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BLM, or WLM? [MOD WARNING: FIRST POST]

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    #9272
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    biko wrote: »
    Speaking of BLM founder Patrisse Cullors, she has stepped down officially.
    https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/world-57279346

    With all the dough :pac:

    Clicked on the link and got the cookies thing :
    "Let us know say you agree to cookies
    We use cookies to give you di best online experience. Abeg let us know if you gree to all od dif cookies dem.

    Yes, I agree
    No, cari me go settings" hahaha


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    #9273
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,415 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    biko wrote: »
    Speaking of BLM founder Patrisse Cullors, she has stepped down officially.
    https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/world-57279346

    Why did you share it in pidgin?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #9274
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,415 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Were they really her words..... Oh dear god these people are insane.

    No they weren't her words. Biko shared it in Pidgin, either for the lolz or for some other unknown reason.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57277777

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #9275
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    That pidgin thing is brilliant. Has it always been a thing?


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    #9276
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,415 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    John Doe1 wrote: »
    Isn't it weird how Japanese Americans were put in concentration camps by their countrymen within the living memory of people alive today and yet they have managed to thrive and not hold a grudge?

    Are you kidding me? They absolutely hold a grudge and rightly so. You can't compare a few years on injustice to 400 years of injustice. The impacts are completely different.
    Isnt it weird how Jews are some of the most successful people on Earth despite an attempt to end them as a race and by and large do not blame modern day Germans?

    The main issue that American Black people face is the toxic culture they grow up surrounded by inside their own community. No amount of reparations or BLM marches will change their lack of advancement until they change their culture

    This "toxic culture" is a large part of the problem. It wasn't created in a vacuum.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #9277
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,415 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    That pidgin thing is brilliant. Has it always been a thing?

    It's a common way of communicating in Africa. What's brilliant about it?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #9278
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Brian? wrote: »
    It's a common way of communicating in Africa. What's brilliant about it?

    Its very funny in fairness especially when read on the BBC site when they are trying to give this air of seriousness reportage


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    #9279
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Brian? wrote: »
    Why did you share it in pidgin?
    It was first result I saw on web search, hope pidgin is ok for you?


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    #9280
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Brian? wrote: »
    It's a common way of communicating in Africa. What's brilliant about it?

    It's pleasing to read.

    Cool yer jets inspector. You wont find the racism you are looking for here.


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    #9281
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,415 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    biko wrote: »
    It was first result I saw on web search, hope pidgin is ok for you?

    No it wasn't. I'll leave you to your nonsense though

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #9282
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,415 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It's pleasing to read.

    Cool yer jets inspector. You wont find the racism you are looking for here.

    I didn't say it was racism. It's ignorance, but i wouldn't class it as racism.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #9283
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Brian? wrote: »
    I didn't say it was racism. It's ignorance, but i wouldn't class it as racism.

    Ignorance?

    Care to explain why?

    I admit, I was ignorant to the fact that the setting existed. Is that what you mean?


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    #9284
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,415 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Ignorance?

    Care to explain why?

    I admit, I was ignorant to the fact that the setting existed. Is that what you mean?

    That's exactly what I meant. Yes.

    There are 75,000,000 people who speak Pidgin as a first language and many multiples of that who use it as a common language in Africa. I'm surprised people don't known it exists

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #9285
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Brian? wrote: »
    No it wasn't. I'll leave you to your nonsense though

    It's here - the BBC link. I won't hold my breath for an apology...
    Screenshot-1.png


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    #9286
    Salvation Tambourine
    Registered Users Posts: 931 ✭✭✭Salvation Tambourine


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ignorance?

    Care to explain why?

    I admit, I was ignorant to the fact that the setting existed. Is that what you mean?

    You're meant to know everything in the world ever


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    #9287
    [Deleted User]
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    Brian? wrote: »
    That's exactly what I meant. Yes.

    There are 75,000,000 people who speak Pidgin as a first language and many multiples of that who use it as a common language in Africa. I'm surprised people don't known it exists

    I knew the language existed. I didn't know the BBC had a feature that changed their site into it.

    We both know you were just waiting for an opportunity to jump at anything you could even slightly call racist though.

    Unfortunately for you, nobody bit.

    Don't lie.


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    #9288
    [Deleted User]
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    Brian? wrote: »
    No they weren't her words. Biko shared it in Pidgin, either for the lolz or for some other unknown reason.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57277777
    Brian? wrote: »
    Why did you share it in pidgin?
    Deleted User wrote: »
    That pidgin thing is brilliant. Has it always been a thing?
    Brian? wrote: »
    It's a common way of communicating in Africa. What's brilliant about it?
    biko wrote: »
    It was first result I saw on web search, hope pidgin is ok for you?
    Brian? wrote: »
    No it wasn't. I'll leave you to your nonsense though

    Definitely not angling for a bite...


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    #9289
    [Deleted User]
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    Brian? wrote: »
    Allow? It’s not up to me to allow or not allow. I prefer to discuss things that are relevant to the discussion at hand though.

    Some of the worst racism I’ve ever heard was a black African speaking about different black Africans. That’s irrelevant thought when discussing the systemic racism that BLM is a response to.

    I meant allow in the sense that you would disengage with the person, and the discussion would be unable to proceed between you and that person.

    The African slave traders are just as responsible as the European ones for the systematic racism that these slaves endured. Secondly, BLM is proposed as a worldwide movement. As such, the black slave trade should be at the forefront of the discussion, particularly taking into account its continued existence today in Africa.

    That of course assuming that supporters of BLM actually care about black lives as a whole, as opposed to Western black lives, predominantly in Anglo-phone countries.


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    #9290
    DavidLyons_
    Registered Users Posts: 1,255 ✭✭✭DavidLyons_


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Definitely not angling for a bite...

    To quote another poster, "You've got the patience of a Saint young man!"


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    #9291
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,415 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Definitely not angling for a bite...

    I don't need to angle. Theres plenty of bigotry to go round.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #9292
    John Doe1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    Brian? wrote: »
    Are you kidding me? They absolutely hold a grudge and rightly so. You can't compare a few years on injustice to 400 years of injustice. The impacts are completely different.



    This "toxic culture" is a large part of the problem. It wasn't created in a vacuum.

    Proof of widescale Japanese American blaming white people for their problems please?

    Irish people were oppressed for nearly a millenia, viewed as a lesser race, had their culture and language stamped out, made intentured servants and committed genocide on. (within last 170 years). Am I allowed to loot a shop and blame all my failings on the English man?

    Another problem is with this marxist oppressed/oppressor worldview, Marxism has caused more human misery than any ideology in history while capitalism has improved humanity in almost every metric. (Read Steven Pinker)

    So black people have no part to play in the problems they face, that's awfully convenient....


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    #9293
    [Deleted User]
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    Brian? wrote: »
    I don't need to angle. Theres plenty of bigotry to go round.

    Lol.

    Vague and scurrilous accusations about nobody in particular in order to show personal virtue.

    Sounds about right.


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    #9294
    Duffy the Vampire Slayer
    Registered Users Posts: 5,382 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    Cordell wrote: »
    Even so. We can't blame them more than the people that actually enslaved the slaves. It's like blaming drug users for the drug trade, like blaming joe here in Ireland that his coke habit is what gets people killed in Colombia.

    In any case, those white slave owners, black slaves and black slave traders are long dead now. There are black slaves still enslaved by black slavers and owned by black owners, this is happening today and it has real consequences in Africa, and not something that happened hundreds of years ago.

    But it does?


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    #9295
    AbusesToilets
    Registered Users Posts: 10,491 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Brian? critizing folks for generalizing when they talk about "African" slave traders.

    Also Brian? - African Americans presented as a homogeneous group.

    Unless they came from an African country, they're Americans. Hyphenating them promotes division and a segregationist viewpoint.


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    #9296
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Lol.

    Vague and scurrilous accusations about nobody in particular in order to show personal virtue.

    Sounds about right.


    sounds more about left ;-)


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    #9297
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Brian? wrote: »
    No they weren't her words. Biko shared it in Pidgin, either for the lolz or for some other unknown reason.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57277777


    So, basically after fighting against capitalism, she made enough money to buy a few millions dollar properties and retired.

    Makes perfect sense


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    #9298
    kildare lad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    So, basically after fighting against capitalism, she made enough money to buy a few millions dollar properties and retired.

    Makes perfect sense

    Nothing screams that you're against capitalism and white privilege as buying million dollar mansions in white neighborhoods. I follow basketball and am on a predominantly black forum in the US. Most posters have no time for have BLM anymore when compared to their attitudes a year ago . They were also extremely annoyed to see a lot BLM donating lots of funds to trans/LGBT groups aswell. Many off the posts regarding the issue would have gotten you an automatic ban from boards


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    #9299
    newhouse87
    Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9625629/REFUND-police-Cities-reversing-cuts-police-budgets-increasing-them.html

    Defunding the police didn't last too long.


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    #9300
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Considering murders in Portland rose 800% it's probably a good idea to have police.

    image.jpg


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    #9301
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users Posts: 15,436 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    biko wrote: »
    Considering murders in Portland rose 800% it's probably a good idea to have police.

    image.jpg



    Can you post a source and a bit of context on that graphic?


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