long and didnt have children at that age.
Exactly the type of BS you'd expect from Washington Post

Overheal

ELM327 wrote: »

2020-88=1932
1932-1865=67


So his father was minimum 67 when he had a child?
I call BS on that one, slaves didnt live that long and didnt have children at that age.
Exactly the type of BS you'd expect from Washington Post

Long after leaving Massies Mill, Va., and moving up North as a young man in his 20s, Smith’s father, Abram Smith, married a woman who was decades younger and fathered six children. Dan, the fifth, was born in 1932 when Abram was 70. Only one sibling besides Dan — Abe, 92 — is still alive.

ELM327

Typical washington post nonsense

Overheal

ELM327 wrote: »

Typical washington post nonsense

Whats the problem now :rolleyes:

Chris_Heilong

ELM327 wrote: »

2020-88=1932
1932-1865=67


So his father was minimum 67 when he had a child?
I call BS on that one, slaves didnt live that long and didnt have children at that age.
Exactly the type of BS you'd expect from Washington Post

The Washington Post is such a rag, Almost as bad a the racist New York Times.

Overheal

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

The Washington Post is such a rag, Almost as bad a the racist New York Times.

As if you read either. You're regurgitating rightwing nonsense only.

ELM327

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

The Washington Post is such a rag, Almost as bad a the racist New York Times.

Yeah, its up there with CNN for me, Corrupt news network.

circadian

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

The Washington Post is such a rag, Almost as bad a the racist New York Times.

Thanks for the chuckle.

Overheal

We still have a lot of work to do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltmlvk9GAto

ELM327

I think those people understand the difference between "end racism/all lives matter" and the terrorist black supremacy group that is BLM

Tell me how

ELM327 wrote: »

I think those people understand the difference between "end racism/all lives matter" and the terrorist black supremacy group that is BLM

Evidence please.

biko

The NFAC
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/26/americas-race-protests-take-sinister-new-turn-show-force-armed/

"Then after that, the United States has a choice, they carve us a piece of land out here – we'll take Texas and let us do our own thing – or exodus out of here and go somewhere where they will give us our own land to build our own nation."

The NFAC isn't strictly BLM.
It doesn't allow non-black members, and it wants a separate "nation" for blacks only.
This is called black separatism - or apartheid.

WrenBoy

biko wrote: »

The NFAC
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/26/americas-race-protests-take-sinister-new-turn-show-force-armed/

The NFAC isn't strictly BLM.
It doesn't allow non-black members, and it wants a separate "nation" for blacks only.
This is called black separatism - or apartheid.

Thats hilarious.

Tell me how

biko wrote: »

The NFAC
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/26/americas-race-protests-take-sinister-new-turn-show-force-armed/

The NFAC isn't strictly BLM.
It doesn't allow non-black members, and it wants a separate "nation" for blacks only.
This is called black separatism - or apartheid.

NFAC

The Not F*cking Around Coalition (NFAC) is an armed Black militia in the United States.[1][2] While it has been linked to the New Black Panther Party,[3] it denies any connection to the Black Panther Party or Black Lives Matter.[4]

Bold added by me.

Would you accept the views of members of the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas as evidence that all US conservatives are racist?

biko

I would say NFAC is like uMkhonto we Sizwe

Carfacemandog

biko wrote: »

I would say NFAC is like uMkhonto we Sizwe

In what way? They were a wing of the ANC, while NFAC is explicitly against BLM - their leader is even on video stating "all lives matter".

biko

What makes you think they are opposed?
NFAC are not against BLM.
To say "all lives matter" doesn't exclude "black lives matter".


ANC struggled against the SA gov, and then Mandela thought it'd be handy with a military wing.
NFAC and BLM may not be governed by the same council but they are the same.

Carfacemandog

biko wrote: »

What makes you think they are opposed?
NFAC are not against BLM.
To say "all lives matter" doesn't exclude "black lives matter".

It is literally the slogan of those opposed to BLMs message, hard to take it any other way really.

Tell me how

biko wrote: »

What makes you think they are opposed?
NFAC are not against BLM.
To say "all lives matter" doesn't exclude "black lives matter".

Maybe, but they are not a part of BLM.

Or, are you suggesting that because they haven't specifically said that they oppose them, then that means that the ideals of the NFAC can be said to be the ideals of the BLM?

biko

https://orinocotribune.com/leader-of-radical-black-only-militia-nfac-believes-in-violence-wants-a-real-life-wakanda-for-every-black-person-in-america/

“We are here to protect the black community, as that’s who is under attack. Nobody is protecting black children, men and women in America. What necessitated the creation of NFAC was the need to address a rising tide of police brutality, of racial brutality, of unfairness in the judicial system,” he said.

Carfacemandog

biko wrote: »

https://orinocotribune.com/leader-of-radical-black-only-militia-nfac-believes-in-violence-wants-a-real-life-wakanda-for-every-black-person-in-america/

He seems to flip flop by the day, pretty sure we're looking at a grifter, someone highly mentally unstable, or both.

Overheal

Police have confirmed the infamous Umbrella Man was a white supremacist intent on inciting riot.

A masked white man who was seen in a viral video holding an umbrella and smashing the windows of a South Minneapolis auto parts store during the early days of protests over the killing of George Floyd has been identified by police as a suspected white supremacist who was seeking to incite racial violence.

The mysterious figure dubbed “umbrella man” on social media is a suspected member of the Hell’s Angels biker gang, the Star Tribune reported, citing a search warrant affidavit filed in court this week by a Minneapolis police arson investigator.

The police affidavit quoted by the paper says the man’s May 27 vandalism at an AutoZone near the city’s 3rd Precinct police station disrupted what had been a mostly peaceful demonstration two days after Floyd’s death in police custody. The automotive parts supply store was among the first buildings set aflame, triggering days of destructive protests that left a wide swath of the city burned and destroyed.

“This was the first fire that set off a string of fires and looting throughout the precinct and the rest of the city,” arson investigator Erika Christensen wrote in a court filing obtained by the Star Tribune. “Until the actions of the person your affiant has been calling ‘Umbrella man,’ the protests had been relatively peaceful. The actions of this person created an atmosphere of hostility and tension. Your affiant believes that this individual’s sole aim was to incite violence.”

Because the suspect has not been formally charged, the Star Tribune did not identify him, but describes him as a 32-year-old man who has also been implicated in another racial incident in nearby Stillwater, Minn., in which a Muslim woman was harassed by a group of men wearing white supremacist clothing. Police reportedly identified him based on a tip emailed to investigators last week.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/28/protests-live-updates/#link-BUONC2O5UVBUNLECIBLYQWXEV4

Prior to that, police say, the man, clad in black head-to-toe and carrying a black umbrella, had spray painted “free (expletive) for everyone zone” on the double front doors.

Christensen wrote in the affidavit that she watched “innumerable hours” of videos on social media platforms like Tik Tok, Snapchat, Instagram and YouTube to try to identify the suspect, to no avail. Investigators finally caught a break when a tipster e-mailed the Minneapolis Police Department identifying the man as a member of the Hell’s Angels biker gang who “wanted to sow discord and racial unrest by breaking out the windows and writing what he did on the double red doors,” the affidavit said.

A subsequent investigation revealed that the man was also an associate of the Aryan Cowboy Brotherhood, a small white supremacist prison and street gang based primarily in Minnesota and Kentucky. Several of its members were present at the Stillwater incident.

In the days after the rioting started, video of “Umbrella Man” ricocheted around social media, prompting a flurry of speculation about the man’s identity.

One widespread online rumor claimed “Umbrella Man” was a St. Paul police officer, apparently based on a tweet citing information from a “close friend” who claimed to have been married to the officer.

In response, St. Paul police released a series of time-stamped surveillance videos showing that the officer was in St. Paul at the time of the incident and police Chief Todd Axtell released a statement scolding social media users for spreading misinformation that could “jeopardize the officer’s reputation and safety and chip away at the trust this police department has worked so hard to build with its community.”

https://www.startribune.com/police-umbrella-man-was-a-white-supremacist-trying-to-incite-george-floyd-rioting/571932272/?refresh=true

theraj2020

The undermining of the police force in a number of these US cities from both protestors and the Local Government will surely result in a return to the bad old days of the 80s with crime out of control and CBDs becoming unsafe in some of these major US cities; Will we see history repeat itself and a return to "white flight" or capital flight from a number of these US cities worst effected to the suburbs or other US cities.

This could result in black communities becoming even more disadvantaged as businesses and commerce flee for stability; would be interested to know others opinions on what the end game and repercussions will be once all these protests abate.

Carfacemandog

Overheal wrote: »

Police have confirmed the infamous Umbrella Man was a white supremacist intent on inciting riot.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/28/protests-live-updates/#link-BUONC2O5UVBUNLECIBLYQWXEV4



https://www.startribune.com/police-umbrella-man-was-a-white-supremacist-trying-to-incite-george-floyd-rioting/571932272/?refresh=true

I've been really interested in that guy since I saw the video originally, and even made a thread in the conspiracy theories forum on it. It's been peculiar to me just how little interest the conspiracy types have had in that specific incident given it has every single hallmark of popular ones, though given the pattern of far right instigators and terrorists during these riots and protests, it's hardly a surprise to see this was just another of them.

Foxtrol

theraj2020 wrote: »

The undermining of the police force in a number of these US cities from both protestors and the Local Government will surely result in a return to the bad old days of the 80s with crime out of control and CBDs becoming unsafe in some of these major US cities; Will we see history repeat itself and a return to "white flight" or capital flight from a number of these US cities worst effected to the suburbs or other US cities.

This could result in black communities becoming even more disadvantaged as businesses and commerce flee for stability; would be interested to know others opinions on what the end game and repercussions will be once all these protests abate.

There has already been an exodus from US cities.

People with a certain axe to grind will claim causation due to increased protests/crime etc but it will be easily traced back to the start of COVID. These people won't care and will keep repeating their claims.