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BLM, or WLM? [MOD WARNING: FIRST POST]
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Yet there is no proof that it's still happening today.AbusesToilets wrote: »Racism is an intrinsic aspect of humanity. Acting like there is any society where it wouldn't be present is ludicrous. There's a fundamental difference between experiencing bigotry on an individual level versus the mechanism of the society being explicitly discriminatory. BLM would have you believe that the US is systemically racist, because racism exists.
There is demonstrably systemic racism. If you want to get scientific about it there's hundreds of articles in research journals with some of the highest impact factors such as the Lancet amongst others.
To deny there is systemic racism is pants on head ignorant on the level of a flat earther or climate change denier.
The evidence is there, it's published, it's peer reviewed and a quick google will pull it up so you can educate yourself.
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This is not a proof, to get me searching for one.
Actually it is. If you want to to not search for it and read up on it then your ignorance of it is on you. However also know that ignorance is no excuse to proclaiming that there is no evidence of something when presented with a trove of said evidence.
Just because you can't be arsed to look and educate yourself doesn't mean there's no evidence.
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That's not an argument, it's simply outsourcing thinking. You should be able to argue these point by yourself, since are you're so convinced of your position.
Any such papers will likely do what they always to, use correlations to reach causations. Many of them will try and convince you that the rate of imprisoned African Americans is proof of racism, yet all that it is actually proof of, is that they commit a high amount of crime.
I'm a person on the internet. So are you. I've referred you to the experts in their field.
It's up to you to take their word for it or not.
If you want my opinion on the matter I could give it but I think the respected scientists in their field and their work that is under the scrutiny of peer review will give an well researched answers that will hold more water.
Unless anyone here has actually done research into systemic racism and published peer reviewed work? If so I'm all ears.
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That's not an argument, it's simply outsourcing thinking. You should be able to argue these point by yourself, since are you're so convinced of your position.
Any such papers will likely do what they always to, use correlations to reach causations. Many of them will try and convince you that the rate of imprisoned African Americans is proof of racism, yet all that it is actually proof of, is that they commit a high amount of crime.
So actual hard figures and statistics to back them up won't cut it for you as proof. Figure that have been peer reviewed.
As a counter point, that hard evidence including figures and statistics or something that's even more irrefutable show that there isn't systemic racism in america
I've provided my evidence of systemic racism.
Show me the evidence that there isn't.
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Since you posted a video of him, he doesn't like the fact people see his colour first and his qualifications second:
http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/a-conversation-with-neil-degrasse-tyson-about-cosmos-race-and-celebrity/
I'm an engineer as well, so we share the standards for proof. Please proceed
(if there is anything in the link you posted, it's behind a paywall)0 -
Since you posted a video of him, he doesn't like the fact people see his colour first and his qualifications second:
http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/a-conversation-with-neil-degrasse-tyson-about-cosmos-race-and-celebrity/
I'm an engineer as well, so we share the standards for proof. Please proceed
(if there is anything in the link you posted, it's behind a paywall)
I've never seen his color first. Anyway, he was opining/philosophizing in the video, requiring no special qualifications (or identity).
eg. the Tranch/Article's section on Juries (note: the whole article is not exclusively about police, it covers criminal justice):Juries and jury selection
Though the Supreme Court made it illegal for prosecutors to exclude prospective jurors because of race in the 1986 case Batson v. Kentucky, that ruling has largely gone unenforced. The New Yorker reported in 2015 that in the approximately 30 years since the ruling, courts have accepted the flimsiest excuses for striking black jurors and that prosecutors have in turn trained subordinates how to strike black jurors without a judicial rebuke. A 2010 report by the Equal Justice Initiative documented cases in which courts upheld prosecutors’ dismissal of jurors because of allegedly race-neutral factors such as affiliation with a historically black college, a son in an interracial marriage, living in a black-majority neighborhood or that a juror “shucked and jived.”
There are no comprehensive national data on the rate at which prosecutors strike black jurors, but there have been quite a few regional studies.- A study of criminal cases from 1983 and 1993 found that prosecutors in Philadelphia removed 52 percent of potential black jurors vs. only 23 percent of nonblack jurors.
- Between 2003 and 2012, prosecutors in Caddo Parish, La. — one of the most aggressive death penalty counties in the country — struck 46 percent of prospective black jurors with preemptory challenges, vs. 15 percent of nonblacks.
- Between 1994 and 2002, Jefferson Parish prosecutors struck 55 percent of blacks, but just 16 percent of whites. Although blacks make up 23 percent of the population, 80 percent of criminal trials had no more than two black jurors in a state where it takes only 10 of 12 juror votes to convict.
- A 2011 study from Michigan State University College of Law found that between 1990 and 2010, state prosecutors struck about 53 percent of black people eligible for juries in criminal cases, vs. about 26 percent of white people. The study’s authors concluded that the chance of this occurring in a race-neutral process was less than 1 in 10 trillion. Even after adjusting for excuses given by prosecutors that tend to correlate with race, the 2-to-1 discrepancy remained. The state legislature had previously passed a law stating that death penalty defendants who could demonstrate racial bias in jury selection could have their sentences changed to life without parole. The legislature later repealed that law.
- In June 2018, American Public Media’s “In the Dark” podcast did painstaking research on the 26-year career of Mississippi District Attorney Doug Evans and found that over the course of his career, Evans’s office struck 50 percent of prospective black jurors, vs. just 11 percent of whites.
- As of 2018, in the 32 years since Batson, the U.S Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit — which includes Mississippi, Texas and Louisiana — has upheld a Batson challenge only twice. That is out of hundreds of challenges.
- A survey of seven death penalty cases in Columbus, Ga., going back to the 1970s found that prosecutors struck 41 of 44 prospective black jurors. Six of the seven trials featured all-white juries.
- In a 2010 study, “mock jurors” were given the same evidence from a fictional robbery case but then shown alternate security camera footage depicting either a light-skinned or dark-skinned suspect. Jurors were more likely to evaluate ambiguous, race-neutral evidence against the dark-skinned suspect as incriminating and more likely to find the dark-skinned suspect guilty.
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Policing and profiling
Misdemeanors, petty crimes and driver’s license suspensions
The drug war
Juries and jury selection
The death penalty
Prosecutors, discretion and plea bargaining
Judges and sentencing
School suspensions and the school-to-prison pipeline
Prison, incarceration and solitary confinement
Bail, pretrial detention, commutations and pardons, gangs and other issues
The dissent — contrarian studies on race and the criminal-justice system
It would be extreme tedium to import all the embedded links. Instead it would be much more expedient for me to save and share for you a copy of the complete webpage (attached) unfortunately the PDF is too large for boards attach limits. You will need to extract the directory before opening the .html or it will appear blank.0 - A study of criminal cases from 1983 and 1993 found that prosecutors in Philadelphia removed 52 percent of potential black jurors vs. only 23 percent of nonblack jurors.
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