BLM, or WLM? [MOD WARNING: FIRST POST]

Akesh

Foxtrol wrote: »

That rant has nothing to do with my question

Try reading a bit harder instead of looking for something to be offended by...

Hand in Your Pants

nullzero wrote: »

People who joined the Islamic state tended to renounce their former citizenship and burned their passports.
Islamic State wasn't some sort of middle Eastern J1 experience. People have every right to be upset about people returning from that situation.

So we get to dump our undesirables in other people's countries without taking responsibility for them but other countries can't do the same in return?

nullzero

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

So we get to dump our undesirables in other people's countries without taking responsibility for them but other countries can't do the same in return?

Honestly? The Wahabism that is the root of what became Islamic State is harbored in Saudi Arabia, if they want to allow that type of ideology to thrive in their country they have the resources to support those people and they should do so. We don't have the resources they possess, so if they want to support that ideology they can deal with the consequences, all the IS people who wanted to go home after it fell apart should have been sent to Saudi Arabia, but of course it will never happen.

darlett

Nothing funny, strange or unusual about people demanding higher standards or ideals for their own country than they do of others. In fact it's the norm. We all know sweatshops produce our clothes, shoes, textiles etc but who can resist cheap ****. If that was happening here, the Boycott would be huge. It's not, so please continue, and let's all ignore the human rights scandal we help fund.

Carfacemandog

nullzero wrote: »

Honestly? The Wahabism that is the root of what became Islamic State is harbored in Saudi Arabia, if they want to allow that type of ideology to thrive in their country they have the resources to support those people and they should do so. We don't have the resources they possess, so if they want to support that ideology they can deal with the consequences, all the IS people who wanted to go home after it fell apart should have been sent to Saudi Arabia, but of course it will never happen.

And when we say "hey, Saudi! Here take this one" and their response is "no, **** off", what do we do then?

nullzero

Carfacemandog wrote: »

And when we say "hey, Saudi! Here take this one" and their response is "no, **** off", what do we do then?

I said it would never happen.

It should but it won't.

Foxtrol

darlett wrote: »

Ok, I'll bite. Nearly 100% white gangland crime in a nearly 100% white country is exactly the sort of gangland crime ethicity you would be expecting to find so you will not recall anyone noting this, unless perhaps to note "Quelle Surprise, that makes sense". You might note the parallels between commentary on the two is that they are all scumbags ripping off our welfare state. (Some would suggest that was totes classist then and now it is racist.) And I'm sure if it was an option we would without any deep regret deport our home grown criminals.

Thanks, I'll quote the bold the next time people come in here screaming about 'black on black' crime in the US.

Biafranlivemat

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Not just black communities in the US - two thirds of all Americans support the protests. Its as overwhelming as our 8th amendment as gay marriage referendums were, despite the beliefs that it would go the other way and backfire entirely in the manner some predicted and as seen in these threads, are still desperately clinging to the lost hopes of.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/07/28/poll-most-americans-support-black-lives-matter-protests/5532345002/
The poll found that 65% of U.S. adults support the protests. Additionally, 53% said the protests "will help" public support for equality and racial justice versus 34% who said they would "hurt" and 13% who said they will "make no difference."

The poll also reports that approximately one in 10 respondents said they had participated in a demonstration in the last month. Among younger respondents, that number jumps to one in four.

In terms of support for the protests, 92% of Black Americans said they support the protests, while 89% of Asian Americans, 70% of Hispanics and 59% of white respondents said they do.

The poll is rubbish. The pollsters either made it up or were lied to.

“The poll also reports that approximately one in 10 respondents said they had participated in a demonstration in the last month. Among younger respondents, that number jumps to one in four.


10% of Americans did not attend a protest in the last month, I have seen these tiny ass protests, it’s always a small BUT very loud group. The biggest protest that I know locally, is one in Boston that had about 10,000 people or about 1.42 % of the city.
Of my 3 collage aged children, they know of only a handful of young people that have gone to a protest.

Foxtrol

Akesh wrote: »

Try reading a bit harder instead of looking for something to be offended by...

The only thing I'm offended by is your inability to answer a question.

Nothing in your response explained why a criminal of one race should be noted by the media etc but the race of another doesn't.

darlett

Foxtrol wrote: »

Thanks, I'll quote the bold the next time people come in here screaming about 'black on black' crime in the US.

Lol, please do

Rodney Bathgate

Foxtrol wrote: »

The only thing I'm offended by is your inability to answer a question.

Nothing in your response explained why a criminal of one race should be noted by the media etc but the race of another doesn't.

So you don’t think the colour of the criminal is relevant?

Foxtrol

Biafranlivemat wrote: »

The poll is rubbish. The pollsters either made it up or were lied to.

“The poll also reports that approximately one in 10 respondents said they had participated in a demonstration in the last month. Among younger respondents, that number jumps to one in four.


10% of Americans did not attend a protest in the last month, I have seen these tiny ass protests, it’s always a small BUT very loud group. The biggest protest that I know locally, is one in Boston that had about 10,000 people or about 1.42 % of the city.
Of my 3 collage aged children, they know of only a handful of young people that have gone to a protest.

Several polls have listed it between 6%-10%. I'm not saying that the numbers per the poll that actually protested are accurate but to downplay the support and numbers protesting is just wrong.

They have a lot of support, on one day there was 550 protests and estimated 550k protesters. Protests are still going on to this day.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/03/us/george-floyd-protests-crowd-size.html

Biafranlivemat

Foxtrol wrote: »

This seems like another incredible misunderstanding of correlation and causation.



Again, completely unproven claims of causation.

Baltimore had 211 homicides in 2014, but since Black Lives Matter’s huge political triumph with the Freddie Gray Riots in April 2015, has had about 500 incremental murders above the baseline in the early 2010s.
That Baltimore’s murder surge started with Black Lives Matter in April 2015 is one of the clearest effects in all the social sciences.


http://mistybeach.com/mark/BaltimoreHomicides.html

Bonniedog

Truth of what people think of BLM/antifa/Democrat "protests" will be seen in November.

Foxtrol

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

So you don’t think the colour of the criminal is relevant?

Not when it has nothing to do with the crime.

More basic feeling is that if they aren't using headlines of 'white gangland crime', I think it is idiotic to cry about them not using headlines of 'black gangland crime'

Foxtrol

Bonniedog wrote: »

Truth of what people think of BLM/antifa/Democrat "protests" will be seen in November.

I didn't know they had taken human form and were on the ballot. Did they lose in 2016 also?? :rolleyes:

weldoninhio

Foxtrol wrote: »

I don't remember the calls for noting the race of those involved in gangland crime in Ireland when it was nearly 100% white criminals... Why is that?

Because we didn’t import the gang land criminals.

Rodney Bathgate

Foxtrol wrote: »

Not when it has nothing to do with the crime.

More basic feeling is that if they aren't using headlines of 'white gangland crime', I think it is idiotic to cry about them not using headlines of 'black gangland crime'

Who decides when race has nothing to do with the crime? Who decided that the Floyd death had anything to do with race?

Bonniedog

The evidence linking the black underclass with violent crime is overwhelming, and not just from States.

Look at the disparity between crime/prison rates and population in Britain or France.

We seem set on creating same environment here/ It is only in its early stages. Only imbeciles who believe that these people have some post colonial affinity with Paddy and Brigid or judge them by some racialist criteria on basis that they are better than the smelly whites think that it will all turn out well.

Foxtrol

Biafranlivemat wrote: »

Baltimore had 211 homicides in 2014, but since Black Lives Matter’s huge political triumph with the Freddie Gray Riots in April 2015, has had about 500 incremental murders above the baseline in the early 2010s.
That Baltimore’s murder surge started with Black Lives Matter in April 2015 is one of the clearest effects in all the social sciences.

http://mistybeach.com/mark/BaltimoreHomicides.html

I'm sure the 'clearest effects in all the social sciences' can therefore actually show causation rather than simple correlation.

Even if you want to claim the unproven causation, it would make much more sense to blame the terrible abuse of power by the police officers that killed the man, the broken system that let them walk free and the resulting distrust with the community that all that caused.

Biafranlivemat

Foxtrol wrote: »

Several polls have listed it between 6%-10%. I'm not saying that the numbers per the poll that actually protested are accurate but to downplay the support and numbers protesting is just wrong.

They have a lot of support, on one day there was 550 protests and estimated 550k protesters. Protests are still going on to this day.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/03/us/george-floyd-protests-crowd-size.html

I'm not downplaying or up playing anything. Just reporting what I see on the ground.

Biafranlivemat

Foxtrol wrote: »

I'm sure the 'clearest effects in all the social sciences' can therefore actually show causation rather than simple correlation.

Even if you want to claim the unproven causation, it would make much more sense to blame the terrible abuse of power by the police officers that killed the man, the broken system that let them walk free and the resulting distrust with the community that all that caused.

So the murder spree in Baltimore is justified or at least understandable or maybe we will blame White people.
Because some white people, can not hold black people responsible for their actions.

Biafranlivemat

Foxtrol wrote: »

Several polls have listed it between 6%-10%. I'm not saying that the numbers per the poll that actually protested are accurate but to downplay the support and numbers protesting is just wrong.

They have a lot of support, on one day there was 550 protests and estimated 550k protesters. Protests are still going on to this day.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/03/us/george-floyd-protests-crowd-size.html

Of those, protests in the article.
How many were peaceful, how much looting and violence took place.

There was a protest last night in Chicago.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1292754310963462145?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1292754310963462145%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.unz.com%2Fisteve%2F
https://nypost.com/2020/08/10/looters-vandals-sweep-through-chicagos-magnificent-mile/
https://dnyuz.com/2020/08/10/chicago-raises-bridges-after-unrest-and-looting-batters-downtown/

Carfacemandog

Biafranlivemat wrote: »

The poll is rubbish. The pollsters either made it up or were lied to.

“The poll also reports that approximately one in 10 respondents said they had participated in a demonstration in the last month. Among younger respondents, that number jumps to one in four.


10% of Americans did not attend a protest in the last month, I have seen these tiny ass protests, it’s always a small BUT very loud group. The biggest protest that I know locally, is one in Boston that had about 10,000 people or about 1.42 % of the city.
Of my 3 collage aged children, they know of only a handful of young people that have gone to a protest.

It doesn't say 10% of all Americans, it says about 10% of adult Americans, worth noting since 25% of America's population are under 18.

Anyway, here's another poll with 6%, from way back in early June before the likes of walls of moms, clergy, the elderly etc had also become involved because of the insane actions of the government and some police. It also shows 67% support for the protests among the public, almost identical to the 65% in the Gallup poll I posted on earlier - https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020/06/12/amid-protests-majorities-across-racial-and-ethnic-groups-express-support-for-the-black-lives-matter-movement/#most-americans-say-theyve-had-conversations-about-race-or-racial-equality-in-the-last-month

This survey also has it at 10% attendance, and 64% support - https://www.kff.org/disparities-policy/report/kff-health-tracking-poll-june-2020/

8.5% attended on this one, while the question of approval is on BLM rather than the protests and shows 61% approval vs 26% disapproval - https://www.civisanalytics.com/blog/data-science/coronavirus-pulse-survey-research/#BLM

These estimates come to 15-26mn, and the protests are still ongoing.

By comparison, an estimated 3.3-5mn attended the Women's March in the USA in 2017, despite it being a one day only event.

The Civil Rights protests in the 60s are estimated to 'only' be in the hundreds of thousands, while the total population of the US was about 60% of what it is today.

The protests this summer are being noted as the biggest in US history by a large distance, and their support is very strong (about as much as SSM and dropping the 8th proved to be in Ireland), while also being widespread across almost every demographic. Perhaps if it had been handled better by authorities it never would have got to this, but it wasn't and the American public very much appear to agree with them continuing.

Tell me how

Bonniedog wrote: »

The evidence linking the black underclass with violent crime is overwhelming, and not just from States.

Look at the disparity between crime/prison rates and population in Britain or France.

We seem set on creating same environment here/ It is only in its early stages. Only imbeciles who believe that these people have some post colonial affinity with Paddy and Brigid or judge them by some racialist criteria on basis that they are better than the smelly whites think that it will all turn out well.

I take it you can see the argument for overcoming redlining practices which occurred in the USA so and ensuring that all communities in Ireland have equal opportunity also before it becomes a major issue.

leedsforever

Foxtrol wrote: »

I'm sure the 'clearest effects in all the social sciences' can therefore actually show causation rather than simple correlation.

Even if you want to claim the unproven causation, it would make much more sense to blame the terrible abuse of power by the police officers that killed the man, the broken system that let them walk free and the resulting distrust with the community that all that caused.

You do realise that all the police officers in the Freddie Gray case were acquitted and if you followed the trials it was apparent that the bould Freddie had a habit of injuring himself in the paddy wagon and claiming police brutality and looking for damages. Seems like he just overdid it the last time. It's all in the transcripts. But don't let the truth get in the way of a good story.

This'll cheer you up though.

https://nationalfile.com/video-looter-yells-i-cant-breathe-while-running-through-store-trying-to-detach-security-tags/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=video-looter-yells-i-cant-breathe-while-running-through-store-trying-to-detach-security-tags

iebamm2580

Seattle police chief resigns-Continued odd happenings in the Pacific Northwest where a 70% white city has hounded its Black police chief out of office as an act of racial justice. Carmen bests force was to be cut by over 100 as part of defunding the police and her salary was to be cut also. You couldn't make this stuff up. Governor inslee refused to to admonish protesters who marched to her residence also.

silverharp

it seems like the white wing of BLM is ruining it for everyone :pac:

kildare lad

Tell me how wrote: »

I take it you can see the argument for overcoming redlining practices which occurred in the USA so and ensuring that all communities in Ireland have equal opportunity also before it becomes a major issue.

I'd say a major issue is the anti social behavior of black youths already in Ireland . How do you explain that ? There parents come from 3rd world countries , get everything handed to them by the state and their children end up being scumbags . I suppose it's the governments fault they burnt out a house in balbriggan in the weekend or 2 black youths smashed a young lad up with a hammer in my town a month ago .

Bonniedog

Tell me how wrote: »

I take it you can see the argument for overcoming redlining practices which occurred in the USA so and ensuring that all communities in Ireland have equal opportunity also before it becomes a major issue.

What "equal opportunity"?

There is no one in this state who does not have access to that in a legal sense. "Equality" in any other sense - as in everyone should have the same money, house etc, etc, is a meaningless fallacy.

Besides, those most inclined to prey on the rest of us - whether native or imports - are "entitled" to all sorts of state assistance because their entire lives are based on being social parasites.

I am not referring to those who are entitled to social supports because of their circumstances including unemployment and so on. They are not in the same category as those who have made a conscious decision to live off the rest of us; either through state support or crime.

We already have our own, so why import more? It makes no sense whatsoever. People who come here to work and behave as decent people do not draw attention to themselves. There are tens of thousands of Poles here. Are there gangs of feral Polish teenagers? Can't say as I've noticed.