BLM, or WLM? [MOD WARNING: FIRST POST]

Detritus70

Detritus70 wrote: »

"I know you are, but what am I"
That's the level of argument here.

No. It's not.

I don't judge people on their skin colour. Do you?

Detritus70

Detritus70 wrote: »

And isn't it exactly what BLM is there to highlight? it is a US movement after all.
This thread is about BLM. It is not about Ethopia. This is just whhataboutery to drag the argument off topic.

Whereas your experience of Ireland and Germany is incredibly relevant. Funny how that works, isn't it? :rolleyes:

It's also funny how often posters contribute crap, and then deflect rather than defend what they've said.

RobbieTheRobber

Sterling Heights police officer on leave in racist Facebook post investigation

The post, shown in a WXYZ report on Wednesday, included the image of Floyd on the ground with now-former Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chauvin’s knee on his neck.

“When you gotta change a tire but don’t wanna get your trousers dirty,” the post read, according to the WXYZ report.

Another racist police officer, what a vile thing to post. Absolutely disgusting behaviour. The fact so many incidents happen and are posted on public forums shows how little racists have been concerned about any repercussions.
I hope he is not just kicked form the police force but also face criminal sanctions. Simply disgusting.

All fair thinking individuals should call out this type of behaviour.


https://eu.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/macomb/2021/02/25/sterling-heights-police-officer-accused-george-floyd-racist-facebook-post/6810404002/

RobbieTheRobber

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Sterling Heights police officer on leave in racist Facebook post investigation



Another racist police officer, what a vile thing to post. Absolutely disgusting behaviour. The fact so many incidents happen and are posted on public forums shows how little racists have been concerned about any repercussions.
I hope he is not just kicked form the police force but also face criminal sanctions. Simply disgusting.

All fair thinking individuals should call out this type of behaviour.


https://eu.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/macomb/2021/02/25/sterling-heights-police-officer-accused-george-floyd-racist-facebook-post/6810404002/

How is it racist?

Tasteless. Yes.

Racist? Why?

Detritus70

Deleted User wrote: »

Whereas your experience of Ireland and Germany is incredibly relevant. Funny how that works, isn't it? :rolleyes:

It's also funny how often posters contribute crap, and then deflect rather than defend what they've said.

Apparently a lot of black folks in the US seem concerned. If they say so in their millions, who am I (or anyone else on this post) who isn't an African-American to argue otherwise?
If you do, you're telling black people in the US "actually I know your situation better than you" and isn't that just a tiny bit presumptive?
Actually no, it's massively arrogant and condescending at the very least, veering towards hateful.
This forum really is a toilet.

RobbieTheRobber

Well....

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

I hope he is not just kicked form the police force but also face criminal sanctions. Simply disgusting.

All fair thinking individuals should call out this type of behaviour.


https://eu.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/macomb/2021/02/25/sterling-heights-police-officer-accused-george-floyd-racist-facebook-post/6810404002/

Am I allowed hold a personal opinion and express that opinion?

Detritus70

Detritus70 wrote: »

Apparently a lot of black folks in the US seem concerned. If they say so in their millions, who am I (or anyone else on this post) who isn't an African-American to argue otherwise?
If you do, you're telling black people in the US "actually I know your situation better than you" and isn't that just a tiny bit presumptive?
Actually no, it's massively arrogant and condescending at the very least, veering towards hateful.
This forum really is a toilet.

And this is why I oppose "hate speech" laws. It's because people like this would be able to define what I can and can't say.

RobbieTheRobber

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Sack the racist and move on. Absolutely unacceptable for the police to make these remarks to anyone!

Avon and Somerset Police new PC 'made racist' remarks







Ah the good ol I'm not racist, despite saying very obviously racist things

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-somerset-56201977

Serbemscu from Somerset.. The exact name I'd imagine to be an aul white supremacist.

Great advert for the fact that there's no inclusion.

Definitely anti immigration too.

WrenBoy

Detritus70 wrote: »

It's simple. I'll break it down. I'll even talk slow and explain the longer words.
BLM, because systemic* racism in the US. (meaning it's everywhere).
This is not about you, you whiney little bitch. Not everything is. Nobody was even paying attention or even looking at you until you jumped up and started going "But! But! But! What About Me?!"
Well, what about you?
Nothing!
Stop whining and pay attention why this is a thing!
Message ends, thank you for your custom, if you have any questions, just re-read this message.
Have a splendid day.

And yes. If you keep saying ALL Lives matter, even though you could and should have just read up on BLM and the difference to the KKK, then you are now officially racist. Congratulations!
Has it ever occured to you why you always hear about racists attacks on minorities, but never on white people?
No one has ever called me a white cnut or attacked me because of my color. I am aware that as a caucasian male I have certain advantages. And that even here in Europe. I live in Germany and I am fully aware that a lot of peope will instantly dislike black people. I've lived in Ireland and don't tell me it's not the same. Because if you do, your're either a liar or a moron.
It would be extremely idiotic to suggest otherwise. I think I would forget to breathe if I lowered my IQ to that point.

All lives do in fact matter though.

WrenBoy

WrenBoy wrote: »

All lives do in fact matter though.

Ugh. Racist.

WrenBoy

WrenBoy wrote: »

All lives do in fact matter though.

Smacks of privileged experience

RobbieTheRobber

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's tasteless.

tasteless
/ˈteɪs(t)ləs/
adjective
1.
lacking flavour.
"the vegetables were watery and tasteless"

2.
considered to be lacking in aesthetic judgement or to constitute inappropriate behaviour.
"a tasteless joke"


That's your definition and take on this incident. Tasteless?

Detritus70

Detritus70 wrote: »

Apparently a lot of black folks in the US seem concerned. If they say so in their millions, who am I (or anyone else on this post) who isn't an African-American to argue otherwise?

So.. in your eyes, only African-Americans should be allowed to discuss this topic? Even though, large numbers of white (and other racial groups) have been involved in the fight for racial equality?

In any case, you're attempting to shift goalposts, away from your original post.

If you do, you're telling black people in the US "actually I know your situation better than you" and isn't that just a tiny bit presumptive?
Actually no, it's massively arrogant and condescending at the very least, veering towards hateful.

Strangely enough, you're the only person assuming to know what Black people feel or don't feel... We, on the other hand, can and should be able to draw on our own experiences of racism, which provides perspective .

As for being arrogant and condescending.. you're mastering that quite well, all by yourself. Jesus.. the double standards are just flowing off you.

This forum really is a toilet.

Actually, no, it's not... but then, I've noticed that certain kinds of posters appear, post some crap expecting to be hailed as messiahs and then, when they meet any kind of resistance to their 'enlightened' views, they retreat behind insults or seek to dismiss the forum as a whole.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

It's tasteless.

I don't find it amusing and I'm not happy It exists.

But no,I don't find it anymore racist than your assertion that most posters on here are ok with racism.

Just because I don't agree with something, doesn't mean I want it erased or feel an example is proof of systemic prevalence in society

If the person on the ground, was white, then it wouldn't be racist. Since a Black person is held that way, it is racist. It's not about what was said... it's the fact that they're showing Black people as potentially being criminals, and so, racist.

At least, that's the logic I've figured out so far about these kind of accusations.

RobbieTheRobber

Boy, 17, arrested after racist graffiti scrawled on Northern Quarter George Floyd mural

The stupidity of Racists. Thinking he could do is in a very high CCTV area. Caught but I wouldn't expect much punishment.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/boy-17-arrested-george-floyd-19922702

Probably wasn't racist eh the dunne probably just tasteless!

RobbieTheRobber

Deleted User wrote: »

If the person on the ground, was white, then it wouldn't be racist. Since a Black person is held that way, it is racist. It's not about what was said... it's the fact that they're showing Black people as potentially being criminals, and so, racist.

At least, that's the logic I've figured out so far about these kind of accusations.

“When you gotta change a tire but don’t wanna get your trousers dirty,”

And picture of George Flyod being killed had no racist intent.
Is that your take Klaz?

BattleCorp

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Thanks.

Once again only seeing what you want to see.

You do realise that you aren't actually making an argument in any of your posts. All you are doing is posting links to media articles detailing where something racist happened.

Nobody on here is saying racist things aren't happening so what's your game?

Actually it's pointless trying to discuss anyting with you.

wicklowstevo

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

tasteless
/ˈteɪs(t)ləs/
adjective
1.
lacking flavour.
"the vegetables were watery and tasteless"

2.
considered to be lacking in aesthetic judgement or to constitute inappropriate behaviour.
"a tasteless joke"


That's your definition and take on this incident. Tasteless?

I think this is much more your own problem rather than everyone elses


https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-40124781

Detritus70

Deleted User wrote: »

So.. in your eyes, only African-Americans should be allowed to discuss this topic? Even though, large numbers of white (and other racial groups) have been involved in the fight for racial equality?

Not my point.
My point is, if you're a white, European, reasonably comfortable person, you really shouldn't say "actuallly, those BLM guys don't know sh*t, I know better than them".

RobbieTheRobber

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

tasteless
/ˈteɪs(t)ləs/
adjective
1.
lacking flavour.
"the vegetables were watery and tasteless"

2.
considered to be lacking in aesthetic judgement or to constitute inappropriate behaviour.
"a tasteless joke"


That's your definition and take on this incident. Tasteless?

Yes. I feel it was inappropriate.

What's yours?

As I've pointed out, if you want dictionary definitions of the word "racist", you fit into that description

a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that one's own racial group is superior or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others

I treat every person equally. You seem intent on giving others a "leg up" because you feel they are being treated as inferior.

That's racist.

Detritus70

Detritus70 wrote: »

Not my point.
My point is, if you're a white, European, reasonably comfortable person, you really shouldn't say "actuallly, those BLM guys don't know sh*t, I know better than them".

I don't know what it's like to be black in the same way black people don't know what it's like to be white.

But what about it? Should we do segregation again? Do you feel sorry for black people?

RobbieTheRobber

wicklowstevo wrote: »

I think this is much more your own problem rather than everyone elses


https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-40124781

Yeah Stevo not being able to admit that what the police officer did by posting that image and his despicable comment is racist is my implicit bias showing.
:D:D:D

The denial is strong in this one!

wicklowstevo

Deleted User wrote: »

If the person on the ground, was a white CRIMINAL , then it wouldn't be racist. Since a Black CRIMINAL is held that way, it is racist. It's not about what was said... it's the fact that they're showing Black people as potentially being criminals, and so, racist.

At least, that's the logic I've figured out so far about these kind of accusations.

I wonder if this makes it more or less comfortable for some people

RobbieTheRobber

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

“When you gotta change a tire but don’t wanna get your trousers dirty,”

And picture of George Flyod being killed had no racist intent.
Is that your take Klaz?

His trousers were on a black persons neck. The implication therefore can't mean the black person was dirty.

It's a silly and purposely controversial"joke".

Not an indication of systemic racism

wicklowstevo

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Yeah Stevo not being able to admit that what the police officer did by posting that image and his despicable comment is racist is my implicit bias showing.
:D:D:D

The denial is strong in this one!

didn't even read the article did you ? just want to label every one a racist to make your self feel like good guy

WrenBoy

Detritus70 wrote: »

Not my point.
My point is, if you're a white, European, reasonably comfortable person, you really shouldn't say "actuallly, those BLM guys don't know sh*t, I know better than them".

Far be it from me to tell you what you were trying to say but it seemed the thrust was more that us "whiney little bitches" should shut up and support the organisation known as BLM because we are white and racism is "everywhere" in every institution.
Also stating the belief that all lives are of equal value is Racist. That white people are are never the victim of racist attacks (laughable) but they are constantly attacking minorities. To be honest I thought it was satire.

Detritus70 wrote: »

It's simple. I'll break it down. I'll even talk slow and explain the longer words.
BLM, because systemic* racism in the US. (meaning it's everywhere).
This is not about you, you whiney little bitch. Not everything is. Nobody was even paying attention or even looking at you until you jumped up and started going "But! But! But! What About Me?!"
Well, what about you?
Nothing!
Stop whining and pay attention why this is a thing!
Message ends, thank you for your custom, if you have any questions, just re-read this message.
Have a splendid day.

And yes. If you keep saying ALL Lives matter, even though you could and should have just read up on BLM and the difference to the KKK, then you are now officially racist. Congratulations!
Has it ever occured to you why you always hear about racists attacks on minorities, but never on white people?
No one has ever called me a white cnut or attacked me because of my color. I am aware that as a caucasian male I have certain advantages. And that even here in Europe. I live in Germany and I am fully aware that a lot of peope will instantly dislike black people. I've lived in Ireland and don't tell me it's not the same. Because if you do, your're either a liar or a moron.
It would be extremely idiotic to suggest otherwise. I think I would forget to breathe if I lowered my IQ to that point.

Detritus70

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't know what it's like to be black in the same way black people don't know what it's like to be white.

But what about it? Should we do segregation again? Do you feel sorry for black people?

Why do you want segregation?

Detritus70

WrenBoy wrote: »

Far be it from me to tell you what you were trying to say but it seemed the thrust was more that us "whiney little bitches" should shut up and support the organisation known as BLM because we are white and racism is "everywhere" in every institution.
Also stating the belief that all lives are of equal value is Racist. That white people are are never the victim of racist attacks (laughable) but they are constantly attacking minorities. To be honest I thought it was satire.

Ah, found your level of understanding. I did have to dumb it down considerably
It is it of course far more complex than that, but I don't want to overtax your intellect.

WrenBoy

Detritus70 wrote: »

Ah, found your level of understanding. I did have to dumb it down considerably

Please do. It was obviously to high brow for me especially the cnut part

RobbieTheRobber

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes. I feel it was inappropriate.

What's yours?

As I've pointed out, if you want dictionary definitions of the word "racist", you fit into that description



I treat every person equally. You seem intent on giving others a "leg up" because you feel they are being treated as inferior.

That's racist.

It was racism!

racism
/ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/
noun
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

You state I'm racist. With no evidence.

Then you make up something I just simply haven't said and put it in quotation marks (""). Your deluded.

Is the reason you refuse to admit this is racism because you are scared to be shown agreeing with something I post?