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Nobody is tolerant of it. People are aware that it exists. Huge difference. It is not socially or legally appropriate for people to be racist. What more can be done?

There are people on that thread saying 'Sure, it wasn't really racism'. That is tolerating it.

What can be done? Keep hammering home that it is unacceptable and call out every instance of it.

for every incident that was caught on video, there are probably 100 that aren't recorded an thousands which don't get as far as someone shouting in a persons face but there still is behaviour of a racist manner.

Cupatae

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There are people on that thread saying 'Sure, it wasn't really racism'. That is tolerating it.

What can be done? Keep hammering home that it is unacceptable and call out every instance of it.

for every incident that was caught on video, there are probably 100 that aren't recorded an thousands which don't get as far as someone shouting in a persons face but there still is behaviour of a racist manner.

You keep saying GF was killed because of his skin color but you provide no proof, show me where he was killed because he was black... your just injecting racism where there is none...

Now you can argue negligence on the police officers part, but you havent a leg to stand on with this racist bull****, BLM high jacked this mans death and used it for there own gain.

The ironically profit more from racism than anyone else.

Tipperary animal lover

See on twitter in portland lastnight a group of BLM protesters walking around attacking white folk for no reason, bate the sh#te out of a guy and knocked him unconscious while the group of feral ladies beat up he's companion, they mugged and attacked white people for no reason and seemingly not a care in the world, yeah it looks like BLM are the only lives that matter to this group and the funny thing about it there was white people in the middle of it attacking people, i feel sorry for the ordinary American which there is many of every creed that can't/won't speak up incase of been attacked or doxed, its gone from the friendly marches to something i don't agree with.

Cupatae

Tipperary animal lover wrote: »

See on twitter in portland lastnight a group of BLM protesters walking around attacking white folk for no reason, bate the sh#te out of a guy and knocked him unconscious while the group of feral ladies beat up he's companion, they mugged and attacked white people for no reason and seemingly not a care in the world, yeah it looks like BLM are the only lives that matter to this group and the funny thing about it there was white people in the middle of it attacking people, i feel sorry for the ordinary American which there is many of every creed that can't/won't speak up incase of been attacked or doxed, its gone from the friendly marches to something i don't agree with.

Those conveniently arent BLM protesters now :pac:

Its what this movement does, you cant debate it you cant question it, because its ingeniously named you have to conform to there demands or your deemed a racist, im actually impressed with how clever the name is. imagine it "I disagree with Black lives matt...." you d be branded a racist before you finished the sentence

They can do as they please because they have been adjudged hard done by..by the media and masses of sheep... its a license to do as they like.

They are a rabid righteous crowd that ruin peoples lives that disagree with them, they cause jobs to be lost, families to be punish ect for not conforming to there ideology

kildare lad

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/08/portland-marks-81st-consecutive-night-of-protests-sunday-with-demonstration-outside-justice-center.html


Letha Winston, the mother of a 27-year-old man fatally shot by Portland police in 2018, addressed a crowd of demonstrators Sunday night outside the downtown Multnomah County Justice Center, calling the officers who fatally shot her son “cowards.” Joining her was Demetria Hester, an activist and hate crime survivor who advocated defunding the police.


“We need to continue to keep marching. We need to continue to keep chanting. We need to continue to keep running. We need to continue to keep screaming,” said Winston, mother of Patrick Kimmons. “We need to stand tall through it all. Do not ever let anyone discourage you from getting justice.... A change is going to come.”

Winston, speaking Sunday in front of signs on the Justice Center steps that read, “Justice for Patrick Kimmons,” urged the community not to forget the killing of her son.

He was fatally shot after shooting and wounding two other men in a downtown parking lot nearly two years ago. A Multnomah County grand jury found no criminal wrongdoing by the two officers involved.

You couldn't make it up lol....her son shot 2 people and then the cops shot him. Now mum's looking for justice, it looks like the cops did society a favour by killing him. What about the 2 lads he nearly killed . BLM are a joke .

Cupatae

kildare lad wrote: »

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/08/portland-marks-81st-consecutive-night-of-protests-sunday-with-demonstration-outside-justice-center.html


Letha Winston, the mother of a 27-year-old man fatally shot by Portland police in 2018, addressed a crowd of demonstrators Sunday night outside the downtown Multnomah County Justice Center, calling the officers who fatally shot her son “cowards.” Joining her was Demetria Hester, an activist and hate crime survivor who advocated defunding the police.


“We need to continue to keep marching. We need to continue to keep chanting. We need to continue to keep running. We need to continue to keep screaming,” said Winston, mother of Patrick Kimmons. “We need to stand tall through it all. Do not ever let anyone discourage you from getting justice.... A change is going to come.”

Winston, speaking Sunday in front of signs on the Justice Center steps that read, “Justice for Patrick Kimmons,” urged the community not to forget the killing of her son.

He was fatally shot after shooting and wounding two other men in a downtown parking lot nearly two years ago. A Multnomah County grand jury found no criminal wrongdoing by the two officers involved.

You couldn't make it up lol....her son shot 2 people and then the cops shot him. Now mum's looking for justice, it looks like the cops did society a favour by killing him. What about the 2 lads he nearly killed . BLM are a joke .

Can't wait to here the BLM defenders explain this one lol the double standards are unreal lmao

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Cupatae wrote: »

Can't wait to here the BLM defenders explain this one lol the double standards are unreal lmao

First off, I can't find anywhere stating that he was responsible for shooting the two men. Here is one report.

Initial reports state Officer Jeffrey Livingston and Sergeant Garry Britt were on patrol in the area when they heard gunfire. Police said two people were injured in that initial shooting -- they were both taken to the hospital in private cars with serious, but non-life-threatening injuries.

Britt has been involved in at least one other police shooting in 2012.

According to police, the officers arrived at the scene and ultimately fired at Kimmons. No word on his role in the initial incident, or what led up to the officer-involved shooting.

So, it could be that he was the shooter, and that 'justice' was served, (aside from the fact that neither of the other 2 men shot died).

But, it could also be that he was a bystander running to escape the sounds of gunshots and was shot and was killed.

So, do either of you guys know definitively what happened?
Can you see that if it was the latter, then this would be another case which would add to the reasons why BLM protests are happening?


Also, going back to the outrage at the lack of BLM commentary on black violence. Nobody is disputing black violence exists, or that it should be allowed to continue, but that an organisation funded by public money with the specific responsibility for keeping people safe should not be mistreating a sector of society in a significantly differ manner which results in many of them being persecuted or murdered. How is that complicacted?

Every day around Ireland, some people fly-tip. And most of society hate it and disagree it should happen. But there isn't mass uproar, or it isn't on the news every single night. Now imagine if videos emerged of county council trucks fly tipping? Can you see how that would make the news? Can you see how that would lead to calls for resignations, investigations and prosecutions?
Now, if you can push your brain just a little further and imagine if those videos emerged of county council trucks fly-tipping but there was either no investigation initiated or there was a behind closed doors investigation and it was found that actually, the people doing the tipping hadn't misbehaved and wouldn't be disciplined. Or maybe, they would be sent on an environmental training program.

So, if you are still here, same events, but we could expect a much different response if the body doing the illegal behaviour is an official state/governmental body.

Does that explain to you why BLM are focused on police brutality as opposed to all violence?

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Cupatae wrote: »

You keep saying GF was killed because of his skin color but you provide no proof, show me where he was killed because he was black... your just injecting racism where there is none...

Now you can argue negligence on the police officers part, but you havent a leg to stand on with this racist bull****, BLM high jacked this mans death and used it for there own gain.

The ironically profit more from racism than anyone else.

At this point, I am not responding to this to give you an answer, you have shown you have no wish to read and comprehend the point, but for any others who read your post and think if it is not answered, there is merit to it.

Frequent, repeated, consistent instances of excessive or terminal force being used on people who are black and an absence of comparable events for people who are white, (which would still be a problem) indicate that black people are being treated differently.

That is enough to constitute racism, there does not have to be an expressive verbal statement that is categorically racism.

Cupatae

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At this point, I am not responding to this to give you an answer, you have shown you have no wish to read and comprehend the point, but for any others who read your post and think if it is not answered, there is merit to it.

Frequent, repeated, consistent instances of excessive or terminal force being used on people who are black and an absence of comparable events for people who are white, (which would still be a problem) indicate that black people are being treated differently.

That is enough to constitute racism, there does not have to be an expressive verbal statement that is categorically racism.

Do black people encounter police more because they make up 13% of the population but have an extremely disproportionate likely hood of commiting violent crime ? Accounting for over 50% of it..

Or are you suggesting the way there being treated is at random? Cause it comes across that way , that you give black people no accountability for there encounters with law enforcement.

50% of all voilent crime is associated with black people over 50%!! This number is even more grim when you take into account that black women commit nearly none.

Treated different because there actions and responses are different.

stinkypinky

Video doing the rounds online of a man who crashed his car in portland with his wife as a passenger, he got dragged out of the car and tried ringing for help after being pushed to the ground until a thug walked up behind him and kicked him full force in the head, knocking him unconscious. Not recommended viewing but a blatant example of the lawlessness some Democrat politicians are entertaining.

Edit: here's the aftermath - racial slurs galore and BLM slogans. No qualified medics in sight, only a bunch of yobs attending him.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1295249653655511041

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Cupatae wrote: »

Do black people encounter police more because they make up 13% of the population but have an extremely disproportionate likely hood of commiting violent crime ? Accounting for over 50% of it..

Or are you suggesting the way there being treated is at random? Cause it comes across that way , that you give black people no accountability for there encounters with law enforcement.

50% of all voilent crime is associated with black people over 50%!! This number is even more grim when you take into account that black women commit nearly none.

Treated different because there actions and responses are different.

So how did it come to this?

The appraiser who went to Brooklyn in the 1930s to assess Bedford-Stuyvesant for the government summarized the neighborhood’s prospects on a single page. Many brownstones in “obsolescence and poor upkeep.” Clerks, laborers and merchants lived there, about 30 percent of them foreign-born, Jews and Irish mostly.

Also, this: “Colored infiltration a definitely adverse influence on neighborhood desirability.”

The government-sponsored Home Owners’ Loan Corporation drew a line around Bedford-Stuyvesant on a map, colored the area red and gave it a “D,” the worst grade possible, denoting a hazardous place to underwrite mortgages.

The maps became self-fulfilling prophesies, as “hazardous” neighborhoods — “redlined” ones — were starved of investment and deteriorated further in ways that most likely also fed white flight and rising racial segregation.

And to showcase cause and effect

This violence may be manifested by systematic policies that foster disinvestment, by practices that remove jobs from communities, by historical federal and banking practices that denied bank loans to low income communities of color, by current practices that similarly deny mortgage insurance, and by taxation policy that robs communities of the tax revenue for basic services. This violence is not interpersonal, but results in significant harm. This definition of violence is crucial, both as a systemic injustice done
to young men and boys of color and as a cause of interpersonal violence.

Or are you suggesting that the same culture which makes black men inherently violent and to become criminals does not influence black women in the same way?

Brings us back to Breonna Taylor doesn't it.

P.S. I have never suggested black criminals bear no responsibility for their actions. Not even close to suggesting that. I have outlined why many of them end up either actually being criminals, and how most of them are viewed as such and why this is a problem.

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stinkypinky wrote: »

Video doing the rounds online of a man who crashed his car in portland with his wife as a passenger, he got dragged out of the car and tried ringing for help after being pushed to the ground until a thug walked up behind him and kicked him full force in the head, knocking him unconscious. Not recommended viewing but a blatant example of the lawlessness some Democrat politicians are entertaining.

Yeah, Republicans are the party of law and order aren't they.



There was a video doing the rounds from Charlottesville of a car and a protest as well wasn't there. Fine people on both sides of course.

And let me repeat my point that violence/looting is criminal behaviour (haven't seen it being entertained by politicians either actually) but is a fraction of a percent of all protests which are going on)

Should the world cup be banned every time English hooligans throw chairs across a square?

stinkypinky

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Yeah, Republicans are the party of law and order aren't they.

Compared to the tone and statements made by Democrats in recent times, yes they are. It's not Republicans setting court houses on fire or ransacking businesses, or even taking control of entire blocks with zero resistance from local Politicians. Charlottesville was an isolated incident, just like the incident where Republican congressmen were shot - both unfortunate but not indicative of the situation or trend as a whole.

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stinkypinky wrote: »

Compared to the tone and statements made by Democrats in recent times, yes they are. It's not Republicans setting court houses on fire or ransacking businesses, or even taking control of entire blocks with zero resistance from local Politicians. Charlottesville was an isolated incident, just like the incident where Republican congressmen were shot - both unfortunate but not indicative of the situation or trend as a whole.

Republican senators acknowledged Trump had broken the law in trying to engage with a quid pro quo with the Ukranian President.

And then voted to not remove him in office for it.

Trump himself tweeted to tell people to liberate their states against the orders of democratically elected officials in them.

Law and order party? Yeah, sure.

stinkypinky

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Republican senators acknowledged Trump had broken the law in trying to engage with a quid pro quo with the Ukranian President.

And then voted to not remove him in office for it.

Trump himself tweeted to tell people to liberate their states against the orders of democratically elected officials in them.

Law and order party? Yeah, sure.

All that matters is the endorsements, even the NYPD broke tradition and endorsed him.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-democrats-angered-nypd-union-endorses-trump

The New York Police Department (NYPD) union faced blowback from local Democrats after it endorsed President Trump’s reelection amid budget cuts and tensions between police and city lawmakers.

On Friday night, Trump spoke to members of the New York City Police Benevolent Association (PBA), an organization that represents 24,000 officers, at his golf club in Bedminster, N.J. Trump was formally endorsed by the group.

PBA President Pat Lynch said it was the first time he could recall the group ever endorsing a president.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/national-association-of-police-organizations-endorses-president-trump/

The National Association of Police Officers, a lobbying group that says it represents more than 241,000 officers nationwide, endorsed President Trump for a second term on Wednesday. This comes after the association had supported Mr. Trump's challenger, Joe Biden, in the 2008 and 2012 elections.

"Our endorsement recognizes your steadfast and very public support for our men and women on the front lines, especially during this time of unfair and inaccurate opprobrium being directed at our members by so many," the group's president, Michael McHale, wrote in a letter sent to Mr. Trump.

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stinkypinky wrote: »

All that matters is the endorsements, even the NYPD broke tradition and endorsed him.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-democrats-angered-nypd-union-endorses-trump

The New York Police Department (NYPD) union faced blowback from local Democrats after it endorsed President Trump’s reelection amid budget cuts and tensions between police and city lawmakers.

On Friday night, Trump spoke to members of the New York City Police Benevolent Association (PBA), an organization that represents 24,000 officers, at his golf club in Bedminster, N.J. Trump was formally endorsed by the group.

PBA President Pat Lynch said it was the first time he could recall the group ever endorsing a president.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/national-association-of-police-organizations-endorses-president-trump/

The National Association of Police Officers, a lobbying group that says it represents more than 241,000 officers nationwide, endorsed President Trump for a second term on Wednesday. This comes after the association had supported Mr. Trump's challenger, Joe Biden, in the 2008 and 2012 elections.

"Our endorsement recognizes your steadfast and very public support for our men and women on the front lines, especially during this time of unfair and inaccurate opprobrium being directed at our members by so many," the group's president, Michael McHale, wrote in a letter sent to Mr. Trump.

That's hardly surprising, and it is no way indicative of it being based on the premise of law and order being upheld but that they are less like to see change being advocated for if he wins in November.

stinkypinky

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That's hardly surprising, and it is no way indicative of it being based on the premise of law and order being upheld but that they are less like to see change being advocated for if he wins in November.

Whatever you think yourself. I think the most obvious explanation is the correct one in this case.

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stinkypinky wrote: »

Whatever you think yourself. I think the most obvious explanation is the correct one in this case.

Yep, that's why I said it.

Cupatae

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So how did it come to this?





And to showcase cause and effect



Or are you suggesting that the same culture which makes black men inherently violent and to become criminals does not influence black women in the same way?

Brings us back to Breonna Taylor doesn't it.

P.S. I have never suggested black criminals bear no responsibility for their actions. Not even close to suggesting that. I have outlined why many of them end up either actually being criminals, and how most of them are viewed as such and why this is a problem.

You are using black people as a collective that they are all being treated wrong by the police.As are black lives matter they believe the entire police force nation wide doesn't protect them and is bad.

You completely removed all responsibility from the black community and any context of these police encounters , just throw out a few broad statistics of police encounters and away you go all police are bad should be defunded and all black people are being treated differently by them


If you are hoping BLM are gonna be some sort of great leap forward for the black community you are gonna be sadly mistaken , a leaderless group half of em rampaging and rioting and looting around the us and the other half pretending it's not happening lol

But either way the millions keep rolling in in donations to BLM , unaccounted for but ya... Keep up the good fight! PS keep donating.!

stinkypinky

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Yep, that's why I said it.

Which is, they're endorsing Trump because they fear change? If change means defunding of Police departments I think that's it's unreasonable to question that.

Or... are they endorsing him because they feel they've been unfairly maligned by Politicians and the media alike over the actions of a few resulting in low morale across the board.

I'll stick with the second one for now.

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Cupatae wrote: »

You are using black people as a collective that they are all being treated wrong by the police.As are black lives matter they believe the entire police force nation wide doesn't protect them and is bad.

You completely removed all responsibility from the black community and any context of these police encounters , just throw out a few broad statistics of police encounters and away you go all police are bad should be defunded and all black people are being treated differently by them


If you are hoping BLM are gonna be some sort of great leap forward for the black community you are gonna be sadly mistaken , a leaderless group half of em rampaging and rioting and looting around the us and the other half pretending it's not happening lol

But either way the millions keep rolling in in donations to BLM , unaccounted for but ya... Keep up the good fight! PS keep donating.!

No matter how many times you say this, it doesn't make it the case. I have said on several occasions they are responsible for their actions.


All the rest of you post is predicting the future.
Lets' wait and see, history would say I am going to be proven right, the only question is how long will it take.

You still haven't answered the questions in relation to Tamir Rice by the way, or must questions only be answered when you ask them?

DelaneyIn

The news barely even acknowledged a white 5 year old that was executed by his black neighbour. It took backlash on social media for CNN among other major left-leaning outlets to finally write an article about it and even then they kept it far from front-page news.

White lives matter.

Overheal

DelaneyIn wrote: »

The news barely even acknowledged a white 5 year old that was executed by his black neighbour.

It was an 'execution?'

DelaneyIn

For it to stop. Black on white murder is too high.

Cupatae

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No matter how many times you say this, it doesn't make it the case. I have said on several occasions they are responsible for their actions.


All the rest of you post is predicting the future.
Lets' wait and see, history would say I am going to be proven right, the only question is how long will it take.

You still haven't answered the questions in relation to Tamir Rice by the way, or must questions only be answered when you ask them?

Am I not allowed sleep as you d say?

History of what BLM? If anything history says I'm going to be proven right as nothing will change for em, thus how we are still in the situation in 2020 lmao you know the protests about how bad they have it ? The one you support?

Storm in a teacup they are whinging about nothing this time unlike other times when they had legitimate cause they are just playing the race card for self gain and freebies and making issues where there really aren't any , to be honest you are partially right on there lack of educations because most of the stuff they are protesting and blaming is so stupid alot of em must be severely lacking in education.

They need to adapt some Asian culture less crying about circumstance and blaming everyone and everything else and more hard work to better themselves.

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DelaneyIn wrote: »

For it to stop. Black on white murder is too high.

Go start a protest.

Cupatae

Overheal wrote: »

It was an 'execution?'

What are they protesting George floyd for then lmao

Cupatae

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Go start a protest.

You cant you d be voilently attacked as BLM supporters would see this as a counter protest to them and attack them.

And if you defend urself and end up hurting a black person attacking you, you would be instantly racist and theyd want justice for "insert victims name"

Overheal

Cupatae wrote: »

What are they protesting George floyd for then lmao

Breonna Taylor has gotten justice has she?

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Cupatae wrote: »

Am I not allowed sleep as you d say?

History of what BLM? If anything history says I'm going to be proven right as nothing will change for em, thus how we are still in the situation in 2020 lmao you know the protests about how bad they have it ? The one you support?

Storm in a teacup they are whinging about nothing this time unlike other times when they had legitimate cause they are just playing the race card for self gain and freebies and making issues where there really aren't any , to be honest you are partially right on there lack of educations because most of the stuff they are protesting and blaming is so stupid alot of em must be severely lacking in education.

They need to adapt some Asian culture less crying about circumstance and blaming everyone and everything else and more hard work to better themselves.

The fact that you are in a position to think this is a privilege you have which no doubt you don't realise and will freak out when it is pointed out to you.

Still didn't comment on Tamir Rice of course. Not surprising.