BLM, or WLM? [MOD WARNING: FIRST POST]

30-05-2021 8:38pm

Ha Long Bay wrote: »

Can you post a source and a bit of context on that graphic?

I may be a little silly, but is the source not on the bottom of the graphic?

Disclaimer: I haven't checked the legitimacy myself

biko · 30-05-2021 8:38pm

Yes, the image has the information.
Source and that it is a comparison between 2020 and 2021.

Ha Long Bay · 30-05-2021 8:44pm

biko wrote: »

Yes, the image has the information.
Source and that it is a comparison between 2020 and 2021.

Who are the Fraternal Order of Police and can you link to the source information from the graphic you posted?

biko · 30-05-2021 8:47pm

Some things you just could google yourself, it's all out there.

But in short they are the largest police organisation in the US (they themselves claim)*

Info is from their FB page
https://www.facebook.com/GLFOP/posts/4619722234708566

* the world it seems
The Fraternal Order of Police is the world’s largest organization of sworn law enforcement officers, with more than 356,000 members in more than 2,100 lodges.

BattleCorp · 30-05-2021 8:48pm

Ha Long Bay wrote: »

Who are the Fraternal Order of Police and can you link to the source information from the graphic you posted?

It's on this link, just scroll down and you'll see it.

https://fop.net/

1800_Ladladlad · 30-05-2021 8:51pm

Founder Of Black Lives Matter In St. Paul: ‘I Resigned’ After ‘I Learned The Ugly Truth’ As ‘Insider’ http://dlvr.it/S0kGWZ

ehhhh

Ha Long Bay · 30-05-2021 8:52pm

biko wrote: »

Some things you just could google yourself, it's all out there.

But in short they are the largest police organisation in the world (they themselves claim).

Info is from their FB page
https://www.facebook.com/GLFOP/posts/4619722234708566

Had a quick look as well.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2017/10/11/why-the-fraternal-order-of-police-must-go

"“A PACK OF RABID ANIMALS.” That’s how John McNesby, president of the Philadelphia Fraternal Order of Police, described local Black Lives Matter activists who picketed outside the home of a Philly cop who shot black suspects in the back on two separate occasions. After the officer was suspended, the local FOP had a fundraiser for him, with proceeds from the $40-per-ticket event going toward the officer’s living expenses."

Back to the original question any context to the infographic you posted?

BattleCorp · 30-05-2021 8:55pm

Ha Long Bay wrote: »

Back to the original question any context to the infographic you posted?

What context are you looking for? The FOP posted the stats, probably to show that serious crime is on the increase in areas that decided to defund the police.

I've no idea if the stats are correct or not, but I'll do a bit of digging.

biko · 30-05-2021 8:56pm

Ha Long Bay wrote: »

Back to the original question any context to the infographic you posted?

That police is needed. The BLM movements attempts to defund the police has cost a lot of people their lives and that needs to be fixed.

Ha Long Bay · 30-05-2021 8:57pm

biko wrote: »

That police is needed. The BLM movements attempts to defund the police has cost a lot of people their lives and that needs to be fixed.

If there is no source or background to it that's grand just say it. If there is one please include it in your post.

biko · 30-05-2021 9:01pm

I'm losing you. Did you not see the sources provided in the image?
Did you not read their FB post I linked to specially for you? You even quoted it.

Ha Long Bay · 30-05-2021 9:04pm

biko wrote: »

I'm losing you. Did you not see the sources provided in the image?
Did you not read their FB post I linked to specially for you? You even quoted it.

There is nothing in the Facebook post to show what data the infographic is referencing.

All I was asking is something to back it up as I am sure you researched the information before posting here.

BattleCorp · 30-05-2021 9:10pm

Ha Long Bay wrote: »

There is nothing in the Facebook post to show what data the infographic is referencing.

All I was asking is something to back it up as I am sure you researched the information before posting here.

I take it you are asking where did FOP get their data for the infographic? I don't know.

Ha Long Bay · 30-05-2021 9:13pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

I take it you are asking where did FOP get their data for the infographic? I don't know.

Either do I that's why I thought it was reasonable to ask for a source for it.

BattleCorp · 30-05-2021 9:20pm

Ha Long Bay wrote: »

Either do I that's why I thought it was reasonable to ask for a source for it.

The FOP don't have the source of their figures on their web page other than to say that it's Department Data so I'm guessing it's internal data supplied to them by the various police departments.

I haven't found any hard evidence that the figures are correct, especially that Portland one but a Google search does show that murder rates are up significantly in Portland and in the other cities mentioned too.

biko · 30-05-2021 9:21pm

Here is one source, it's for Portland.
You'll just have find the rest yourself or ask FOP.

After slashing its police budget by $16 million last year, Oregon's largest city has seen 20 homicides so far in 2021 -- compared to just one at this same point last year

But members of the city council were either mum or not fully committed so far on whether they’ll back the plan, according to reports.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/portland-mayor-looks-to-re-fund-police-with-2m-request-as-homicides-spike-but-council-support-unclear

Ha Long Bay · 30-05-2021 9:42pm

biko wrote: »

Here is one source, it's for Portland.
You'll just have find the rest yourself or ask FOP.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/portland-mayor-looks-to-re-fund-police-with-2m-request-as-homicides-spike-but-council-support-unclear

Where did you come across the original infographic that you posted?

BattleCorp · 30-05-2021 9:46pm

Ha Long Bay wrote: »

Where did you come across the original infographic that you posted?

What's that got to do with anything?

We know it was posted by the FOP.

Biko posted the FOP FB link that contained the infographic and I posted the FOP web page link that contained the infographic.

Ha Long Bay · 30-05-2021 9:58pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

What's that got to do with anything?

We know it was posted by the FOP.

Biko posted the FOP FB link that contained the infographic and I posted the FOP web page link that contained the infographic.

Why do you feel the need to reply to a direct question to another poster?

BattleCorp · 30-05-2021 10:02pm

Ha Long Bay wrote: »

Why do you feel the need to reply to a direct question to another poster?

It's an open forum. Anybody can answer anybody else.

I'm not trying to be aggressive or anything but I don't see the logic in you asking that question when two different links were posted to the same infographic.

My question regarding the infographic would be whether the data on it is accurate or not. Where a poster first saw it would not really be relevant.

biko · 30-05-2021 10:38pm

Ha Long Bay wrote: »

Where did you come across the original infographic that you posted?

On the FB page I linked to. Why do you ask? Is there something wrong with it? Is the information wrong? Do you have information that says otherwise?

31-05-2021 2:39pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/31/uganda-police-killings-reconstructed-using-mobile-phone-footage?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Will there be protests in the streets? People changing there insta story to black as some bizarre form of protest? Will every celebrity be virtue signaling?

You betcha there won't be!

biko · 31-05-2021 3:03pm

No one really cares about Africa which is a shame as it's a fantastic place with some amazing people and some really bad people.

kildare lad · 31-05-2021 3:06pm

Ha Long Bay wrote: »

There is nothing in the Facebook post to show what data the infographic is referencing.

All I was asking is something to back it up as I am sure you researched the information before posting here.

How about maybe googling the rise in gun violence in US cities yourself , it's not that difficult . There's hundreds of articles on it

1800_Ladladlad · 02-06-2021 11:36am

BLM Activist and School Board Member Faces Accusations of Molesting Over 60 Children

Black Lives Matter activist Tay Anderson has stepped down from his position on the Denver School Board after accusations emerged that he molested over 60 children.

Concerned parent Mary-Katherine Brooks Fleming testified before the Colorado House Judiciary Committee that 62 people asked her for help regarding an unnamed sexual predator. The youngest victim was 14 years old, and the predator’s actions ranged from “unwanted touching” to “violent acts of rape.”

In March, a woman also accused him of sexually assaulting her. This is a man that The Washington Post described as “the face of Denver’s George Floyd protests.”.............

Source

conorhal · 02-06-2021 3:28pm

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

BLM Activist and School Board Member Faces Accusations of Molesting Over 60 Children

In March, a woman also accused him of sexually assaulting her. This is a man that The Washington Post described as “the face of Denver’s George Floyd protests.”.............

Source

https://twitter.com/tayandersonco/status/1272184664447475713

Gee... I wonder why the pedo would possibly want the police defunded and removed from schools and bathrooms to be places men can walk in on women unquestioned? I just can't put my finger on what that possible reason might be...

02-06-2021 3:41pm

conorhal wrote: »

https://twitter.com/tayandersonco/status/1272184664447475713

Gee... I wonder why the pedo would possibly want the police defunded and removed from the schools he sourced his victims from? I just can't put my finger on what that possible reason might be...

White privilege/racism?

Slavery?

Not enough black actors nominated for Oscars?

I'm sure it's one of them