BLM, or WLM? [MOD WARNING: FIRST POST]

TomTomTim

Chips Lovell wrote: »

I don't know. I'm not involved in Black Lives Matter, but I would have assumed that one of the assumptions underpinning it is not that black people are incapable of wrongdoing or racially motivated attacks, but rather that they're disproportionally the victims of heavy handed policing.

It's only disproportionate if you ignore their crimes rates

1800_Ladladlad

In Colorado, A 29 y/o Michael Conner, a white male, was attacked and stabbed while out walking his dog. He was approached by Steve Anthony Sinclair, a 30 y/o black male who was carrying two steak knives.

Sinclair reportedly told Conner that he was going to kill him and his dog and yelled black lives matter before carrying out the attack. When the police arrived Sinclair was covered in blood and continued to repeat the BLM slogan.

The racist attack resulted in Sinclair facing hate crime and attempted murder charges.

Does this lad represent all black people? No. He's just a racist scumbag who just happens to be black. When you reverse these roles, Black Lives Matter. White supremacy, the white male etc etc


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Chips Lovell

TomTomTim wrote: »

It's only disproportionate if you ignore their crimes rates

Correlation =/= causation. While it's technically correct to say black people commit more crime, it's also correct to say that poor people commit more crime (or to be even more precise poor people are convicted of more crimes), and black people are more likely to be poor. That's not even getting into the consideration of whether every interaction with the police is linked to an actual crime.

stefanovich

Chips Lovell wrote: »

Correlation =/= causation. While it's technically correct to say black people commit more crime, it's also correct to say that poor people commit more crime (or to be even more precise poor people are convicted of more crimes), and black people are more likely to be poor. That's not even getting into the consideration of whether every interaction with the police is linked to an actual crime.

It's a complex one. Poor white people get convicted of crime a lot less than poor black people. Is it because the criminal justice system is systemically biased?

I do think the glorification of violence and crime with rap music has been a net negative within the black community. Lots of negative role models.

WrenBoy

stefanovich wrote: »

It's a complex one. Poor white people get convicted of crime a lot less than poor black people. Is it because the criminal justice system is systemically biased?

I do think the glorification of violence and crime with rap music has been a net negative within the black community. Lots of negative role models.

Then you'd be looking at culture being the issue, rather than race.

Cordell

The simple fact that after all tis time we don't have any statistical proof that police targets blacks disproportionately speak volumes.
We only have some thugs depicted as saints heroes and martyrs, and riots and looting.

BattleCorp

Chips Lovell wrote: »

That's not even getting into the consideration of whether every interaction with the police is linked to an actual crime.

If you are not committing a crime then what's the chances that you are going to get shot by them? I'd say rapidly approaching zero would be my guess.

Act the fcuk and the chances of getting shot go up from there.

stefanovich

stefanovich wrote: »

It's a complex one. Poor white people get convicted of crime a lot less than poor black people. Is it because the criminal justice system is systemically biased?

The difference is where you're likely to see the different racial groups living. Poor white people (communities as opposed to homeless) in the US are often living on the outskirts of cities or out in the countryside. So, you tend to find concentrations of poor white people living in small towns as opposed to the cities, which is where you'll find greater numbers of Black people being concentrated (that's not to say that there aren't poor black people in the countryside, but if you consider the concentrations by population...).

It's similar with Hispanics, which are greatly represented in the cities (except in the Southwest, where they're more present in the countryside), and Hispanics often represent a larger portion of poverty than black people.

In both cases, of Black people and Hispanics, you see them highly represented in crime statistics, especially that of violent crimes... and I suspect that's because of the concentrations of lower economic groups in the cities... The countryside beats to a different kind of drum when it comes to the law enforcement.

Sure, there are going to be some biases, but the question is how much of that bias is based on the behavior of these groups over the years... How much of the bias in law enforcement is reacting to higher risk coming from Black or Hispanic groups, as opposed to White people? It's a relevant question, but it's rarely considered objectively.

I do think the glorification of violence and crime with rap music has been a net negative within the black community. Lots of negative role models.

African American culture has a lot of downsides to it (the community silence regarding Black crime being a big one, as is the cultural perspective on drugs or domestic violence). Same with the Redneck culture for many white people. However, Black people really needs to start considering these negatives within their own culture, and seek to resolve them, rather than constantly passing all responsibility over to white people. Blaming others will carry you only so far..

Cordell

Black people really needs to start considering these negatives within their own culture, and seek to resolve them

They started it, even with hip hop culture, but then gangsta rap came along. And even that was a manifest more than glorification in the beginning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezUA5C5uMDU (he's one of the first hiphop artists)

Cordell

Cordell wrote: »

They started it, even with hip hop culture, but then gangsta rap came along. And even that was a manifest more than glorification in the beginning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezUA5C5uMDU (he's one of the first hiphop artists)

I've seen little indication that they're seeking to resolve their cultural problems with regards to single motherhood, drugs/alcohol abuse, domestic abuse, violent crime, etc. A few community driven initiatives, but few commentators talking about the aspects of Black culture that encourage such behavior to continue, except when it involves blaming American (white) society for it happening. It's just a blame game, rather than seeking to resolve the problems.

Sweetemotion

Deleted User wrote: »

I've seen little indication that they're seeking to resolve their cultural problems with regards to single motherhood, drugs/alcohol abuse, domestic abuse, violent crime, etc. A few community driven initiatives, but few commentators talking about the aspects of Black culture that encourage such behavior to continue, except when it involves blaming American (white) society for it happening. It's just a blame game, rather than seeking to resolve the problems.

When you're told you're a victim for so long, you start to believe it.


The Black community need more people, like this young man.

BanditLuke

Blacks need to start taking responsibility for their own actions. They are targeted more because they statistically are responsible for more crime than other demographics in America. The victim complex is old and tired.

BanditLuke

BanditLuke wrote: »

Blacks need to start taking responsibility for their own actions. They are targeted more because they statistically are responsible for more crime than other demographics in America. The victim complex is old and tired.

While I agree with the sentiment to an extent, I disagree with the phrasing.

Nobody needs to take responsibility for the actions of others. Be responsible for your own actions.

I don't take responsibility for the actions of other people of my colour.

1800_Ladladlad

Good Morning Britain interviewing all of George Floyd's family today. They are milking it, all under the guise of their sons death of course.

biko

BLM activist accused of committing anti-Asian hate crimes in Seattle.

King County prosecutors charged 51-year-old Christopher Allen Hamner, of SeaTac, Wash., with a felony hate crime for targeting multiple Asian victims on two separate occasions in March. Hamner, who is mixed-race, is accused of threatening women and children of Asian background as young as five years old with racial slurs.

https://amp.thepostmillennial.com/exclusive-seattle-social-justice-activist-charged-over-anti-asian-hate-attacks

1800_Ladladlad

A horrific, unprovoked racist attack in NYC yesterday on an 65 y/o Asian American woman by an African American man who told her she doesn't belong "here" while stomping on her head. Look at how the security guards close the door on her and leave there on the ground without helping her. They didn't even bother to intervene. Spineless

The woman is in stable condition and it is unknown if there are any no permanent damage.


https://twitter.com/CeFaanKim/status/1376698713582796804

https://abc7ny.com/asian-hate-woman-attacked-midtown-caught-on-camera/10457603/

biko

That reminded me of the attack on NYC subway yesterday.
A man strangles another man unconscious while people look on.
It should be noted that the details around this fight are not currently known.
It also is not confirmed if the man in the white shirt is of Asian background.

Warning this is very violent!

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1376665873495244802?s=20

V8 Interceptor

More white supremacism.

TomTomTim

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

More white supremacism.

There's blacktivists in the comments literally blaming Trump and white supremacy:

https://twitter.com/elites_the/status/1376710492228583424

https://twitter.com/JayJay45196842/status/1376740740139716608

There isn't any language accurate enough to describe this level of stupidity

WrenBoy

So its evolving now. Now its no matter the offenders race, types of crime are now assigned to white people. Its just a coincidence that a black person has engaged in a white supremacist crime.

Real Donald Trump

Shocking stuff this, CNN referred to it as an accident :rolleyes:

Kivaro

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

Shocking stuff this, CNN referred to it as an accident :rolleyes:

There has been a number of incidents in Washington DC in the last couple of weeks where African American teens killed innocent people. The latest incident involved teen girls, who have been charged with murder. Yet there is no outrage, no marches, no protests. And mainstream media barely covers it.

Unless we talk about it and acknowledge the problem, we can't try to fix it.

Real Donald Trump

Kivaro wrote: »

There has been a number of incidents in Washington DC in the last couple of weeks where African American teens killed innocent people. The latest incident involved teen girls, who have been charged with murder. Yet there is no outrage, no marches, no protests. And mainstream media barely covers it.

Unless we talk about it and acknowledge the problem, we can't try to fix it.

Indeed, the media are a huge part of the problem.

Quantum Erasure

They give the actual headline in the linked article: Teen girls charged with murder, carjacking of Uber Eats driver in Washington, DC

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1375881068847509504


accident
noun
1.
an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.

stefanovich

biko wrote: »

That reminded me of the attack on NYC subway yesterday.
A man strangles another man unconscious while people look on.
It should be noted that the details around this fight are not currently known.
It also is not confirmed if the man in the white shirt is of Asian background.

Warning this is very violent!

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1376665873495244802?s=20

Look at all those people watching and filming and not jumping to the poor man’s aid.

Dr. Bre

CNN are as bad as Fox

ExMachina1000

stefanovich wrote: »

Look at all those people watching and filming and not jumping to the poor man’s aid.

https://twitter.com/WuhanBilby/status/1376643086009294849?s=20

It's just sad at this stage

Jerrykay6

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/WuhanBilby/status/1376643086009294849?s=20

It's just sad at this stage

What is causing the delusion seen in woke Twitter types. Do they genuinely believe the nonsense they are spewing or is there something more sinister afoot?

NSAman

Jerrykay6 wrote: »

What is causing the delusion seen in woke Twitter types. Do they genuinely believe the nonsense they are spewing or is there something more sinister afoot?

I cannot explain it, but there an absolute brainwashing of youth going on in schools. It’s going to all end in tears, is my personal view.

People are people, no matter what race, colour, creed, sexuality. Dividing people seems to be the mantra nowadays. I personally hate it.

Kivaro

Dr. Bre wrote: »

CNN are as bad as Fox

CNN classified the incident with the Uber driver as an accident, yet the police have charged the teen girls involved with murder. So CNN is deliberately trying to subvert the course of justice by mis-reporting the event as an accident, which could influence future jurors in this case.

Unfortunately CNN is now a completely biased news reporting organisation, so they cannot be trusted as a news provider.